| IVOD_ID |
159166 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159166 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T12:00:36+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T12:09:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f7dc81507af1c1f9cb0efe61acdb48b4e86f8ffab8834d983062fd125beb3cbaa5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許智傑 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:00:36 - 12:09:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【如本院改為加開院會，則本次會議取消，不另行通知。】） |
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我剛一開始就提到其實我對這一次的預算其實是很有意見 |
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預算數86被刪了35.82動了17.25所以剛剛林軍縣委員也有提到就是說巧婦難為無米之炊啦錢少很多要做很多事事實上是很辛苦那當然就是說我們也盡力而為啦那我們也希望說後續我會再多做一些趕快提一些專案報告希望趕快解凍那能做的就盡量做 |
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那當然就是說打詐跟數位任性其實這個都是非常重要的東西那包括AI基本法現在就是本來在我們的交通委員會的速發部那現在就是程序委員會把它調到那個教委會的國發會坦白講這個我個人是不贊成 |
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那我想問一下部長的意見怎麼樣我們這樣子就是所謂基本法其實並沒有所謂主管機關因為都是以政府來當作是主持所以原則上行政院有在上次開會有談一個決議就是說雖然沒有主管機關但是以後AI的基本法的推動跟解釋單位是速發部那我們承接這樣的一個工作我們已經開始在進行 |
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所以我們當然就是說因為行政院有指示所以我們會去再推動AI基本法的推動跟剛剛講就是需要去溝通協調這個我們書畫部會進行因為你看AI基本法剛剛那個部長有提到其實將來有很多的規範到底創新好還是規範要到什麼程度我聽他們那個將來整個世界上又會有一個protocol去訂定嘛 |
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我是聽人家這樣說 醫療AI有頭的頭比較好的不能有頭有手有頭有手的頭比較不太好這個其實概念很簡單 但是也有一些不孝分子可能會去偷做 偷得又有手有腳的 |
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那基本上我們訂這個規範這個應該是最後這個部分應該也會訂下去啦類似這樣子的啦就是說以中型防範未來那個人類被機器人取代那機器人會攻擊人類這些相對的都會在整個世界的公約上去訂定當然就是說我們可以看OECD |
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經濟合作發展組織它有一些人工智慧的建議所以全世界各國也都針對人工智慧訂一些法規比如說日本的人工智慧社會原則美國、加拿大、歐盟等等人工智慧法所以我也認為說我們台灣要儘快訂這個AI基本法這個是一個基本的大的原則 |
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那當然AI基本法也不用訂很細啦我知道有一些不同的委員或不同的黨派那訂定的AI基本法規範的很細那我個人是認為也沒有那個必要啦那當然就是說我們希望說的就是 |
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速發部就AI的所有的部分那包括這些基本的法則包括將來應用包括將來執行我想速發部應該都是最直接的啦包括國發會可能會有一些預算編列就AI的應用的部分軟體的部分也會給速發部來用嘛 |
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所以大原則我是認為說是不是部長應該把這個AI基本法充分的表達你的意見就是說應該回到我們的訴法部來才是最專業最適合的對 包括委員就是說基本法這是很多原則性的宣示那後面要立很多作用法跟執法這個目前下面很多都是我們訴法部要去做像AI的風險分類或分級 |
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一些資料的管理等等但都會在我們這裡所以不管那個最上層的基本法是誰在推動但是在後面很多的資法跟作用都會回到促發部在制定所以這個工作上促發部還是負責最主要的工作我是覺得剛剛部長提到盡量去爭取 |
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那另外就是說我們這個基本上塑化部所負責的業務將來AI的應用真的很廣泛包括智慧醫療包括無人機包括自駕車簡單的講就是AI for all所有的部分都有可能會用到AI那今天 |
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就像我們大學在寫程式的時候我們那個實在是4chan了啦基本上我們要有一個電腦中心讓我們去寫程式 |
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那我們現在就是說所有的AI的應用有一些小中小企業他可能沒有足夠的算力中心他可能沒有足夠的硬體設備你要叫他自己寫是有點困難的所以就牽涉到我們的AI的算力池這個部分或者是說我們的韌性這個部分那目前整個國家應該也有規劃一個大的方向 |
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大企業自己去做那是有能力啦中小企業沒有能力去做這個部分書發部準備什麼樣的能力然後讓其他的中小企業要做AI應用的都可以來國家幫你處理這個基本的硬體的裝置 |
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我們就是在去年就成立了一個算力池大概有40片的GPU就讓民眾可以在中小企業能夠申請免費使用在這裡面我們也產生了這個 |
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大概幾十個這樣一個AI的80個AI的應用嘛那本來今年是打算擴充到再加買個70個GPU然後擴大到就至少300個300個這個公司本來打算本來是打算這樣子但是因為經費關係我們就是要維持去年的那個規模 |
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經費是被刪掉的你們有做這個經費被刪掉嗎這一塊就被刪掉了所以這一塊就是沒辦法再去買因為GPU是蠻昂貴的所以這個要維護我想我們必須嚴正的抗議跟大力的宣導這個是要提供全國所有的中小企業有機會做AI應用的錢 |
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所要做的設備那現在是被刪掉了你們沒辦法再擴充了沒辦法再買所以現在就是用原來的40片去提供服務就是服務的加速就有限了所以這個就想說在這個規模之下所以這個算一詞這個其實我真的是非常嚴重的抗議那最後這個那個韌性的海南站現在狀況如何 |
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海嵐站目前就是我們就是國內就是有10有4條海嵐就是幾個海嵐站然後國際有14條海嵐那海嵐站的目前我們還在擴建幾個海嵐線那海嵐站當然就是也可以再加第一個我們有經費來補助這個電信公司在海嵐站的這些建設跟維運現在有規劃嗎 |
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就是目前海嵐站是已經有幾個地方嘛那委員也知道我們事實上可以再擴充幾個海嵐站所以事實上海嵐站就是為了韌性有沒有規劃大概什麼時候有機會完成 |
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新年我們有一筆預算就是要再規劃這個所謂的這個現在要考慮從高雄上岸這個會再繼續規劃所以今年應該有機會完成規劃那再來就是經費再看經費怎麼去又是經費被刪的問題今年就是經費不足你先把規劃做好然後 |
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經費我們再來想辦法,不然看有沒有辦法追加減再說啦其實我真的是很生氣經費被刪這麼久,塑膠布是被刪得最慘的好啦,就你的能力盡力而為那我們能爭取經費我們再來做立法,我們運會再來做努力好,加油,謝謝 |