| IVOD_ID |
159237 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159237 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-17T10:59:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-17T11:09:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fb395b12177e409c8afc70f51a359b58cfeba1aea0cf818e91f08deeda106faf485ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:59:21 - 11:09:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好 感謝主席 本席邀請我們工程會陳主委好 陳主委委員長主委好 各位 早上大概有有些委員也在問你那個預算被凍結的事情 |
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現在我查一下我們工程會主要的預算都是被凍結案然後他當時的凍結的條件是你要凍資30%業務費你要花掉30%你才能送解凍案對不對那剛有人說我們工程會為什麼不先送解凍 |
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看起來好像你不能送按照這個質疑上按照大院的主決議審查預算的主決議是動資超過30%然後就要才可以來申請解凍但是解凍是在院會我知道他這個當時的審議結果是要送院會才能解凍 |
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我講不要說我們交委會有很多都是第一屆的立委就算資深的立委我在立法院十幾年了我從來沒有看過預算解凍要送院會送院會是要解凍程序上前第一個你要花掉30%你才能送解凍案你什麼時候可以花掉30% |
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你可以拿捏嗎就是30%以後我們也會尊重大院的決議我們一定會提出提出就是說第一個程序上我們還不清楚大院要怎麼處理院會同意的這個解凍的程序第二個 |
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會不會同意使用事實上是不知道因為如果院會不像貴委員會一樣那麼好溝通那我們在委員會裡面因為幾個會期都在一起比較了解我們的業務但大院那邊院會來惡毒處理解凍案是沒有這種經驗所以不知道程序上要花多久根本沒有發生過這種事情 |
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那你現在照理講預算案其實就是法律案啦程序上就算解凍第一個齁時間你不能現在就馬上送啦對不對所以工程會不能送因為你必須要業務費動資30%以後你才能送那程序上你是應該一樣要送到委員會來委員會要先審過嘛但是審過不算就解凍齁大概幾乎等於法案的一睹 |
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就一讀以後送到委員會來一樣委員會審完然後再送院會那你這個解凍案是算二讀嗎 |
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你這個解凍案應該就不是報告案對 按照大院的決議 院會那應該是二讀照在野黨的那個 看起來那個精神就是審議案對 就是審議案那你審議案 院會要給你解凍院會必須要院長專門召開一個預算的解凍 解凍院會 |
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因為你不能自己去嘛因為行政院長要因為議長還可以讓院長才能帶部會首長到院會去啦對就是部長是不能在院會啦你要議長幫你找嘛應該是行政院長才有如果能夠排到讓你們各部會去解凍那個大概就是曹偉先生啦因為議長要擺嘛 |
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那你知道各部會有多少需要到院會去解凍的嗎不少工程會是一但還有其他部會還有你要看院會的那個時程啦你有沒有時間排啦因為你現在是總諮詢嘛總諮詢大概到4月下旬才會結束啦結束以後我們還有一些法案 |
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意思是說 除非啦 朝野協商啦大家能夠同意啦 預算解凍案優先啦這個大概要看朝野的氣氛啦他如果沒跟你排 你是不是要解凍你連解凍的機會也沒有 對不對而且看起來啊 那個是必須要以審議案的狀況進行那就是要排行政院長到會啦 |
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行政省到院會來率領這些部會就解凍案來讓立法院的院會進行審議而且要審議通過喔對我們的理解是這樣子其實這種結論我覺得這是根本亂來反其道而行因為你都剝削了我們委員會審查的權利 |
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你預算凍結刪除其實最重要是委員會我們整個會期每天要報告或諮詢為什麼委員會中心要出來大家要強調這一點如果彭委員會的立委相較上一定比較熟悉了解業務是不是這樣所以你要刪要凍其實應該是委員會相對的你要解凍也一樣在委員會 |
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所以能不能同意解凍案應該是委員會的權利嘛他有提議院會對不對我們的副院長也坐在下面嘛我從來沒碰過預算解凍案送院會去決定的那委員會要怎麼做如果你解凍案送到我們委員會來我們審查的結論假設我們都同意解凍也沒有用啦 |
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因為委員會沒有權力決定嘛 還要送院會去做最後的一個裁決嘛這樣委員會我們就心煩肚子餓了我們就沒有權力決定嘛你院會一百多個立委 大家會了解你工程會意義上幹什麼嗎一定是本委員會的委員會才知道嘛 |
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所以這個絕對啊 第一個我覺得時程上你要先花掉30%你才能送30%沒花 花不夠 你也不能上解凍案 對不對就是你上解凍案 你也要拜託我們召委你我召委 這要給他善意 你就要拜託拜託召委 趕快給我們擺解凍案的委員會審查我們如果審查了 也不遵守 因為你要再送院會 |
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那還要看院會 當然要朝野生生看那時候的氣氛啦拜託韓院長 看什麼時候可以把我們的解凍案排進去所以 這個會不會影響業務 我看這這要到五月五月六月了那當然會影響業務嘛五月底就馬上又要休會啦然後又要休會了 那時候 而且這當中之間要審查的法律案不知道有多少啦 |
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對不對 你總不能把任何時間全部都浪費在解凍案這根本就浪費時間嘛 你應該是讓委員會來決定嘛那就你的報告啦 就我們主委的報告啦你現在預算這些被凍結大概有幾項事項會受到影響嘛 |
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你自己說的 就是工程的一些裁定像你去年 我看你的報告裡面 我們來看一下爭議採購案件有786件你開會有開了1034個會議 調解會議47次就是標不出去的流標專案會議有8次 有8個案 |
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另外還有採購諸行會六個案你這些大概都是必須要你業務你必須要做這是你的本業你的專業啦每個月大概受以八十件禮業爭議調解你現在要怎麼開業務會嘛要怎麼開業務會啊 |
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你說會不會影響 其實影響到的是一些廠商啦 民間廠商跟業主就是公部門有糾紛的啦這大部分都在這啦 生涯不是人民的權利嘛所以我們也希望啦 就這個部分啦 能夠 |
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大家能夠有一個可以解決了那以目前的草原分委來看喔我看你要慢慢等啦我也不知道什麼時候可以才可以排到你們的所謂預算案可以送到院會去解凍喔沒有你要先花掉30%咧那你們要趕快開開啊為了救後面的70%那前面30%趕快亂花啊不然你怎麼知道你當時可以花掉30%是不是這樣 |
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那就你目前政協會影響的這種 這種你的業務啊就你所報告的啦 那你怎麼處理 |
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金職講的部分我們希望能夠比較明確能夠盡速來解凍啦這個才能夠辦法著手進行啦那其他重大公件的查核啦管控啦 督導啦那我們就還是按照過去的技師證照 核發技師證照因為凍結一半嘛 只能用一半的錢嘛那如果說一半用完了大概就停擺了啦 |
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但是金字獎比較特殊金字獎不能說做到哪裡付到哪裡它就是整個案而且牽涉到那麼多廠商要報名所以是要很明確說今年有這個錢要辦我們辦這個金字獎不能說要等到大院同意了之後 |
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我們再來複習 廠商為什麼要爭取金職獎 爭取到對他們有什麼好處 因為它是一個品質的指標嘛 保證 那也是他們廠商的榮譽啦那對他們來講 得到金職獎呢 那連續幾年之後 那麼他這個將來在承攬其他工程啦 評選的時候就會加分 保固金啊 理業等等都可以減免 對廠商來講是一個無上的榮耀好 謝謝主委喔 謝謝主席喔好 謝謝我們 |