IVOD_ID |
159206 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159206 |
日期 |
2025-03-17 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-3 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
3 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-03-17T09:50:35+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-03-17T10:00:58+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:10:23 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/597499b2503050fbde1cf2ede5dd0a97871e4a585984f629ce1d26ba49c773cd7fa58c9f4dc8bf975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
委員發言時間 |
09:50:35 - 10:00:58 |
會議時間 |
2025-03-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議(事由:邀請僑務委員會委員長徐佳青報告業務概況,並備質詢。) |
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好 謝謝主席 麻煩委員長何秀文委員長 謝謝王委員長安委員長 我在開始詢答之前我追蹤一下一個事情的進度是我跟沈伯陽委員我們曾經去馬來西亞的台灣學校回來之後我在這邊也質詢過我們同樣在海外我們台灣人的子弟在那邊讀台灣學校用台灣的課綱 用台灣的教材 |
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結果到中國的學校他們每個學期好像補助到三萬多每學年補助三萬多塊的樣子結果我們在東南亞其他的地方的類似這樣的台灣學校每個學年才一萬塊錢這個其實是非常不公平我們要強調這些是我們在海外的台灣子弟他們讀完中學之後會回台灣讀大學像馬來西亞的台灣學校辦得不錯甚至於讓馬來西亞國同意有八個國家的橋外生 |
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馬來西亞的僑外生可以去讀我們在馬來西亞的台灣學校有點像在台灣的美國學校他們已經變國際學校的規模就很多人想要去讀那一間可是我們的台灣也許是台商的子女或者是我們當地台僑的子弟那他的學費補助是一萬塊目前好像是一學年五千是教育部補助的對教育部補助那我上次質詢說我說這個不對何況在東南亞好像有七家台灣學校 |
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目前四家台灣學校他們用的是完全我們台灣的課堂完全用台灣的進度他的課本也不會被審查在中華人民共和國的台灣學校課本會用那個黑筆把中華民國塗掉把東西塗掉總統塗掉把一些有關國家代表性的東西都塗掉 |
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他還會審查你的課本課綱也沒有完全的執行這兩個差異就那一邊一學年三萬多塊錢的補助這邊一學年一萬塊錢的補助這個不僅是不公平而且有點像在懲罰照規矩來的而且這些人回到台灣讀書他們的相關的人會來這邊消費等等所以這個事情我從上次去馬來西亞看了我們的喬教中心我們的台灣學校回來質詢之後有沒有新的進度 |
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跟委員報告我們當然有把這個事情跟教育部說明那因為預算的這個編列上是在教育部的這個全署範圍內那事實上我們持續的對包括越南胡志明市那個對泰國的泰國沒有馬來西亞的吉隆坡 |
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還有在雅加達 印尼雅加達跟釋水總共這四個這個台灣學校呢確實是當時設立的時候是一半教育部一半僑委會來出資協助他們設立那我們也提供各種的目前教育部的態度是怎麼樣我沒有要求把中國那塊降下來嘛 |
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我們也無法要求中國的不是 那一塊是我們補助的喔是我們補助我們的台籍學生的學雜費補助嘛我現在只是說我們應該是一視同仁在東南亞的台灣孩子跟在中國的台灣孩子我們應該要公平嘛現在差了三倍啊 |
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我的了解是這一塊可能還是要看教育部自己的執行預算但是我們有跟他們表達過可能要強烈表達啦那這就是所謂的跨部會的情形那我也會尋管到看透過鄭麗君副院長或相關情形我就真的要解決 |
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這不解決我認為對在海外努力幫台灣辦學的人我覺得不公允好第二個我要請教最近有個題目說台灣會變學工之島這個題目很嚇人因為學工之島其實我們就違反聯合國很多東西那我們這邊也關注過 |
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我們鼓勵外國的人來台灣讀書僑生來台灣讀書當然不能變成打黑工甚至於更慘變奴工護照被扣著之前發生過嘛那樣的奴工化其實是違反國際的所有的普世法則聯合國的公約所以 |
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我們看我們現在3加4的方案3年就高中嘛4年就大學嘛我們對於就讀高中這個3有沒有年齡的限制還是說他只有國中學歷他就讀3還是說我要限18歲以下委員我們現在是這樣子我們3加4主要的生源國來自於東協國家主要7個那這7個國家呢各自的法規有些不一樣像越南 |
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泰國馬來西亞柬埔寨他們就沒有規範到那麼嚴格說未成年者不得出國可是在菲律賓跟印尼他們對於未成年者要出國就設定不是說不能出國就設定比較嚴的門檻你很誤會我的意思我們這一塊我知道他在讀我們的高中 |
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會不會有成年人基本上我們現在是這樣子年齡就是三加四的部分是從16歲到22歲都可以都可以所以他可以讀高中也可以讀大學對所以我們可能會發現一個21歲的在台灣讀高中 |
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是的沒有錯沒有錯確實你不覺得這怪怪的嗎我們有算過這個lifestyle就是說因為他們的這個學制跟他們學習的內容可能跟我們台灣相對有一些落後的部分我們這個預算是花我們國家的是所以你要站在說我們鼓勵海外的這些僑生來台灣讀書我當然樂見而且有補助 |
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委員我們其實已經限縮了之前的門檻更寬所以我們現在把它縮到說16歲到22歲縮小就代表問題不用檢討所以我剛才講的像你們提供的資料3加4畢業率不到4成 |
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跟委員報告那時候前幾年我們確實在103年、104年、105年那幾年當中開始試辦這個計畫的時候沒有任何配套措施然後當時是試辦計畫所以人數也很少那所以流失率也就很高那那一段時間從他們不讀了就回他們母國對沒錯他只要一不讀書 |
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他馬上就會取消他的簽證他就馬上離開畢業率不到四成畢業率不到四成不是馬上聯想到他就不讀了有可能我高中三年當作六年來讀啊不可能不可能原幣不行嗎不行不行在我們的計畫不行不行不行在我們的計畫裡面在我們這個三加四不行我們這個跟我們這個跟一般的這個一般生的狀況是不一樣所以他必須按照這個進度來他是學衛生嗎 |
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他是他有學位但是他必須按照我們三加四的時間他甚至連休學都不可以喔他一休學就馬上休學就回國了請假也不行我說三年制他必須三年念完他必須三年不能延避一年不可以 |
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大學的時候可以,但是他延畢的時候他不能實習了延畢的話你們補助也沒有了嗎?沒有了,而且跟委員報告,其實我們3加4的補助只有補助在前三年後面都沒有補助了,所以大學端的部分,那個是他自己自付學費的所以他如果要拖得久一點,我也沒意見那現在畢業率不到四成其實很低 |
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然後我就是跟委員講其實雖然那時候不到四成可是真的有讀完七年的人他留台率很高 |
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四成就是這有十個來畢業的有三個三個但是這三個都留下來了兩個半或三個會留下來對都留下來了在研究這塊在研究那六個嘛是是對不對那六個就是你不講三個通通留那是另外一件事有人就是因為我研究了前面為什麼他要留師所以我盡量去改善畢業率不到四成這個很低很低確實很低是我們台灣在我們的教育裡面不是這樣的數據嗯 |
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你們找到原因了沒有然後你們期待今年明年的畢業率到多少有早期就是因為整個配套措施都沒有也沒有在考察這個學生的學習力實習的狀況那語言的狀況也都沒有跟進所以我們這三年來就開始持續的強化包括學校的住宿 |
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教學 語言 實習的狀況我們都一項一項開始把它鎖緊那希望說他們可以一年級讀到三年級所以未來的畢業率會是我們審核學校他能不能繼續增加學生人數的一個評鑑今年的畢業季五月嘛對我們的畢業率會拉起來嗎我相信會會到多少 你們的目標值是多少 |
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過去因為只有三到四成因為以前很低啊 基期很低基期很低 基期很低你很容易進步啦所以再說 以往畢業率不到四成你們估計今年的畢業率會多少今年要畢業的學生也只有幾百個而已大概是六七百個因為算比例所以應該入學如果七百個 畢業六百多個 那很高現在應該會有五成左右你認為會到五成嗎 是其實還是偏低 這還是要精進對 但是我相信未來三年以後都會往上繼續走我最後提醒這個事情就是說 |
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如果從東南亞來的所謂的僑生來我們這邊讀三加四畢業率不到四成第一個會形成我們的投資浪費我每花十塊錢有六塊呢根本就沒有了每花十塊錢人民的納稅人的錢有六塊就浪費了這個我們不容許 |
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這個投報率太低第二個會有變相移工的風險你們管理上會形成大困難當然我們一直在要說委員當時大概不太會有是因為當時的規模很小都是數百人而已都還不到上千數字的敏感性高一個他占比較高嘛你現在量大了嘛花了40來億嘛我們還是要monitor我們還是要監控這個數據現在我們就很重視這個就是說 |
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有移工的風險 有投資的浪費我們就不能長期容忍我們的公共投資我們當然鼓勵 台灣是一個開放國家海外僑生來台灣讀書 百分之一百歡迎但歷業率在四成以下 五成左右那這樣子形成我們投資的浪費可能在做法上要更嚴謹去思考那這個數據我會持續觀察好 謝謝委員我們一定會讓稅金做最好的運用 謝謝 |