| IVOD_ID |
159276 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159276 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-17T12:34:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-17T12:43:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fb1df17b18be514717ad7e46c29134393cb6aeebfddff728efb2b7e68c96004cff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:34:48 - 12:43:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、衛生福利部、教育部、經濟部、台灣電力公司、台灣中油公司就「氣象變異致國內空品惡化，精進預報與跨部會應變作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月17日、19日及20日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席主席請一下彭部長來請部長楊委員好部長好台電就不用上來齁不過我先講一下就是說假如說我們的火力發電造成的 |
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空屋只佔來源的2.3%那我覺得台電必須要有責任為自己的商譽做一定的澄清跟捍衛假如說這個數據是沒有問題的當然不是說2.3% |
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很少因為它是固定污染源所以它影響的區域是比較固定我們當然要盡量的減少可是假如佔總比例的2.3%我認為不應該被放大成這個樣子 |
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台電來的人坐在那邊要認真聽真的我真的覺得不用上台因為我只是跟你們講我剛剛聽到這個數據還蠻還蠻訝異的為什麼為什麼你們占了2.3%可以可以被講成好像台灣所有的汙染都是火力發電造成的 |
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部長 環境部在2月底的時候有舉辦了一個加強空污防治的論壇也邀集了很多國際的學者來討論我們是預計3月底會發布 |
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新公平政策白皮書對不對對我們現在正在努力做啦齁阿可能4月多才會對外公平好沒有關係就是那我我 |
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我請問一下這個白皮書大概會著重在空污防治的哪些面向因為第一個是剛剛講到的就是認知的問題就是說我們發現民眾對於這種污染來源都一直覺得是外面的可是事實上我們自己汽機車各種的污染也蠻多的所以我們要把這個資訊可以掌握 |
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所以我們大概呢第一個是我們希望民眾可以走向健康的方式去走所以我們要提出一些污染改善的這個重點例如說汽機車怎麼做工廠怎麼做還有鄰近的生活污染源怎麼做其實裡面最重要的就是說因為我們未來這個總統也特別規劃了2035年要達到淨零2035要減38加減22030要減28加減2其實這個會減的蠻多的那這個減呢其實也會讓 |
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空氣品質也會變好所以我們也預期說淨零跟這個空品會兩個共立那怎麼去達成所以這個也會討論那另外一個呢是我是覺得空氣品質需要全民一起做而且要一些新的科技那我也坦承說環境部現在掌握的工具我們經由國際上的專家學者包含日本的專家他們這個環境省的這個一些專家來 |
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其實我們發現我們還是有一些不夠的地方我們希望未來這幾年可以逐步的來加強改善所以我們大概會提出一個白皮書我們的願景往那邊走好 那既然是願景我就問一下就是我們在空氣污染防治法裡面本來就有相關空氣污染防治方案定期 |
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定期修正檢討的機制那跟你們現在講的白皮書會不會有跌床駕屋的 |
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因為我們要走到下一個階段第三期那這個就是增強讓我們第三期經由專家學者還有民眾的參與許願能夠得到一個比較好的共識因為我們也發現說我們環境部提的一些政策民眾根本不知道不懂所以就會造成一些缺格那其實我覺得未來推動空屋是需要民眾一起來支持的所以我們希望讓大家能夠知道所以政策白皮書 |
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欸是是願景對然後也希望我們會落實到這個行動的方案然後法律規定的是行動方案對對對我們希望會落地到行動方案當然這裡面呃我們的都是同一個團隊在在做的所以這個這個是匯集大家的意見有這個完成的意見之後才會真的去執行那執行會更有力道好好那欸 |
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部長就是在2月底的論壇裡面呢就是大概有部長有盤點了8項空無減量遭遇的難題啦那我可能今天也沒有辦法一一跟部長做探討我問其中幾點齁就是 |
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氣機車排放的問題也就是移動污染源的問題這個的佔比火力發電大得多對不對我也發現就是台灣推動電動機車推動那麼多年補助那麼多錢可是並沒有得到很好的效果那既然你們把這八點列為 |
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難題部長你有沒有什麼想法就我現在提出來的汽機車排放的問題汽機車排放當然從源頭例如說汽機車把它變成電動化改善空污這是最快的做法不過因為現在的這個補助其實相對的除了我們這個空污抵換方式可以補助之外現在的確回歸到市場機制 |
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可是不讓我插一下話就是說我也不覺得長期補助是一件好事因為我印象沒有記錯的話補助應該也超過10年10年了 非常多錢那補助那麼多錢可是只要補助減少或者是補助停止就沒有人買電動車這個就事實嘛那有沒有什麼方法可以做改善的 |
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這個部分其實是如果是汽機車的話因為電動車的話現在其實相對它的造價已經相對的比較電動機汽車啦比較親民那電動機車有些已經慢慢開始降下來了所以我們希望說從市場面例如說國內幾個電動車的業者能夠加速的來進行不管是機車或是汽車都可以來進行那目前的確是慢慢到一個平衡點相對的價位不會差別太大了 |
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汽車看起來是世界的趨勢,而且它可能好像市場的接受度也慢慢提高汽車的部分我還是要在這邊講,假如電池交換的機制沒有辦法很完善再怎麼推再怎麼補助都沒有辦法 |
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對 不能汽車因為它比較難交換啦 機車的部分那機車的部分沒有 汽車因為它就是國際的趨勢而且大家比較有信賴感所以可能還好現在是機車的部分因為早期確實是電池的品質然後造成很多人心理障礙像我本身就是要怎麼推動電池的統一交換 |
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這個可能要想一下因為目前這兩家他的方式不大一樣而且也沒辦法整合這個就還蠻可惜的因為電動化確實是減少污染最壞的方式那我其他的問題就下一次再問啦好 謝謝委員 謝謝部長 |
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好 谢谢 |