| IVOD_ID |
159192 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159192 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-14T15:02:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-14T15:33:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:31:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7c41c7866a52398ab710bb6433dba8f2769f2953f6d3be092525bc40d122646afc99ef46c3be2bc15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:02:36 - 15:33:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月18日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝主席我請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢算盤很重喔王委員好卓院長國事如麻不管這次預算的刪減、凍結 |
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到底是怎麼樣但是金額非常龐大所以在我們這麼多的國事這麼多的建設軟硬體都需要錢需要經費之下確實這一次預算受到的傷害打擊非常的大所以我今天 |
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送你這個禮物希望你帶回去放在院裡面我送你這四個字這四個字就是精打細算要精打細算雖然我們冰箱裡打開就剩兩條鐘三顆蛋連肉我都沒一塊但是如果認真的 |
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仔細的好好去規劃還是可以做出至少可以衝擊可以填飽肚子的東西出來所以這一點我還是寄望你要國事為重要精打細算 |
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謝謝王委員這個禮物最應該您送的應該是我們的主計長是啊就因為要精打細算所以院長我先從我要提的第二個問題開始 |
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時間就是金錢所以你看我舉一個例子我們這個促進促產條例、獎餐條例所參與的幾個案子那大概有一半以上大概最後合約雙方大家不歡而散所以我主張在這些促產條例 |
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所參與的案件當中我們應該加入強制仲裁的條例我舉大鵬灣為例大鵬灣自從政府我們跟承包商有產生糾紛以來光是前半段從101年開始用協調的方式協調了8年 |
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什麼結論都沒有結果大鵬灣那麼好的觀光景點那麼好的天然資源結果就亮在那個地方後來還是靠仲裁來解決所以我認為至少在促參條例所獎勵的案件當中是不是我們應該加入強制仲裁這樣子的條文也就是說協調不是不可行 |
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但是協調必須雙方合一之下才能夠解決但是仲裁的話是快速的判決對雙方也都很公平那如果把我們這幾十年來三四十年來政府參與的案件當中 |
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從捷運 從各項公共工程一直到促參條例的案件當中所有仲裁的結論都很公允並不會單方面的對政府不利所以我認為是不是應該加入強制仲裁 |
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這就是精打細算我們把時間成本要算在內這高明的政府應該要這麼做院長你的看法是任何行政的效率能夠提升都是政府應該進步的那我們如果有哪裡還沒有注意到這個部分委員的提醒我們馬上會去做內部的檢討我希望你就請 |
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財政部 法務部 他們引你相關的這一個部分的法令 好不好那既然莊部長上來的時候那個院長我一併提 跟莊部長有關啦就是說你看我們現在興建中的鐵路捷運的計畫光你手上 我們行政院現在規劃的那麼從基隆的捷運 台北的捷運東環 北環 南環 一直到桃園 |
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綠線、中線、台中的捷運、藍線到台南鐵路地下化捷運高捷的黃線等等一直到屏東高鐵延伸到屏東、花東鐵路、雙軌電氣化我加起來總共大概兩兆兩千兩百億那 |
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財政部的國庫署非常好他每年國庫署都有發函給我們各公共建設單位跟他說是不是我財政部來輔導你們國庫署敦促他們說是不是發行公債以內公債那我為什麼談這個事情因為我們到現在為止我們國內的售險業 |
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收取來自我們2300萬同胞的保險費保險戶的保險費總共可運用的資金35兆裡面有高達七成有25兆這些保險公司把它拿到國外去買債券買基金當然他有兩大理由啦他說我們國內利率低啦 說什麼我們國內市場小欸 院長 |
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利率低他不能講啦因為國內利率確實低但是保險公司也是以這麼低的利率去算期望值來賣保險給我們的保護嘛所以利率低這個就不提但是他提到我們國內市場小這一點我完全不服為什麼我們有這麼龐大這麼需要資金的公共建設是不是我們如果由財政部 |
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甚至監管會 以他們的能力 錯錯有餘才經在這一部分的能力輔導需要公共建設資金的像交通部門交通的建設的公債還更有自償性你看捷運蓋了 馬上大家收取運費 |
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票價都足以來支撐所以這一個部分是不是請財政部金管會幫忙這些需要這些資金建設資金的單位像交通部交通部我看了一下財政部這麼多年來這十年多來有輔導 |
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在交通部的部分交通部這十年來有七檔的交通建設一總共在但是金額還是不夠大加起來加起來才一千出頭億但是院長我們現在所需要的經費喔光這些交通建設經費我們需要兩兆兩千億而且而且如果我們把 |
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來自於我們全民的保險費的資金拿回國內由我們國內我們統籌來建設我們國家建設我們台灣不但增加大家的向心力而且我們對於行政會我們標榜我們要打造台灣成為亞洲資產管理中心 |
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我們把我們資金收回我們自己管自己運用如果我們70%的資金是委外去買國外的債券資金我們把我們的資金拿去給國外管 |
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那我們憑什麼號召其他國家說那你的資金給我管很奇怪所以在這個部分我希望由院長由你的高度你的位階由你直接下達指令那讓財政部讓金管會有所適從也讓最需要建設資金的交通部 |
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他們也才有一個舒緩的空間否則我現在各單位我舉我們還可以擴大還可以擴大到長照到社會住宅社會住宅院長你手上規劃的現在在你手上規劃就高達4800億天啊4800億那社會住宅長照也都有自償性啊 |
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喔 那可以擴大到財政部 軍管會幫助內政部他們幫助衛福部趕快來籌措這一部分的 |
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與種公債你的看法呢 院長好 謝謝委員的高見委員剛剛的這些建議都是我們現在在推動的我們就是用這樣的方式希望引進包括授請資金在內進到國內來做大家合理的投資但似乎在投資上面它有一個最低利潤的一個規定那如果不到這個規定他們沒有辦法投資所以我們跟金管會曾經討論過要不要考慮來把這個打開 是不行 |
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彭主委來說明一下謝謝委員我想剛剛委員那個指教說金管會對這一項我們都是真的非常的支持我們前陣子才跟我們那個陳部長在討論很多交通工件我們因為我們在金管會這邊籌組一個資本市場服務團我們請交易所跟櫃買做一個免費的服務來協助這些工件 |
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然後做剛剛委員提到的商品化跟證券化的過程這我們一直在努力我們也非常希望說國內有更多具有投資價值的商品能夠出來讓我們的保險資金能夠留在台灣這是我們現在正在努力的部分有 我就舉個例啦他說國外利息高 好嗎賺人家的利息可能本金被吃掉因為兩個風險一個匯率的風險我們畢竟我們是小國 |
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大國主導匯率啊所以我們吃了利息本金匯率被一調不是就被吃掉還有很重要的另外一個風險戰爭我本來很不願意提我們有五家保險公司買了1580億俄國債券那我想主委很知道你有轉過這個狀況這也是你告知我的 |
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從去年8月開始這1580億的債券陸續到期10億20億8億30億陸續到期俄國怎麼答覆我們呢俄國答覆說等我戰爭打完再來算這筆債天啊 |
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天啊這麼大的風險耶難道我們要去捲入俄烏戰爭嗎派飛機去跟他要嗎所以我認為這件事情刻不容緩站在國安的角度站在建設我們台灣我們國家的角度我們需要這些資金好不好院長您說已經在做了那非常好那我們就更積極的做更大步的做你大力授權彭知偉跟莊部長 |
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我們已經要求我們提供給我們在海外的資金回來我們提供給他一個長期合理穩定的投資報酬他就願意回來在這樣的投資環境底下也壯大我們自己的資本市場對 也讓我們的公部門像交通部就不能說我反正是公共建設嘛我要資金大筆一揮那預算編就有了不能再這樣籌措裁員不能只是有預算我們要往 |
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光在這個部分包括社宅我們也希望引進民間的合作而不是政府一再的投資如果這樣的話速度量都可能比較快而且多沒錯沒錯好那兩位部長請回陳部長你也請回院長我要再提的就是關於死刑的執行我們好不容易 |
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前兩三個月有在槍斃的位現在還有36位已經判死刑多年有的已經判了30年這些人都殺人無數可以說罪大惡極罪無可換現在大法官也做出解釋死刑核限但是必須很嚴謹執行他講的這4加1 5個條件我希望法務部能夠趕快救這36位 |
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實刑犯這四加一的這五項我們要趕快一項一項去檢視而且要把時間表列出來給全民一個交代自古殺人償命啊不是嗎我們要還被害者 |
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法律是為人民服務的嘛那我們不管其他歐洲國家是怎麼樣美國現在超過一半的州還在執行死刑耶那日本韓國這個更不用講歐洲多數國家也是死刑只有北歐少數幾個國家耶所以我認為我們2300萬人共同的意志超過八成的民意認為就是應該 |
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罪與罰要成比例當他罪大惡極當然就是罪重罰殺人償命嘛不是這樣嗎好那這36位大法官做出了解釋這四大項說最嚴重的犯罪情節最嚴謹的法律程序 |
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說強制辯護何議庭一致判決我認為我們要審視這四項針對這36位其實如果我們真要做其實一段時間內就可以做到嘛審視這四大項還有一小項就是要做精神鑑定啊看他是不是有精神障礙心智缺陷這個 |
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我們要不就是過去審判的時候有做要不就是現在再跟他做一次嘛趕快趁這個時間所以院長我是希望你交代部長是不是這一個部分這36位不是360位不是3600位所以要有一個時間要有時間表要出來到底做到哪幾項我們還欠缺什麼 |
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有這麼龐大的民意支持而且院長執行死刑是法務部的職責喔是法務部的職責好不好我希望你提醒部長這一點這是他的重責大任 |
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犯罪人是否罪大惡刑法院已經做了定案了判決之後那現在執行就在法務部那法務部必定要遵照現判的意旨完成他的所有的法定程序那給應該被執行者的最後剛剛委員所說的要不要經過一個 |
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精神的鑑定或是一個怎麼樣的審定讓他知道他因為他的犯行而受到社會最大最大的苛責他必須要付出這樣的代價那法務部是非常謹慎的那麼前一陣子我們也因為整個法律的這個完備我們有執行了一位所以證明台灣並不是一個廢死的一個社會我們法律上我們是在合憲的範圍當中只要完備法律我們對於這種經過法院判決的最後合備法律我們會予以執行的 |
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大法官都幫整個政府 幫法務部背書了嘛死刑核憲 只是加注了這幾項那這些就成如剛才院長你也認同的嘛這最嚴重的犯罪情節 這都是全民已經看得一清二楚就是簡單講 罪大惡極 罪無可換 |
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這種有的甚至前幾年發生的那種慘絕人寰的還有院長我們這些法律輔助的預算去年編了15億今年也編了15億但是很傷腦筋的去年啦我光講去年就好去年15億法輔的預算啦百分之二十不到是用在被害人 |
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有將近百分之八十是在幫加害人幫他強制辯護不打緊加害人啊死刑罐請罪多啦一聘聘三位律師天啊天啊加害人家無恆常連個律師也請不起加害人現在在我們的法律的訴訟當中是很 |
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無奈完全無力的他們連結婚權都沒有他發生命案以後被害人家屬必須把所有權力寄望於說這個檢察官很好這個包青天在世能夠伸張但是往往檢察官案量很多有時候總是會有小疏忽所以對被害人非常非常的不公平我認為今年這15億的預算我們應該扭轉過來 |
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適度的扭轉過來當然還是給被害人強制辯護沒錯但是我們要適度的轉化把多數的資源留給被害家庭被害人的家屬好不好好不好編預算在司法院但資金很多工序請部長來答覆一下 |
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他那個法府是屬於那個司法院主管的那那個犯罪被害人這部分我們那個犯罪被害人權利保護法現在是在113年1月1日施行的那現在已經施行的第二年了那這部分我們可以加強保護那這個的預算都有做一個比較寬裂的我認為家人的人權固然要保障 |
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1261.048 |
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我們大法官也釋憲的結果我們給他強制辯護如果是急刑的審判的話但是要適可而止這些資源我們應該用在被害以被害人為主 |
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所以對加害人的人權的保障對被害人的人權的保障我們很用心但是至少對加害人的我們很用心但對被害人我們至少要採取同樣的態度甚至更多的關係至少同樣的態度所以就要同樣的資源嘛好不好還有我要跟您提到來那個部長你請回我要提到的就是一個也是很無奈的 |
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1310.325 |
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被遺忘的颱風架需求啦我們幾個月前來了兩三個颱風在台北的甚至連放兩天颱風架在高雄甚至有四天的颱風架結果我們很多獨居的身葬者 |
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1312.878 |
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1339.414 |
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不要說連著四天連著兩天光一天啦一天沒有造福源去他們幾乎就沒辦法來自立生活照顧自己他們要吃藥要用餐要喝水要如廁這些身葬者沒辦法自己一人完成尤其是獨居的獨居的身葬者他沒有家人更不用談外傭了 |
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1365.108 |
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那這樣子的情況我認為我們有兩件事可以應該趕快著手改善第一個就是說如果颱風有宣告颱風的時候是不是我們趕快跟獨居的身障者很龐大的人數喔大概一千八百多位我們趕快聯絡他們是不是我們緊急安置第二點我們用 |
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1385.976 |
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我們的這個造福源造福源為什麼颱風架造福源他可以不出警嗎因為本身有危險還有他需要的交通的費用還有這樣子出差的危險那危險性的部分我們可以用保險來代替 |
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那麼他交通出勤的部分我們讓他搭私家車搭Uber搭計程車這些費用由政府吸收來貼他們因為畢竟水災風災這些火災這些都是 |
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1406.005 |
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1422.438 |
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偶爾會發生並不是每天常態性的事所以這些是不是應該由我們政府來擔負這個部分這個費用的補貼 補貼造福源兩個緊急安置然後造福源我們幫他讓他可以出勤 |
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1443.754 |
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你的看法呢原則性的問題跟委員答覆在總統的指示下如何全面提高對獨居老人的照顧我們也請鄭麗君副院長再主持一個專案那其中很多的資訊跟照顧的實際的行為要來自於地方政府的配合跟合作他才有完整的資訊但無論如何我們已經全面在做這個專案了 |
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這個已經在處理未來委員所提到的這個部分就是一個照顧服務的空檔我們不會讓他空檔來出現這個我們會在專案裡面把它納進去但是還是需要地方政府能夠全面的來協助才有辦法把這個11在各個地方能夠全面的照顧網能夠展開來 |
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1486.232 |
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當然啦 地方政府當然是要配合那這一點我們中央政府可以督導他們我們有端的在處理都可以督導他們還有身心障礙者權利保障法已經17年沒有修正那院長在你的手上 你們已經修正了衛福部已經通過了這個版本 這非常好那麼也送到行政院再做最後的核定那麼是不是 院長 |
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是不是可以在近期內趕快將身心障礙者權力保障法是不是就送來我們立法院完成這個程序好不好好 部長能簡單答覆重點答覆身心障礙權力保障法我們已經在3月3號函送行政院審查也感謝行政院也多次指導擬出一個最適當的一個版本現在正在行政院審議 |
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1514.804 |
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好 那個部長剛好你上來了我順便提 院長就是保健品的關稅啦大概我們全台灣是全世界保健品關稅最高的國家欸 美國只有6.4%韓國8% 日本4.5連對岸中國都8.5%而已我們多少欸我們高達30%的保健品關稅那這有兩大影響第一個 這影響到我們國民 |
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1545.347 |
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1563.62 |
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去採用更優質 品質更好的國外保健品像歐美日他們這些保健品第二點阻礙了我們自己國內生技業 製藥業他們應有的發展 保健品的市場 |
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1567.062 |
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光我就舉一年就好 光舉前年就好前年保健品的市場高達1700億當然1700億裡面很多我們國民還是願意接受好啦那被你打30% 我就是要用國外的用扣掉這些國外進口的以外 |
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我們還有將近一千億有九百多億國內保健品就由我們國內業者製造那當然經濟部現在部長上來了經濟部就說啊這麼高的關稅保護我們國內的產業但是保護產業固然是對 |
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1623.031 |
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但是國民健康應該優於產業保護不是嗎然後因為這麼高關稅讓這些大廠們他藥品不再研發不再製作了 |
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他就做這些保健品做維他命ABCDE責任又小做鈣片做這些保健品利潤高有30%的關稅保護啊所以他不再做藥啦也不再研發啦你看我們現在健保這麼拮据我們把 |
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1662.745 |
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國外一些優質原廠藥我們因為價格的關係只好砍砍到人家不交那至少如果我們國內的藥廠增機的話你至少不但研發你也可以做這些專利已經到期的學名藥啊但是他不做啦 為什麼三十八保護者我有將近一千億 |
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1665.046 |
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這麼龐大的市場我就做這個就好了所以院長我希望說你能跟兩位部長好好談一談產業的保護固然重要但是國內的藥廠生技業這些工廠沒有那麼脆弱他們都已經龐然大悟啦上市上櫃了一大堆 |
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我們要可以他們責任也就是說我們把保健品的關稅下降一方面讓我們國內的同胞能夠享受到便宜又優質的國外保健品二方面讓我們國內的藥廠生技業他們能夠茁壯能夠來研究這些重要的製藥那個對我們國民健康有另類保障的這些製藥好不好 |
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1741.472 |
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報告委員您的這個指教我們會參佐我們會鼓勵業者自己好好的生產符合國人健康的這些藥那麼保健食品的部分我們也會來了解整個市場的需求我希望你回去趕快了解這個市場就我剛剛跟你提的 |
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1762.099 |
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1700億扣除進口的我們自己國內製造有1000億之多所以你看這些生技這些做保健品的藥廠各個都上市上櫃那當然那是他們的本領啦我們不是忌諱他去上市不是而是希望可以以他更多責任去研發藥品 |
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1763.579 |
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1772.394 |
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去幫助我們的健保去平衡好不好所以郭部長我再次跟郭部長你強調產業保護固然重要 |
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1773.285 |
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1792.423 |
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但是國民健康更優於產業保護好不好好那兩位部長三位部長請回我院長我最後一個題目要跟你提到的就是關於我相信你們已經有著手在進行這院裡跟國防部都有在進行就是關於我們國軍 |
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1823.563 |
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我們兵源那麼薪資結構的調整那也因應我們未來勢必會調漲我們國防的支出既然是這樣而且現在我們志願役跟義務役薪資都應該要做調整我舉例現在光做建築的泥水工、鋼筋工、模板工一天都三千五耶需要趕工的時候還四千塊以上 |
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1824.463 |
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那只要他做兩天修一天做兩天修一天一個月就七八萬了那對志願力非常不公平才三萬多元所以在這個部分那對於那個志願力跟意味都應該增加 |
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1842.276 |
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因為一五一很多他固然對國家有這個當兵的義務但是有的都家庭還是需要過去他學生的時候打工去幫家計所以在一五一自願意我們我知道國防部應該有規劃的報告委員賴總統上任以後就有所指示國防部也在緊急作業好那是不是進化以後趕快就准監獄實施以後 |
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1872.176 |
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1879.145 |
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好 謝謝王世堅委員的質詢也謝謝卓院長 各位部會首長的備詢 謝謝在接下來我們請登記 |