| IVOD_ID |
159274 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159274 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-22-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-17T12:33:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-17T12:42:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fb6f266de1ed5174d1a4d8ee7d728f0553b6aeebfddff728ef0a3ad233f9b498fc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:33:14 - 12:42:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
(3月17日及20日二天一次會)） |
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謝謝主席 一起各位先進有請國歌會的吳主委請主委備質詢 謝謝賴委員好主委你好我有提AI的基本法對於你早上的回應老實講我是不滿意的 |
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我覺得你國科會的主委 這些事情都在做結果主導權拿去事務部 你都點點就點點我們的主席這麼聽你的話 都被搶走了 |
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這部會所長彼此之間競爭的咧AI這麼重要 總統這麼重視你想把他搶過來 這是你地盤被地盤被人家搶走了 點點 裝傻這樣子幹嘛咧我們沒有在搶啦 我們是合作啦合作啊 主導就贏啦 |
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主導就陰啊沒關係啦沒關係喔?沒關係啦,我是你,我睡不著啊事情都在做的對不對?這個東西很奇怪是不是?新郎不是你啊,是不是很奇怪?蛤?你是不是覺得心裡有點欲足啊?要不要拿去?不會啦不會啦Morning Happy喔?Morning Happy也不是這樣說蛤?就是就是 |
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一位長官交代主委你這樣子人家瞧不起啊沒有我們討論的結果的確是覺得事發部因為他這樣要解釋法律事發部只要點免限而已要什麼不就出國國會我們比較瞧得起你對不對你看我們底下的國會的長官心裡都跟我一樣都覺得替你委屈替你憤怒你光是不點免很奇怪 |
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你要不要寫什麼 講一些話代表你心裡的不滿可以嗎蘇發部因為才剛成立沒有多久啦他一定會慢慢的會賣所以你都不敢講而且這個重要的工作你都不敢講這個工作他們全力以赴我本來要很看得起你們的辦法來 我們來看喔 國科會做什麼這有說喔 這最新的資料喔 |
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AI發展指數全球台灣排在一名亞洲四小龍輸給香港 輸給韓國 輸給新加坡我們亞洲四小龍最後一名所以你覺得第一名美國 第二名中國大陸 第三名新加坡 第四名英國 第五名法國South Korea 韓國是第六名 |
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我們 第21名你會覺得很害羞嗎AI發展指數你AI你只要講到AI要多少錢立法院都給你結果是21名你講一些來 講一些感受 |
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我們因為過去的重點都是在包含AI的晶片還有雲端伺服器的設備等等這個製造一直在投資那當然我們現在新的這個做法也把我們AI的應用也放進來所以為了要做應用我們就要當然要加緊我們的那個算力的建置算力也不夠啊也不夠所以我們加緊嘛來來來看你的資料量 |
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柏科會做一個叫Tide對不對一點都不Tide資料量不夠 算力不足你只有一個Tide LSTB只有模型沒有介面你看今天排名牌都這麼後面我問你喔CHAT的GPD你用過沒有CHAT的GPD委員我問你 CHAT的GPD有沒有用過 |
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有沒有用過有用過嘛就很簡單的把它下載App一按就可以了嘛我知道所以我跟委員報告我們很快就會發布這個介面的部分國安中心很努力啦我問你你給我個時間表什麼時候你的Tide可以像ChatGPT一樣可以讓人家按了App把它Download然後放在一個Icon什麼時候你告訴我時間表 |
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很重要 這個題目很重要給我們時間表什麼時候我們公安中心主任主任跟委員報告目前運用現有的預算在開發之前部件算力然後落實主權同時我們會訓練自己的你告訴我時間因為我時間快到時間表什麼時候可以APPAPPAPPAPP什麼時候 |
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我們其實目前的部件的方式我們有API手機可以用 只是說要對全民開放對全民開放 什麼時候對 我們算是要實行部件什麼時候 什麼時候 什麼時候 講時間啊很難訂出一個時間表要訂時間表 來來來 你不給我時間表我就不下去了來 我問你 我問你問這個這個東西國國的官員不負責任 |
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有限度的開放不是全部民眾化我想應該在一兩年內就會一兩年喔 會就發料料了來 我們來看喔派的總共下載16.7萬次兩位長官特別無助的 |
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不是說你棒球打得很好啊 你看好了16.7萬喔 Tide Tide Tide16.7萬Deep SeekDeep SeekApp下載超過1億啊ChatGPT2億啊因為他現在使用必須要比較專業的你看喔 ChatGPT下載App1.6億次Deep Seek1億 |
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369.36 |
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我去年接任以後就希望我們的國防中心要建立這個你不能希望啊 要做給我們看啊現在正在做結果就是這樣 |
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但是真正要讓全民應用一定要產業界進來不是靠政府產業界進來我們期望今年今年就會有跟產業界的合作會有一些應用可以讓全民使用我們今年年底之前所以你修正剛才主任的話主任說兩年你是今年年底可以我會督促就是今年年底各位聽好喔各位看官聽好喔聽好我們這個話是公開諮詢的喔 |
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吳主委承諾年底就有泰的MF |
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給大家去用使用Tide的模型來發展出來相關應用是不是我們就可以下載是不是這樣又可以怎麼樣下載loading年底前啊年底就可以來使用是你的Pi用啊你看16.7萬次啊GPT 1.6萬次1.6億次啊Deep-seq是超過1億這要花多少錢你知道嗎 |
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你那個騙面的啦 人家背後發多少錢你都不知道背後發多少錢 你講一下你講一下啊 你要開罰罪 我就給你支持啊支持A51謝謝你後來撤掉啦 沒有刪那個五億我沒有提案 這個案子不要亂栽贓亂栽贓喔有你有提案 但是後來有撤掉 謝謝你 謝謝你不然那個五億我們今天就沒有辦法提到我們再加一個零給你咧 |
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50億啊?真的喔?可不可以縮短半年? |
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沒有啦 錢從哪裡來 沒有錢我的做法這樣啦主計師告訴我 主計長告訴我要追加錢預算你可以在這裡面給他加一個零啦好 謝謝委員我跟委員報告我們講真的啦這個一定要民間進來所以我今年會努力讓民間也進來來開發這些應用軟體那我們會把這個介面剛剛提到介面把它建置好會跟民間好啦 你主席站起來啦 |
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我再次的提醒你啦喔你來這裡不能這樣子一點企圖心也沒有他有這樣 要單退休的款 不可以這樣你啦 你是主委耶 這麼大的官啊他有把自己小看 地盤窮 手窮 電梯窮那社區的主委我們沒理由 主委好啦好啦好啦好 謝謝賴慈寶委員質詢 |