| IVOD_ID |
159159 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159159 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T12:26:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T12:34:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770fe131428ab275b0a1b0efe61acdb48b4e86f8ffab8834d983b70c920121590e455ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葛如鈞 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:26:26 - 12:34:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【如本院改為加開院會，則本次會議取消，不另行通知。】） |
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好謝謝主席有請數位發展部部長請部長好 |
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各位好部長好首先本席肯定數位部推動各項這個數位政策那這個近期你們有一個數位皮夾的計畫我想問一下這一本這個今天的這個業務概況報告有沒有提到數位皮夾我看了很久沒看到只看到mydata有嗎有數位皮夾嗎第幾頁有嗎有還是沒有 |
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因為這是一個很大的計畫我很高興啊 它是一個新的計畫但是沒在裡面啊 這個我們現在2025年這個業務概況報告 研發的過程有嗎我漏看了喔 對不對17頁 好 OK這個也希望依據我們這個相關的資料有寫到數位皮夾嗎 對不對好 我們來好好的關注一下 |
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也讓這個部長可以依據這個報告我們就可以來回應我先幫你們廣告一下就是什麼是數位皮夾它其實就是數位憑證那可以幫助我們的生活更方便所以我想有這樣的事情大家都一起來合作但是我想速發部過去在推動一些應用上面是有一些潛力也希望部長能夠跟同仁一起繼續教訓打造通茶網其實在去年這個封測結束以後曾經有說12月要重新上架 |
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那我們現在呢 是已經三月份了 系統還沒看到請問是不是已經上線了對 那個我們一月多就請各部會幫忙測試那已經報院 那院只要通過我們就上架所以現在是院在測就對了啦仔細小心啦 是不是 是這樣嗎那有沒有預計什麼時候要上 |
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就是我們這個行政院這個因為現在在行政院測試我們是希望盡快但是這個還在跟行政院沒有時間表現在希望在就是對就是盡快好希望加速另外呢這個碎皮夾的這個計畫我想我也再次幫你們廣告忘記帶證件也ok但是呢其實我們現在有看到這個計畫有可能在未來會出現一些技術整合的問題 |
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因為這整個計畫一下子說是身份一下子又說是憑證一下子又說健保卡但是我們又看到幾個點第一個我們現在台灣所使用的這個憑證多半是採用X509的這個簽證系統 |
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那本來數位評價裡面是沒有簽章的部分或簽章是比較晚去做的但是現在我們在記者會還有很多的這個地方都看到好像之後可以做簽章但是記者會裡面記者問說能不能憑數位評價內的健保卡掛號結果又是不行所以到底是要不要帶證件要不要帶卡 |
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這個部長有沒有了解這個逐步推動因為現在在衛福部這一邊他們現在是先把一些就是這個我剛講健保卡的因為健保卡的這個牽涉到後端有很多醫療陣營所的那個所以數位皮卡的計畫最後到底要不要帶健保卡出門 |
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希望將來是可以把健保卡放在皮夾裡面但是這個是逐步所以這一次編列的這個數位皮夾預算有沒有包含這個部分我們在臉底的沙盒裡面最後會有有還是沒有健保卡跟後端整合的部分在這次預算並沒有包含沒有嘛可是這次預算有做健保卡數位化 |
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這個我想部長要搞清楚啦因為我覺得民間現在有點搞得一團混亂一下又說不用帶健保卡一下又說沒有辦法就是這個驗證健保卡但是你你你又說一下又說有簽章的部分又說沒有包含這個預算大家有點搞不清楚一定要講清楚不然的話會發生一些系統相容性的疑慮因為我們目前的 |
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各大憑證政府內部的憑證都是需要用傳統的簽章機制但是你們現在並不是傳統的簽章機制因為簽章可能放在後期甚至這一次預算裡都沒有所以你們如果推了這個我說健保卡放進去可以做所謂的VC那其他的部會如果要驗證你的健保卡是否Valid或者是否日期沒有過期那他還要再發展他自己的掃碼的這個所謂的查核 |
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就是說變成說未來有可能會有多個系統公務員公務機關很可能醫院等等還要一手拿手機一手插讀卡機會不會有這樣的狀況啊多重驗證的狀況我們當然是希望不會啦所以這個東西將來就是說在我們在整合說為什麼沙盒就是把這些問題能夠再把它就是在這裡面過程中把它排除 |
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好我提示部長在過去只要有沙盒到最後進去的都不一定出得來但希望這個跨部會的整合可以讓沙盒可以更順利同時這個沙盒的測試也應該要趕快開始沙盒什麼時候啟動數位評價 |
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這位委員這邊就寫三月底啟動我這邊是我寫的啊你們也是三月底嗎好那要儘快同時呢壓力資安跟法律的測試要到位上一次通查網的計畫希望大家記取教訓上一次有很多資安法律各自的問題同時我們這次數月皮夾說會開放程式碼請問我們開放程式碼使用是哪個license |
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開放城市碼部分的license我們目前使用的會是open source initiative就是開放城市促進會的標準 |
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能不能大家可以自己fork自己build可以還是不可以可以自己fork自己build是他可以自己fork自己build太好了謝謝最後還有一個點啦謝謝這個趙偉再給我一點點時間你們在官方的頁面上面有提出你們會使用區塊鏈的技術但是這一次呢 |
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有這個民間的這個業者還有研究者發現整場記者會完全沒有提及區塊鏈也沒有實作區塊鏈請問第一你們到底有沒有用區塊鏈左邊這張圖是你們自己官網上的第一到底有沒有用區塊鏈第二用哪一個區塊鏈第三標案裡面到底有沒有區塊鏈的工作是有區塊鏈那細節是不是請那個 |
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跟我們回報 碩皮證皮夾本身的三個機構發證持有跟驗證不會用到區塊鏈可是有一個東西會用到就是可信任清單就是誰可以發證 知道 用哪一個區塊鏈對這塊會用到區塊鏈那至於用哪一個鏈目前還在評估中 是所以沙盒不會驗到這個部分那你信任清單在沙盒裡面你要存在哪裡目前還沒有在沙盒裡面去驗信任清單 |
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會規劃進去只是現在3月底的部分我們是會三合十除了是發證跟那個驗證這兩端好所以沒有希望好最後我想希望這個通查網的報告可以提出過去這個狀況以及現在到底什麼時候要推出 |
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就等你們這個院測試啦那我想這個報告不要節省你們多一點時間這個左邊這個要求我就取消但是希望可以早一點提出第二希望有技術相關的公聽會要有品證技術的社群代表第三呢數位評價區塊鏈技術早一點讓我們了解可不可以再有這樣的一個公聽會可以召開讓這個業界產業都可以進去 |
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應該是可以是跟委員報告今年會召開大概20層左右的各式會議那這部分我們要把它放在裡面要有憑證專家要有區塊鏈專家好不好希望不要辜負我們科技之島的美名是好謝謝謝謝謝謝部長謝謝 |