| IVOD_ID |
159171 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159171 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T12:42:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T12:54:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770fbdcc016511a181db2f58198bcf8270c175917ee1f59655e52f620ca07494474b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:42:22 - 12:54:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長劉世芳、經濟部、交通部、金融監督管理委員會、台灣電力股份有限公司就「公寓大廈裝設電動車輛充電裝置之相關法令、國家標準、建築設計、管理維護、火災預防措施及相關保險類別與要保人之認定」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【本次會議若因當日加開院會而停開，不再另行通知】） |
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現在處長還有署長好 請次長跟署長抱歉 委員哪一個署長國獨署國獨署 國獨署長對 今天很多位署長委員好你們好 我們來談一個很多人關心不過應該是一個很嚴重的造謠跟謠言經理怎麼 |
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內政部開了一個記者會說因為藍白凍結了租金的補貼所以導致可能有7萬5千戶的住戶租金補貼會斷催而且可能11月以後就沒辦法發放這是個謠言嗎 是不是你們弄錯了市長還是署長 |
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你們消息也沒有弄錯還是故意造謠跟委員報告我們的計算方式是因為大院凍結了本部住宅基金41.47億那如果這個基金相關的補貼如果沒有辦法在這個會期順利被解凍那麼我們擔心我先給你看一下當初三次 |
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凍結跟刪除的這個條文 請看一下 來左下角請你唸一下這個條文左下角我框起來那個 雲第七款第二項第三目 來你從那邊開始唸跟我們全國民眾看你到底是造謠還是你們不認識字來 這個預算 這個預算是由台灣民眾黨提案雖然要凍結一部分的預算 可是他先排除了什麼 |
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住宅政策跟住宅計畫之推動的計畫也就是你剛講的蘇星的補貼那是刪除的部分不是動體的部分對嘛所以第一個他沒有被那是刪除的部分是補包含你到底是有辦法嗎還是故意跟人家亂說署長跟次長應該不只是認識是水準要很高吧把這個條文再看把這個提案的內容再看一下第一個你們說的 |
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你們說的住宅政策就是你所謂的租金的補貼先排除也就是一毛錢都沒有刪對不對這是我自己寫的條文啊你們為什麼把我的條文亂扭曲呢因為它是刪除不是凍結所以在刪除的時候就已經沒有這個嘛就是這個租金補貼已經被排除了嘛所以第一個它不會被凍到第二個下面這個你來練後來要凍結對不對 |
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凍結41億好 這個也很重要凍結的是什麼是國土計畫法這個修正裡面你們沒辦法讓它如期的推動本來馬上要做對不對後來是不是推完了這個六年所以那時候我不是問部長你是一步是沒有整個推動過程事先沒有規劃然後也沒有要去溝通沒有因地制宜到後來不負責任 |
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四不一沒有 我跟國倉委員都問喔所以你如果不負責你要不要下台因為要你做一個說明嘛所以這個動解是要做什麼叫你針對四不一沒有 欸是沒有一步國土計畫法你延宕這個事情這個條件怎麼寫 來最後一段怎麼寫三個業內跟立法院內政委員會提出專案報告同意以後就可以動之 |
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這個跟租金補貼前後有什麼關係第一個這個條文寫的清清楚楚租金補貼一毛錢都沒有刪第二個當節的事國土計劃法修正案而且更重要的清清楚楚寫三個業內人來報告所以次長跟署長你們是聽到底下還是聽到底下要造謠嗎你這個我現在就問一個最簡單的 |
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凍結不是刪除啊都已經講你三個月內來報告啊 |
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是不是 你現在什麼 你們不準備來報告嗎還是剩餘錢不要跟委員報告就是說我們一定會努力爭取相關的預算的解凍那預算的解凍基於現在大院的規範這個預算的解凍是在內政委員會小組討論就可以委員會討論即可還是要到大院討論即可其實我們目前不清楚這是第一個第二個我們在討論的是市長 市長看您下午的提案內容怎麼會到院會去呢 |
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你再唸一次最後一行唸一下最後一行我們要更新的是預算法最後的決定預算法預算法最後送出的決定可能是在大院要做報告我們目前不清楚為什麼到大院做報告市長你再看一下提案內容沒有叫你到院會提案內容叫你到內政委員會你找去院會做什麼你是不滿意還是故意要曲解 |
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相關的報告最後到目前為止我們接到的訊息是最後還是要送大院在討論所以我們非常感謝內政委員會的協助我們也感謝委員的承諾所以你的意思市長目前的規範是市長你對著全民講你意思是這筆凍結案內政委員會三個月內過了不算喔照你講是不是這樣 |
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是嗎 欸你明確跟全民交代我們現在沒有辦法清楚得到的消息本席在立法院院會提的 通過的條文明明是在內政委員會啊你怎麼扭曲我的條文呢啊如果這樣的話好 OK那這筆就不是只有內政委員會報告喔我們的召集委員在這邊齁好來 我們重新整理一下第一個內政部公布了一個 |
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跟事實不符的 要嘛就是造謠嘛要嘛就是不認識 是亂扭曲這個等一下我會把它PO上去給大家看 好不好然後你現在看一下 我還特別提我們全部國庫署的本來預算是多少414.6億這是刪減多少 刪得很少耶2.73而已耶2.73在刪的時候還特別在這個提案裡面清清楚楚 |
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民眾的房屋的租屋的補貼一毛錢都不會刪這是第一個第二個凍結了10% 41億這是做什麼事情現在國土計畫上路修改案延誤了是針對這部分來報告沒有叫你報告其他的啊而且裡面寫這麼清楚三個月就已經是可以解凍的啊 |
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所以我跟你講喔來還有一個重點你看我們要刪這筆預算跟凍結我們還特別去算過你們講的你說房屋經費一共有多少錢你國土署自己講的31億對不對一年要用372億你把那個凍結的錢都算進去414減掉那個刪除的再把凍結算進去你一整年也夠啊 |
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所以你換了三個錯誤啊第一個你把已經被我們很清楚說不會刪的東西也不會凍的租金補貼你把它造謠第一次第二個造謠是什麼凍解的根本跟這個沒有關係而且要你三個月以內就來解凍第三個更嚴重你今天你所需要的三百欸 署長 |
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你所需要的370億 怎麼算這筆錢都是夠的 只有你跟我講說影響到7.5萬戶還要到11月 要轉去電機 就沒有了我們做個結論啦 蘇定所以我跟國民報告 第一個這整個提案 我們也覺得很無可奈何因為提案的是國土計畫 結果去動租金補貼 |
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這就是第一個我們也覺得很無奈因為國土計畫的本身的經費只有301萬但是你卻去動了租金補貼這是第一個提案的最大問題第二個等一下等一下等一下我會說明一下等一下等一下你講的不對我們這筆預算裡面這個項目就是414億啊就是你國庫所有414嘛對不對所以不是國土計畫的部門第二個我們清楚跟你講有排除 |
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排除是只有在刪除那只有刪除的部分是排除凍結沒有凍結沒有而且凍結是三個月趕快來報告就沒有了就解凍了所以凍結的部分才會去含到租金補貼因為國路計畫本身的預算只有301萬所以我才會說這個提案就像我們現在專案報告我們也不曉得是要提國路計畫還是要提租金補貼還是要提道路下水道因為全部都在裡面 |
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這個提案內容還講到就是你們國土來來一開始就國土署在國土計畫法修法過程裡面被批評存在一步是沒有的情況你針對這個你跟地方政府沒有好好溝通民眾有餘力嘛所以才拖延了六年開始要實施對不對 |
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你們的政治存在更重要的你們沒有達成你們本來設定馬上要上路所以叫你們來報告三個月後三個月內來報告完以後才能解凍是不是這樣這個提案內容這麼清楚結果你們一定要把它誤解成我們做個結論第一個你們很清楚跟民眾講我們也跟民眾講第一個因為當時的提案是本來應該是要動國土計劃法本身的經費結果卻動到了全屬的經費 |
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所以你都不看提案內容就對了凍結是針對國土計劃法引落上路這個事情然後國土計劃本身的經費很少所以才會凍到其他的經費現在的狀況是這樣如果今天只凍國土計劃法相關的預算其實那是很少但是結果卻凍到了全部的經費所以才會有後面這些事情產生 |
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這是六年來跑立法院的新聞出了三本預算的書 我在裡面聽到有這種解說一個大的預算項目裡面 要你凍結的項目很清楚 |
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而且租屋的這個補貼中心都已經這麼清楚好啦你現在OK那你現在最關鍵是什麼三個月內現在已經開始了好不好你三個月內裡面都跟你講說你趕快針對國有計畫法這個提來以後你這個事實一一就可以解凍了嘛對不對是不是這樣對我們也會有準備所以不要就次長你剛剛講什麼送到宴會你如果真的要送到宴會我們就正式在提案說因為次長 |
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要求,所以不是送到委員會解凍你趕快提,趕快解凍,這時候問題都解決了,是不是這樣?我們現在已經提案在做說明了,好,謝謝好,所以本席非常明確的要求,跟民眾講清楚就提案的內容,沒有動到任何的租金的這個補貼第二個你們要來做報告,三個月內在內政委員會就解凍了不要讓人民擔心,好不好 |
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我更明確要求你們要過幾天你們行政院長要下箱去先講我還是要跟委員報告不要再繼續造謠國土計劃法凍結的預算應該只有針對國土計劃的預算大概只有310幾萬但是因為你們凍結了40幾億所以他就凍到了其他相關的基金這些相關的基金就跟 |
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住宅補貼 租金補貼直接做連結所以他被排除嘛那我還進一步算給你聽你們國庫署自己講你一年需要372對不對你的錢就是明明比372還多啊不要讓遙遠再繼續下去 把他更正好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝張祺凱偉我補充說明一下喔那我剛剛特別跟醫事人員做一下確認啦基本上解凍案 |