| IVOD_ID |
159160 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159160 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T12:30:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T12:37:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f6eb21b7fda7e7e4ffc7dc3b86466824c86f8ffab8834d98379b5a1982509e2505ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:30:03 - 12:37:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席那我們是不是有請我們部長 政部長部長請 市長那請市長 |
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委員好,市長,這個3月10號,也就是幾天前,有一個新聞那這個新聞,它的標題是說車手犯二十案,都稱沒有報仇,所以獲得輕判 |
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那他有稍微講述一下這個犯罪的過程是有一個叫做姓方的男子他在2023年的時候首次犯案就是6月7號首次犯案跟被害人當車手拿了60萬然後他坦承犯刑 宣稱沒有拿到報酬結果台中地方法院減刑 判一年六個月 |
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但是他首次犯案是6月7號他在7月4號又當車手又跟另外一個賴姓婦人拿了250萬那後來台北地方法院也是輕判一年有期徒刑病科罰金10萬那量刑還比6月7號的260萬還要低 |
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但還有在被抓後被抓後因為他沒有被羈押沒有被羈押所以這個人真的很可惡第三次7月5號7月17號又在苗栗跟一個黃姓被害人取走了59萬一樣坦承犯刑但是宣稱沒有拿到報酬苗栗紀院還是給他減刑判處一年10個月並科罰金6萬元 |
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這個是法院的判決當然站在法務部的立場你們不希望會有這樣的判決但是現在看起來現實面就是這樣啊 |
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警察這麼辛苦的去抓詐騙 警察官也投入了好多的心力開庭 然後審理 立庭審理 然後做相對應證據的一個調查對被害人的一些保全的一個作為 都做了啊結果咧 第一個 車手沒有羈押 他繼續詐騙第二個 車手可能年紀輕 |
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沒什麼財力然後他坦承犯刑然後只要宣稱我沒有拿到報酬就沒有犯罪所得我想這個我們的這個詐騙的防治條例我們是47條是規定犯詐欺犯罪在偵查及歷次審判中均自白如有犯罪所得自願繳交其犯罪所得者減輕其刑 |
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哇 結果看起來是這後面有軍師會教這個車手都說沒有犯罪所得沒有犯罪所得不用繳交所以我想請教次長齁是不是可以清楚的定義到底犯罪所得是我剛剛念的兩百六十萬兩百五十萬或者是五十九萬這三次的當車手去給人家拿的是犯罪所得還是他的報酬是犯罪所得我想次長這個是要清楚的定義一下 |
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各位報告齁 這個在修法之後本部跟相關的講到這一關我們一直是主張這個犯罪所得是指被害的金額啦 詐騙的金額就被騙的金額對對對 而不是說犯罪所得但如果他們零所得他自白就可以減刑這不是我們當初立法的目的我們立法要加重這個刑責就是他前提他必須要繳交他的整個詐欺的犯罪的那些財務損失才叫做 才讓他減那這個問題事實上在實務上已經產生一個爭議嘛齁 |
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那現在事實上我們的這個最高法院的大法庭他即將要就這個案子來進行相關的統一解釋我們就等到最高法院他做一個實務上的見解一個統一就是我剛念的這個案子不是這個案子實務上有類似的情形類似的狀況所以現在我要跟次長說現在真的就是車手氾濫而且這些車手咧第一個有些狀況說車手也是被害人說車手也是被騙的 |
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說他可能只是去一個一家公司應徵然後叫他去那邊當個跑腿結果他就變成車手但是我感覺不管是不是都要處罰啦車手在實務上他是共犯啊對他是共犯啊可是問題很多車手他會主張他是被害人啊他會說我也是風騙的啊但是沒關係次長你剛才說的意思很清楚車手也是共犯我就支持你這句話 |
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車手不要再裝無辜,每個車手都很會裝無辜,看鞭筋有型跟沒型,看鞭筋要打動錢跟不動錢,這樣而已但是具體個案上就是法官去判斷他是不是...當然啦,法官有短緩判斷,但是我對法院的判斷非常的不滿,他就是輕判,車手就是輕判 |
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該罰的錢沒有罰對車手該應該要有的扣押作為我們法務部有做嗎扣押我們是長期以來我們都要求檢察官甚至通行要求檢察官那第一時間就要進行相關的查扣針對車手個人的一些財產狀況犯罪所得我們都要積極的進行查扣這部裡面很重要的一個政策方向 |
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犯罪所得,當然犯罪所得是我剛剛講的啊是指他的被害人的傷害就是犯罪所得啊不是說他有沒有報仇啊他可能每次報仇就我遭一招我捏幾萬塊一開他就沒了結果他就說沒有犯罪所得法官還相信欸 |
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事實上這是法官量刑的問題啦我們有很多次跟司法院召開相關會議我們希望他在這個量刑的因子的部分可以多增加一些事實上我具體建議以後法官這種輕判的 法務部硬起來改記者回答 換你每次回答各位報告我們相關的法紮專法有要求檢管官要求刑可以求刑 甚至可以要求檢管官要上訴在延遲編通終結後我們會有具體求刑的要求啊問題法官想做什麼我們都不知道 |
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他不知道這些車手氾濫就是現在詐騙最嚴重的因為很多詐騙都是在虛擬世界完成他的詐騙行為但是總是要怎麼拿到錢就是實體交易啊啊這個實體交易就車手最貴分所以這部分法務部法院都要繼續這樣侵犯我認為我們該要對社會發聲我們也是要對社會發聲不可能讓法務部這樣搞 |
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讓那個司法院這樣搞好不好所以我還是給因為我知道啦打詐這件事情從我們所有的檢察官我們所有的基層的警力大家都很辛苦都很用心投入但是打詐還是這麼多最嚴重的就是車手輕判這件事我們要正視好不好好 謝謝 |