IVOD_ID |
159188 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159188 |
日期 |
2025-03-14 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-5 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
5 |
會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-03-14T11:03:28+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-03-14T11:19:14+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:15:46 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/7c41c7866a52398a95bd09b1cc42d31a769f2953f6d3be0947db518ab5281cebb6269e3722f5e7cf5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
委員發言時間 |
11:03:28 - 11:19:14 |
會議時間 |
2025-03-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第5次會議(事由:一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、3月14日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、3月18日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。) |
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謝謝主席我是不是請一下卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長早剛剛前一位王育民委員質詢的最後一句話我不曉得您有沒有聽清楚 |
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他問的是請您把人民的利益擺在最前面他問的是請您把人民的利益擺在最前面他很了解我我今天要問你的是當人民的少數的這些人民的利益跟國家的利益衝突的時候哪一個重要哪一個要放在前面昨天賴總統的談話 |
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中國是境外敵對勢力所以他要恢復軍事審判因應滲透院長這句話對嗎有說錯了哪裡嗎我認為完全沒有錯中國是境外敵對勢力中國當然是境外 |
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他每天飛機軍艦飛機來台灣繞不時在台灣周遭做不同狀況的演習定時不定時而且對他的這個海警船對我們的漁船也不時的騷擾甚至他的很多的權威輪也破壞我們的海欄難道我們會把他定義為一個對我們友善 |
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或是一般的對象嗎所以當然是對我們來看它是有相當的敵意如果面對這樣的一個境外敵對的勢力每天不只利用各種的階段文攻武嚇您剛剛講到的是武嚇的部分文攻的部分我待會再繼續跟您討論 |
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為什麼賴總統說要恢復軍事審判我想這個數字行政院應該掌握得很清楚中國正在滲透我們的國軍 |
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現在到2024年共諜起訴的對象有66%是軍人滲透的幾乎都是軍人但是依照現行的法令這一些叛國的出賣國家安全利益的他們所受到的判刑其實都相對非常的輕微院長您同意我的看法嗎 |
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所以他對我們的民間也透過各種關係來做他們自己有利於他對方更嚴重的是對軍中的人士我們的現役軍人所以對於現役軍人或者是退役軍人採取不斷的這一種滲透的手段小的時候我們上學的時候都要背一句話叫做保密綁諜人人有責就在你身邊小心匪諜就在你身邊 |
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我現在覺得匪諜無所不在啊 |
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共諜無所不在啊剛剛講的是武嚇文工的部分呢透過宗教公廟的交流透過村里長的交流透過文化藝術的交流透過媒體的滲透甚至我都懷疑透過立法院國會議員在這裡進行文工武嚇在這裡進行滲透啊這不恐怖嗎 |
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這不嚇人嗎?特有委員 國會的議員在開議前 開議中要到中國去聽命 領旨然後回來做進行顛覆政府的工作這不嚇人嗎?所以我們要對這種滲透的行為我們要有積極有效的反制所以反滲透是我們現階段很重要的工作所以喔 院長我現在要跟您提的就是說 |
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如果昨天賴總統的這一個恢復軍事審判針對軍人的職責不涉及一般的治安犯罪我是大力支持而我認為國防部在軍審法的這些相關法令的配套上面甚至會不會有國安法庭的相關的配套上面應該要加速去進行賴部長您同意我的看法嗎 |
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跟委員報告,我想就剛剛講的就是說,飛沪軍事審判它的範圍就是現役軍人,軍人職務上的犯罪這一塊,也就是屬於陸海空軍刑法第二篇相關的這些犯罪,所以不涉及 |
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有關於他一般的刑事案件也不涉以非現役軍人的部分所以這個沒有扯到什麼所謂的軍中人權的問題我們談的是他涉及了國家安全妨礙了國家安全的部分我覺得這個在你們的軍事法庭或者是這些國安法庭的設計上面我不知道未來你們會不會有所謂的國安法庭 |
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但是在你的這個軍審法恢復的時候我認為相關的配套措施國防部是不是要盡速研議對我們會來盡速研議過去被人詬病的這些相關有一些不符合憲法意旨的部分我們都會來進行大幅的一個檢討修正那主要當然就是說 |
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因為這些還是有涉及一些軍事專業的一個專業性應該是這樣講所以涉及到軍事專業性所以我們會來檢討就是說像這些要從事軍閥審判的這些審判人員 |
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他可能要具有一定的部隊的實務的經驗那麼他透過多元徵選的管道那拔卓之後給他一定的身份保障之後來確保他的獨立性之後那我們來從事相關的這樣的一個審判一方面能夠兼顧這個人權同時能夠嚴肅軍紀這是我們現在努力的方向 |
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我想這個部分我是全力的支持那我也希望國防部能夠加速的來進行對於人權的保障固然這是非常的重要但是對於國家安全的維護會是在我們這個階段裡頭非常非常重要的一項工作這個我也要請國防部來多加進行 |
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剛剛部長說得非常清楚 重新啟動的軍事審判 針對特定對象他裡面的特定的軍事犯罪行為 跟過去的軍事審判是截然不同的我們有一句話說 一樣不一樣的事這件事不一樣又不一樣的事所以剛才有人就是偷換概念嘛 |
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他就跟你講說軍中人權怎樣怎樣怎樣說說民進黨現在這個換了位子換了腦袋完全不顧軍中人權但是我們現在恢復的軍事審判是針對特定的對象特定的議題不涉及一般的治安犯罪嘛我覺得這個部分也要對外來說明清楚喔那這個台灣的國家安全重不重要當然非常重要啊 |
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台灣的人民藉由宗教的交流去到中國你覺得沒有政治嗎如果沒有政治為什麼一貫道的信徒在那裡會被抓起來你覺得一般的商業交流沒有政治嗎如果沒有政治的話為什麼跟著國民黨立法院的總召去到香港也會被抓起來人在哪裡還不知道還救不回來 |
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你覺得一般的學生的參訪沒有政治嗎如果沒有政治的話為什麼那些學生來到台灣會講中國台北你覺得一般的藝人來到中國會沒有政治嗎昨天楊子瓊女士到101參加一個珠寶展她本來講說很開心來到這個國家回去之後她的臉書她的IG寫的是中國台北 |
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沒有政治嗎政治無所不在啊滲透無所不在啊破壞無所不在啊所以我覺得政府現在真的是應該硬起來啊針對境外敵對勢力我百分之百支持政府這樣做所以我也要請國防部陸委會真的要強硬起來喔好不好好 那我接下來要請問第二個議題喔這個兩位可以請回喔院長 |
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我記得去年6月14號問您的時候我們談的是復一案當時是講國會擴權你說你相信人類有高尚的心靈立委是正義的化身所以復一會過不過從去年到現在您已經連五敗復一一直不會過那復一不過呢國會擴權可能跟民生可能他們還不覺得什麼 |
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總預算沒過應該怎麼辦呢過去我們的賴總統一直講他要一憲一法如果一憲一法的話這個總預算沒過十天之內就要公佈實施很顯然這個總預算你們是沒有辦法做的我想請教行政院的救濟管道是什麼現在我們確實遇到相當大的困難比如說監察院他幾乎是完全被刪除的跟凍結的 |
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現在連他們的調查費 他們都很難支應他們連水電費都付不出來 還欠費喔我知道啊 其實有一些部會是被刪過頭了嘛被刪過頭那個更多嘛 完全是刪到複數嘛業務費100%被刪掉 或者是被刪掉99% 大有部會所在但是院長我要請教你 你接下來的救濟管道是什麼 |
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你如果要申請釋憲依照現在的憲訴法規定參與評議的要多過十個大法官違憲宣告要多於九個大法官但是現在很珠息我們只有八個大法官這樣要怎麼處理你要走這條路看起來也走不通啊如果要等總統重新提名然後等這個立法院又通過人事同意權我不知道要等多久那這段時間怎麼辦 |
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這個依照憲法的規定跟精神 我們當然還有憲政的救濟啦對啦 我剛剛跟你講的就是憲政的救濟嘛依照過去的案例 91年的案例是經由兩院繼續的協商但是我不曉得現在這種協商的基礎是否存在以及協商後續的執行是否可能 |
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我不知道你們要怎麼協商啦派誰來協商 誰能夠主持協商 誰說了算過去的行政立法兩院是兩院的院長坐下來協商院長 立法院的院長有絕對的主導權可是我不知道現在國民黨看這個立法院院長沒有啊看他沒有啊院長都要來協商 人家不要理他 |
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那你要怎麼協商那你接下來你會面臨到的這些比如說我剛剛講的預算三過頭你們預算要怎麼執行你的空窗期現在預算要怎麼執行我不知道你接下來要怎麼辦那你們我現在要後面要講到的是跟地方的補助是有相關的 |
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對不對中央的部會沒有辦法執行地方的建設要不要繼續做地方的建設要不要繼續做當然要繼續做啊台中市長第一個出來喊他說不管復議過不過都不應該煽動地方的補助款 |
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好啦 如果他這麼在意地方的補助款他台中有這麼多的子弟兵 為什麼不支持復議案呢為什麼不支持地方的建設呢那為什麼讓我們這一些支持總預算的支持要大幅增加台灣建設的立法委員來擔這個後果呢院長你可以告訴我為什麼嗎 我不太懂欸 |
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所以你們的那個三個排除條件喔我建議你再增加一個排除條件就是停總預算的立委他的縣市不應該被你們排除建設經費您可以同意我嗎 |
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停總預算的立委對總預算的支持的委員還是相當多數我覺得他們很著重的是一方面要國家的發展一方面要地方的建設同時要中央地方財政均衡合理所以我們對對方的補助對方的任何的發展我們會朝健康的方向去想你講的這個很委婉你會朝健康的方向去做 |
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我就直接問你高雄啦高雄的巴西立委拼得要死我們好不容易從過去小英總統的時代從蘇貞昌院長或者是賴清德當行政院長的那個一路下來給高雄這麼多的建設給高雄這麼多可以往前邁進一大步的機會 |
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財化把 富翼輸掉了高雄竟然是最大的輸家高雄竟然是最大的輸家喔我看到這個財化把我實在是頭都昏掉了花蓮增加228% |
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我不是說花蓮不值得但是花蓮增加這麼多結果高雄是最少的高雄只有增加49%所有的部會裡面它是增加最少的那高雄需不需要建設高雄當然需要大建設啊甚至我們現在都在跟您談未來高雄機場的運量很快到2045年就會達到飽和 |
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包括陳市長包括我本席包括幾位的立委我們都一直在大力疾呼行政院應該要開始開啟高雄新機場的規劃這是一個往前看20年的重大建設這是一個讓高雄再起飛讓高雄更好的一個重大的轉折點可是因為這樣的才化把因為這樣的一個補助案 |
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910.836 |
transcript.whisperx[38].end |
934.805 |
transcript.whisperx[38].text |
富裕沒通過你是扼殺了地方的大幅發展院長您要怎麼做所以支持中央有更健全財政能力的委員當然會得到中央更多的支持那如果把錢都放下到地方去這樣不合理的規劃之下未來地方就由地方所以高雄的巴西對行政院是 |
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944.653 |
transcript.whisperx[39].end |
945.662 |
transcript.whisperx[39].text |
好 謝謝邱毅英委員 |