| IVOD_ID |
159251 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159251 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-17T10:22:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-17T10:32:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fb2c3f5985528cb67c100c4df18311f68deba1aea0cf818e91d9771c6b83d88dd95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:22:24 - 10:32:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查委員賴士葆等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。二、審查委員高金素梅等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。三、審查委員陳瑩等16人擬具「國假暨文化節日實施條例草案」案。四、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。五、審查委員牛煦庭等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。六、審查委員陳玉珍等16人擬具「中華民國國定紀念日與節日實施法草案」案。七、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。八、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。九、審查委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。十、審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。十一、審查委員楊瓊瓔等31人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十二、審查委員林思銘等20人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十三、審查委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十四、審查委員葉元之等21人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十五、審查委員林倩綺等20人擬具「國家紀念日及節日實施法草案」案。十六、審查委員許智傑等30人擬具「國定紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十七、審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十八、審查委員羅廷瑋等23人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。十九、審查委員洪孟楷等16人擬具「國定假日法草案」案。二十、審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十一、審查委員萬美玲等19人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十二、審查委員黃健豪等16人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十三、審查委員李彥秀等16人擬具「國定紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十四、審查委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十五、審查委員高金素梅等29人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。二十六、委員徐欣瑩等22人擬具「紀念日及節日實施條例草案」案。
【僅詢答及宣讀條文；第二十一及第二十二案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書不予審查；第二十三至第二十六案，如未經院會交付本會審查或未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書不予審查。】） |
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來 我請內政部長跟勞動部次長劉部長 李次長有請稍微好來 不敢齁 來那個部長 其實關於這個放假其實每個會期 每一屆幾乎都有討論過吧 對不對對那為什麼沒有辦法做成決定因為牽扯的太多了 是不是 |
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對 因為加入太多不同的因素不是只有純粹訂定這個節日跟紀念日而已如果純粹訂定節日跟紀念日的話站在內政部的權責方向的話會比較單純但是因為牽涉到哪一個部門或是哪一個企業或是哪一個職業哪一種身份要放假那放假的問題就是一個很大需要大家有不同的爭點 需要有泥鋸共識 |
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對嘛 所以部長其實剛剛那個遊委員在問的時候有說什麼這個放假日要不要增加其實我覺得部長整個內政部目前應該也是持開放的態度但是大家要討論嘛 是的沒錯是不是開放的討論 是開放的大家要討論嘛 因為這牽扯到 |
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其他部會啊對不對 我剛剛也有委員在問啊好啊 要家庭日要什麼 我想請問一下春節連假是不是都很多天是 今年剛過去的滿多天的每年都有好幾天啦 對不對那關於交通運輸業的勞工要不要上班 |
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他們當然都要上班而且要上非常常識的班不管交通運輸業或是其他的服務業或者是警察或者是消防等等這些都是要24小時待班的我們先不用管到警消我們先講一般的對不對你一般的我們就做簡單的出國搭飛機 |
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要不要有空服人員要不要有人服務你飛機才能飛啊對不對那你就要反加你的公車你的這個高鐵要不要有人開這些的勞工是不是有上班啊這個可以請勞動部次長回答 |
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那個先前我報告的時候已經提到我們很多行業他是一般的民眾在放假休息的時候他反而是他的工作的高峰期他必須要輪班來提供服務符合大眾需要對嘛再來這個是大型的如果是小型企業 |
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兩三個人的這種小型企業他們沒有辦法就我必須要講他有辦法說如果沒逢放假日他就放假嗎 |
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這個就像剛剛我講如果是像觀光業、旅宿業甚至運輸業、航空業他們就是一般民眾在休息的時候他就是他服務的高峰他可能就沒有辦法我們先不管啦一個小管制他可能請的服務人員只有兩三個啊對不對那放假日他要不要上班 |
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你也不能說他要不要上班吧對不對但有可能老闆請他來上班啊對不對那他如果來上班當然就要加倍的薪資啊啊不然他就不然他就是這個老闆娘可能就把店關掉了啊沒有人啊對不對那再來大型的企業 |
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我們舉台積電或什麼大型的是不是都三班輪流制基本上都是輪班制的日月輪班他們受的衝擊 |
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可能就比較小一點對不對是不是啊還是一樣衝擊很大你說衝擊還是蠻大的這種日夜輪班制如果他剛好碰到那個要放假的話國定假他一樣因為他排班就要出席那你還是要給他那個工資要加倍的我必須說啦工資加倍像大型企業 |
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他還可以承擔啦還不至於把他逼出走啦但我剛舉的那種小型企業老闆老闆娘可能就我覺得我不要做了啊 |
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對不對你有沒有看到很多那種小管子或什麼的他因為沒有請不到人所以他歇業社長報紙你有沒有常看到有有去年開始就陸續有這種報導有嘛對不對所以你說要不要放假我覺得這可以討論但如果說我現在看到這20幾個版本哇 |
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又要有紀念日又要放假我覺得這樣子沒有好好的討論我真的覺得不行這個會造成混亂所以劉部長我個人是覺得你現在有很多的這一種紀念日其實我們現在就是有紀念沒有放假是不是是的有相當多是屬於有紀念沒放假的 |
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所以我們在討論這一個我們要不要修法的這個問題上我覺得我們應該要先確定一個紀念日可能很多有兩種一種是全國或是因為風俗民情的那種紀念日那種是全國全台灣一致的那一種可能是對特定的可能軍人節警察節什麼的這部分人的是不是應該要先把它分成這兩種 |
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是 在我們的實施辦法 我們自己的實施法則裡面就是提到是這一方面的沒有錯所以相當多您所提到的什麼軍人節 警察節 消防節或是甚至兵役節等等這些它其實就是有紀念 但是沒有放假對嘛 我們要先分成這樣嘛 這一個那再來 |
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以現行的法律條文的制度有沒有需要修法沒有修法要不要去增加放假或什麼的其實你們本來就有紀念日的放假辦法了吧 |
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本来就有但是我们现在我跟委员报告一下委员非常的清楚其实我们在处理有关于放假与否都是以行政院人事总处在前一年度的年底的时候对外公布让很多公部门或是很多其他的大型企业部门可以跟着这样子的放假的脚步所以我们认为这样比较有弹性包括补班 |
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不不不部長你說的那個是私刑的現行的制度現行他只是說規定放假幾天什麼我的意思是說以如果我們剛剛講的紀念日分兩種那種其實要不要其實這個在內政部裡面的辦法裡面就可以處理這個問題是的對不對對 |
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不用修法你們就可以處理了吧對嘛這是一個嘛所以我們應該要聚焦到說你的辦法目前就可以處理這一個問題對不對部長是所以才會衍生第二個要不要放假要怎麼樣的問題吧對不對是 |
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是的對不對那個放假什麼的那是第二個問題所以我在說我們今天在討論這個法律我必須要說大家要及時廣義啦不是不能討論但急不得因為它牽扯得太廣了 |
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我們應該把它分成幾個區塊來討論然後牽扯那麼多部會一個一個來處理我覺得這樣子才是一個負責任的做法我不知道部長跟次長你們的看法 |
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我先來回答啦剛剛那個委員召委所提到的部分在我們現行的紀念日跟節日實施辦法裡面的第五條之二他就有特別提到說規定紀念日跟節日以外具特殊意義有慶祝或舉辦活動必要之日由目的事業主管機關會商有關機關訂定實施之 |
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也就是說現行的這個實施辦法呢其實就已經可以解決現在大家所關心的這個不同的議題那如果把它變成是一個法律案的話我們有可能每一年不同的放假那每一年都要回到立法院再修一次法律那這個會增加這個法律上適用的一個彈性程度對對好 那次長你簡單說 |
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勞動部主張就是說必須要通盤檢討各行各業的餘營模式還有工作狀況那還有我們特別關心勞工的期待跟需求讓勞工能夠更好的休息對啦所以啦其實以現有的辦法也可以解決然後各部會其實也都持開放的態度要來解決這個問題只是我們應該要多討論那其實啦有一個重點啦 |
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今年的放假人事行政總局他都已經公布了啦你要也很難去修改去增加啦所以我們還有半年的時間可以好好來討論這個問題明年把它解決啦我覺得這才是我們應該要去解決的方案那我們也不一定說要拖到半年但是就是時間充裕我認為應該要多多的討論這因為畢竟影響各行各業太多了啦好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝張宏祿委員 休息三分鐘 |