| IVOD_ID |
159267 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159267 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-17T11:54:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-17T12:04:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fb1b2fc81749f3fe0fad7e46c29134393cb6aeebfddff728ef7cccb990385a62e45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:54:37 - 12:04:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請環境部部長、衛生福利部、教育部、經濟部、台灣電力公司、台灣中油公司就「氣象變異致國內空品惡化，精進預報與跨部會應變作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【3月17日、19日及20日三天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請這個環境部的彭部長請部長賴委員好部長你好部長知道我們台灣的癌網是哪一個癌知道嗎肺癌肺癌對跟你有關係喔環境影響很大多少的而且女生比男生多女生你不抽菸 |
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怎麼會這樣子你剛才一提到有個事情我突然先一個小問題先請教你就是說熱水一開的時候那時候PM2.5很高對 |
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所以是不是有必要在我們的這個什麼頭就是那個敞篷頭裡面要過水加一個過濾的有沒有用啊報告委員那個是濕度讓我們空氣中更小的微粒長大變成PM2.5所以基本上那種我們家裡面多數家裡的空氣品質是好的但是因為濕度的關係讓PM2.5增多但是那個其實對我們身體是沒有危害的 |
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所以我們家不家那個什麼沒有關係沒有用因為我們家裡面本來就比較少所以委員剛剛你提到的說為什麼婦女因為我們家裡面台灣的習慣蒸煮炒炸例如說那樣的生活習慣在家裡面廚房的PM2.5其實也很高的所以其實我們家裡面很多的生活也會造成女性相對的比例會高一點所以你會鼓勵我們的這個婦女同胞少自己煮多點外賣 |
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不是我們的作息的方式例如說煮菜的方式可以轉變因為我們的如果是雜煎的回來看一下世界最大的排碳國是哪幾個國家 |
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呃中國第一名中國第二名美國第三名呃應該是印度印度這三個國而且這兩年印度跟中國大陸啊增加的很多那現在川普退出巴黎協定了請問什麼時候生效呃大概還要一年多的時間一年因為過去就是說一講要退出是三年了哦那大概這一次大概一年所以我們可以大概大家大概差不多 |
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今年底或是到明年初他會退出是不是對但是他的退出因為這個UFCCC他本來就是一個自我的承諾自己的要求那他們過去呢這個拜登總統也提出了美國的新的NDC他要減60%等於是跟2005年相比所以目前未來美國到底怎麼走我們也還在觀察 |
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可是現在一來的話大家都看得到啊這個巴黎協定本來說二兩千兩千一百年現在是二零二五兩千一百年全球plus1.5度以內 |
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這個大概普攻了吧氣候融資中斷了對貧窮國家拜登政府啊對貧窮國家提供一百一十億美金的融資也會中斷這些數據都對吧第一個是1.5度應該是失守了1.5是失守了但可能會到兩度到三度兩度到三度暗熱死 說暗熱 |
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當然對目前依照各個國家的減碳的路徑還是沒有辦法到鎖到一點呼吸那川普的退出協定會不會使這個雪上加霜更plus上去會不會呃應該會讓這個速度哦等於是說減碳的速度慢下來然後第二個是說我們的極端事件會持續的在增加 |
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這個會不會讓某種程度讓電動汽車的市場會稍微差一點以美國現在就是這個樣子現在那個不一樣了Tesla那個是因為很多人現在歐盟其實是恨美國的關稅的問題啊而且恨那個Elon Musk那個是另外一件事所以連帶影響他的銷售量這個影響是可能更大而不是這個原因我認為跟這個原因的影響度沒那麼大 |
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報告委員因為這個其實川普也改變了任何的對於這種環保車輛各種的補助這個也是原因之一啦 |
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所以就更加沒有希望1.5度已經破功了確定破功因為這是全球加起來例如說以中國來說的話他是2060年才要宣布淨零那個印度是2070年那我們什麼時候可以淨零我們現在是20我們當然是原的目標當然是2050年可以要希望達到淨零嘛那我們現在未來定到2035年希望可以減最多38加減2 |
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李遠哲前院長李遠哲院長說2050年絕對不可能淨零啦他這樣講欸你要不要挑戰一下包委員其實這個就是一個理想啦如果我們沒有一個淨零的目標我們現在就不用做了嘛所以就這樣我們一個理想一個目標所以你也同意李遠哲講到2050年達不到淨零啦對台灣來講非常辛苦因為這要別的工具請問美國2050年不能達到淨零 |
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美國有機會喔有機會台灣沒有機會台灣因為我們的這個地小人稠我們沒有那麼多負擔的這個量所以的確算是給你你又不是這樣回答你就說只要我彭某人當部長就有機會不會不會我包圍我2050我都退休了我不會做那麼久 |
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不一定做到那一年啦你前面規劃好後面就照著你路徑走啊不一定一定做在那個時候就是我這幾年認真規劃盤摸摸在規劃這個2050就有機會所以報告委員所以我規劃了203538加減2嘛38 |
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那我是2035喔2035等於是如果努力的話可以將近4成的減碳量未來10年可以減4成那我們的碳費300塊什麼時候開始課 |
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今年1月1號就開始課要不要因為川普這樣改變了不要不會確定喔確定確定不會改變喔對確定你知不知道探權教育現在目前情況怎麼樣探權教育目前只有自願性的減量多少你知道嗎非常的我們目前台灣的非常的還因為他只能自願性的什麼叫可能啦 |
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碳權交易他不是真正說我要買賣不是的是說國外有些的碳權拿來這裡類似股票籌碼一樣的炒作你知道嗎給你看碳權交易多少10萬台幣新台幣啊上一次6000過來4000 |
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那個交易所的時候 董事長來找我 我特別關心這一塊啊我特別關心這一塊 貪錢交易 貪錢交易因為這個又跟我們那個出口到歐盟去的西邊又有關係這個非常重要的一個 全世界都有這個貪錢交易所 結果台灣我說 貪錢交易啊 這怎麼是貪錢交易四千六千 |
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只有四千 你看2025年的1月7號一筆四千 一筆六千2024年12月一筆十萬那等於沒有了騙人的啊我們有探險教育喔喔喔喔 了不起喔這年排放喔都是欺騙社會 |
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包委員不能這樣說因為它是自願性的市場因為它是自願性撿到的市場我例如說我自己要宣告碳中和我可以跟他買所以這個的誘因不夠所以我們現在正在規劃總量管制的排放交易我記得啊你的前面好幾屆前面前面的長官啊那時候叫環保署有個署長叫小毛你知道嗎知道知道嗎沈世宏叫小毛我跟他談了幾次啊他念之再之就是怎麼樣建立我們的碳權交易所 |
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了不起啊 這裡面啊而且是法人才能夠交易喔 對不對對 這個是要重大的排放 其中有好幾筆就是省市總區交易的 |
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沈世宏啊你知道他念茲在茲當過環保署長老實說很了不起啊他一直覺得我們的為什麼貪權交易建立不起來呢因為公法人可以去他就成立個什麼協會聯盟然後就去買賣我們的貪權交易在市場裡面不要讓這個太難看要等於是ZERO啊難看得要死沒有人要推他是志願性的市場他這樣少應該是理所當然的 |
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我問你 你能不能推一推嗎我們現在正在規劃總量管制的排放交易希望從慢慢的從碳費過渡到總量管制的排放交易我不是朋友演會啦 但是我能不能夠拜託你給我們一份簡單的報告說怎麼來讓碳權交易這個市場火落 可以嗎 |
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可以 我們現在正在規劃希望明年下半年可以推出來明年下半年可以做這個事當然這涉及到很多法令的問題法令我們來修啊法令 探險教育何等重要然後你看從沈世宏2008年馬英九執政的時候那時候他當環保署長到現在我每次找他 他就跟我講這個事情每次找他就跟我講這個事情 |
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舉全世界各國的例子我覺得很棒啊我全力支持啊我那時候也是在讀這個探權教育的書啊那時候的讀書會跟省署長就在讀這個東西十幾年前就在讀這個書探權教育探權教育探權教育我在財務會老是盯這個事情看的東西心很酸啊因為這個教育規範誇是要這麼快拍拚一下謝謝委員支持 謝謝謝謝 謝謝賴委員 謝謝部長 |
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谢谢大家 |