| IVOD_ID |
159220 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159220 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-17T10:13:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-17T10:27:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fb853af9d55b7e968cfc70f51a359b58cfce1d26ba49c773cda3401a63784263cc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
魯明哲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:13:04 - 10:27:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院公共工程委員會主任委員陳金德列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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好謝謝主席有請工程會陳主委好陳主委委員長陳主委這個再跟你確認一下理性確認一下我們那個金子獎的問題啊那個你們是主計還是會計啊這個金子獎在公共工程的一個管理業務嘛這個 |
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公共工程管理業務的項下裡面的一個內容裡面可能有十幾二十個五十個內容總共編入多少我來跟委員報告我目前被刪除的一個煤氣費用220萬是只針對公共工程在查核的時候做記錄然後辦理金職獎 |
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這項業務220萬可能被誤殺了啦就是說我們不是做其他媒體宣傳只是做金職獎這件事情而已220萬完全刪除所以這樣子我們沒辦法去去做做宣傳做廣告或替得獎的人做一些紀錄所以這個金職獎因為這220萬會會失去很多啦你那3589萬刪除多少來另外不是 |
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凍結的是凍結50%我知道嘛3589萬你們是在這個公共工程管理業務這個科目我們先講科目啊會計的科目沒有一個科目叫做金子獎啦他的科目就是公共工程管理業務這一個科目裡面你們要做很多事其中有一些是金子獎請問一下3589萬刪除多少 |
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山洞多少沒關係有山有洞我知道嘛3589萬山竹多少因為金職獎在金職獎在工程會的在工程公管處的預算裡面所以公管處的預算裡面1517萬凍結一半的話就只剩下758萬啦那這個不是金職獎業務而已整個工程管理處相關的業務都需要這個錢所以我們金職獎需要1060萬 |
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1060萬如果說整個公管處凍結下來只剩下758萬可以用包括金職獎以及其他業務的話根本無法辦理金職獎好 |
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現在你親自講的一個部分因為本身你們的業務都包含在整個的一個科目裡面那本身科目的話當然有統三有三減有凍結這個部分我們都知道嘛那我們覺得因為你本身的一個大的一個科目下面如果向下本身如果剩下的部分你可以先去做處理的還是先去做前期的處理那比較稍微不及的其他的業務 |
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放在後面等解凍再來這是我給你的建議啦好不好看看能不能能夠達到這個讓這個事情也可以去做來我想這個我先要謝謝這個陳主委啊我看你這個到機場公司啊對於我們三航廈甚至我們三跑道未來一個發展你是做蠻多關注的我特別有注意到 |
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那確實在今年過年的時候特別覺得恐怖啊要你知道出國回國那個一航廈二航廈這個人人潮擠爆了他吞吐量確實按照疫情之前當時覺得未來 |
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出入境的人越來越多的時候我們現在兩個行下吞吐量是根本不夠的服務品質是絕對不夠的現在已經看到是非常非常嚴重那三行下當時預計的吞吐量就覺得非常非常重要我們看到下表2019年當年出入境跟過境的人數有4869萬你看到最後 |
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2024就是去年快要差不多九成多了總共也這個使用到機場的也有4492萬那我這樣請問一下就第一個問題目前T3航廈 |
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它的一個進度56.33因為我們希望是要完工的整個進度你是定在明年度的11月可是我們看到很多的一個配合的一個相關的一些工程當然有一些要硬體完成它可以進場的那當然最後一個包括PMS這個部分你對於整體能夠如期如質完工的目前就你深入的了解你來做一個說明好嗎 |
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謝謝委員的關心 他幾個部分有些停機坪已經可以完工先提供使用 停機坪那接下來就是被登記廊廳 已慢了一些所以我們要求今年9月15一定要完成9月15一定要馬上能夠 |
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使用了那接下來就是那個主體跟藍燈機廊廳所以整個希望在116年能夠完工那目前呢陶磯公司也全力在推進啦北燈機廊廳大概在中休了在中休休未所以希望今年9月15能夠完成啟用但目前的進度是這樣整個通通完成可能要等到116年 |
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好那因為這幾天我也跟機場公司有了解北登基廊廳預計剛剛我去年問你的時候原本的目標是在今年希望年中啊能夠弄好那你剛才講慢了一點那但是我是覺得要有把握一點好不好就是說因為旅客這麼多要進去相關的一些設施要請淘機公司淘機公司在工程真的要弄好不要弄一個 |
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辦成品這樣 一進去人家用罵得亂七八糟的這個部分我是希望以工程會立場要特別關注提醒淘汰公司好不好 |
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那我接下來要講的最後一個就PMS那當然這個也要這個因為你的介入不是介入去關注跟淘擠公司最後的一個想法他是業主因為我們看到三航廈PMS這樣的一個航廈電巴的一個情況那我們之前談過我們就不說了就是在得標在112年12月25號得標之後 |
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一路來的新歷路程到了去年解約那現在呢最新的3月11號又開始辦招標說明會了方式還是航廈電吧那個你指導他們啦因為工程類採購法的一個部分啦過去一定有些問題所以我有兩個問題第一個 |
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解約了我看誰向誰要錢還不知道那個部分多少錢我這邊不預判那現在再招標呢比原本的招標17億多變18億可能因為物價調整那你看看你覺得這一次有沒有發生這樣的一個事情有沒有人要人應該要負責 |
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或說警告處分不是說下台啦都沒有人要負責就是說很虛幻的一件事就是哇 這個大問題然後發覺沒有能力我們找到 |
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沒有能力的人然後又要解約然後可能還要吵來吵去誰賠誰錢還不知道然後又重新加了一億再招標這中間到底你們在檢討的過程沒有人要負責嗎跟委員報告的確委員的見解相當正確是因為一個採購的 |
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方式導致整個國家重大的工程延宕所以我們會請交通部就前期的這個採購啊那麼他的檢討報告送到工程會或者是我們相關會來瞭解會請交通部來完成這個調查報告好我希望趕快做那再來是 |
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我在去年9月30號特別有跟你討論這些事情也不光是我好幾位委員都在討論當時發生的這個問題航廈電吧發生的一些問題那我們討論到其中有一點你給我回答我說奇怪為什麼有這麼多能力可能不太夠的我們那時候講說要渣男廠商我不知道正不正確為什麼他可以一直在這邊 |
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活得很厲害什麼都可以飆到讓後面都做不成那時候你也說我們希望能夠建置這些廠商的履歷讓優秀廠商跟不好的廠商大家一看就清楚畢竟發報單位從中央政府到地方政府到鄉鎮事工所 |
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你知道嗎大家我哪知道哪家廠商是好還是壞所以這時候有相關的有沒有統一的一個系統建置你說這個履歷其實我蠻期待的但是好像現在只能對工程類這些服務的又完全沒辦法是什麼情況要不要說明一下請處長來跟你說明另外我補充一點就是 |
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我們將來這個有不管是承包商或者其他的分包商我們將來這個在101條款的時候啊那麼也會重新修正就能夠希望一方面符合比例原則一方面也關注的到有些廠商這個得標A然後換個名字又去標B那這個我們會透過法制來防度這樣的現象那至於廠商的部分我想請處長來說明 |
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目前我們的履歷是針對施工廠商那施工廠商假設有牽涉到他建造或設計的部分我們會在履歷裡面去呈現那不過單獨針對勞務類的設計的或是設計類的技術性的公司我們現在沒有去把他納進來這個部分假設要全面去管理我們系統我們可以去做擴充以上 |
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不過我覺得還是要思考啦因為畢竟一個工程或者說一個先進的一個設施能不能做成功你知道嗎每一顆螺絲如果是不行都是最後沒辦法成功啦所以我覺得像舉個例子像李立李立 |
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他因為這次我看到我問的淘汰公司你們又上網了又重新了那到底有什麼在標案中間有什麼精進的一個條件嗎他最主要裡面寫的必須要有相當經驗或實績者我覺得這很好還刮乎國外業績均可記錄啦可是我蠻害怕的我就想這個是處長嗎處長你來回答一下好不好就是如果李莉再來投標再來聯合投標可不可以啊 |
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我跟委員報我判斷履歷之前所謂的時機只是一個測試階段他並沒有上路的時機所以這個時機的認定要請台積公司務必慎重 |
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好啦 我直接說啦 我不要講說光是李立啦像類似這樣的公司甚至在國防領域 聽過很多很奇怪的但是就李立來講 他最早進入台灣能夠得標包括鐵道局或者幾個地方政府的自駕車最主要來源他都說他是美國佛羅里達州傑克遜威爾士自駕 |
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這個系統因為哇那個弄得很大所以這個履歷到時候還在台灣還得獎經濟部還要頒他頒獎所以我在講說這個部分我覺得關卡還是蠻重要的誰來把關最後一個建議因為在上次的評審委員在挑選的過程中我們發覺其實每一個領域差一點還差蠻多的但是每一個領域可能都有都會的地方所以在這中間 |
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這個這個航廈電吧的部分你找了很多領域當然機場公司一定要電力的有但是你主要以軌道工程捷運工程其實這個領域不太是有一些不太一樣我真的是希望你們建議啊那你不能干預嘛你建議啊你們下次是不是再對於航廈還是電吧哦自駕電吧這種概念啊 |
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804.164 |
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能不能要去找一下真正在這個領域我覺得他比較專業的人一定有 為什麼呢因為交通部跟我們這個車安中心在去年度就已經有研擬出自駕公車實驗運行安全的指引的草案我相信這個東西一定有專家在後面幫交通部跟車安中心把這個研究出來 |
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所以我是希望真的能夠在這麼多名單中間當然有軌道的要自駕電巴這些的實務的系統的專家學者我們真的希望也你這邊能不能建議那個淘汰公司也能夠一併納入讓能夠未來能夠真正的專業投入在審查過程中 |
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848.698 |
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建立淘擠公司就評審委員審查委員的組成啊那務必能夠多元那包括剛才委員所關注的問題我們會跟淘擠公司來建議還有什麼密集要講的啊委員報告就是說那個如果淘擠公司他組成這個評審委員他要先公開廠商是可以建議當然我們也可以給他一些建議啦 |
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858.263 |
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那建議啦你這個自駕電吧已經出了一次問題了還是自駕電吧這一系列找幾個專家我覺得這樣比較好好謝謝好謝謝我們魯明哲 |