| IVOD_ID |
159156 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159156 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-15-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T12:21:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T12:29:31+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f011fe345d5f6a7c22f58198bcf8270c186f8ffab8834d983f856b9dc284de10f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:21:49 - 12:29:31 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
(變更議程)立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長劉世芳、經濟部、交通部、金融監督管理委員會、台灣電力股份有限公司就「公寓大廈裝設電動車輛充電裝置之相關法令、國家標準、建築設計、管理維護、火災預防措施及相關保險類別與要保人之認定」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【本次會議若因當日加開院會而停開，不再另行通知】） |
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謝謝主席 我們請董次長次長有請次長好 大家也都很關心可能跟目前社區有越來越多的趨勢那我先請問一下現在這個全國你們有沒有統計過就是說有關這個社區來裝設這個充電樁的比例大概是多高 |
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剛剛跟委員報告因為目前全台灣大概有4萬多的工藝大廈管理委員會我們即使是跟這些工藝大廈管理委員會去確認也都還沒有很清楚的答案所以目前我們會詳細再調查所以現在也不知道說有多少個社區有設這個充電樁完全不知道那它目前設充電樁的法源在哪裡 |
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他設充電樁的法源他當然就是依據他那個相關的電業法的規範去設置還有工藝大廈管理條例的一些規章我們在108年的時候我們有規範我看各個縣市政府他們都是只有 |
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一個指引一個指引嘛對不對那個指引應該是內政部給的指引嘛對不對所以在公寓大廈管理條例裡面其實都還沒有嘛對不對所以我們現在就是要把它法制化因為指引不夠嘛因為涉及到很多的問題剛才不管是講到保險的問題生命財產安全的問題這些都必須要法制化不是一個指引才能做的嘛對不對那請問一下那現在的問題是 |
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在哪裡就是說你們這個指引到現在有多久的時間了因為其實關鍵點就在於說放在這個工藝大廈裡面它到底有什麼樣的消防顧慮那在建築的防火區劃裡面到底要怎麼定義清楚因為這個定義清楚以後它就會涉及到你後續要更改相關的設備它所必須要付出的成本 |
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那這些成本計算出來也要讓這個管委會了解也就是說當我車子下去我要確保這整棟大樓的消防安全的時候那我應該大樓本身要承擔什麼樣的責任那這些責任會換算成成本也會換算成相關部會大家必須要來共同來探討就會像有保險的部分有消防設備的部分那哪一些是管委會要來負擔哪些是車主負擔 |
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那甚至追溯到有沒有可能是原來進口的車商也要協助做一些負擔那這樣的話才有辦法把這一部分最後落到各個相關的法規去是這個意思好那所以我其實這樣聽起來其實你說要經過管委會的同意然後要設這個充電樁困難度還蠻高的 |
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比如說如果要達到一定的消防安全的標準所以我們為什麼在之前也會鼓勵就是說做一些事情說他可以優先先在戶外的開放空間先設那讓住戶大樓比較習慣那樣子的一個操作那或許對他們要下去的話心中的疑慮會比較輕一點現在有沒有區分比如說現在已經就有社區他如果整個要去改什麼電線啊怎麼樣的那一定困難重重嘛 |
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但是如果新的社區呢新的社區有沒有說你們有一些指引規章之類的就是說在新的社區我們在建造的時候那其實就可以符合你剛才所講的那些規範因為108年其實我們修法的時候那已經有通過就在108年 |
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以後申請建造的那其實它有相關的管路設備管路都要預留所以108現在114了這個五六年的時間科技也一直在發展所以以前的108年的規範到現在還是適用嗎那個部分是沒有問題就是說那是預留管線空間避免它還要在設的時候很可能還要再做變更始造這樣的一個困擾 |
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那至於就是說他單獨預留這個充電設備跟變壓系統那其實在台電那邊都已經有預先都有做好一些相關的規範如果你這個不要影響原有的這個那我請問一下那現在新的社區有在按照你們這個規範在走嗎 |
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這個我們還沒有調查不過應該說法規上已經幫他們把路都開好了那所以實際上你們也不知道說有這個規章了那新的社區到底有多少的社區要蓋的時候是符合這個規定的你們也現在是一定要因為在建有基礎規則他已經把它講清楚了這是一定要所以現在新的社區 |
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就一定會預留這個充電裝了嗎預留這個空間但是要不要做還是要管委會同意就對了那現在管委會你們現在我覺得最大問題就是管委會因為畢竟有這個電動車的人不多那你這麼多的這個祝福裡面你說要去同意我覺得基本上第一關就卡住了第一關是要管委會同意嗎 |
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跟委員報告我想最主要的重點應該是這樣就是說剛剛我們署長已經說的說明非常清楚我們最重要的是安全啦安全的規範上面我們的SOP相關的指引都做得清楚之後其實我們把資訊明確化公開化我想管委會區權會在召開的時候他們就會覺得比較安全又保障這是所有的問題的關鍵我問一下現在管委會這個要同意的比例是多少三分之二 |
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三分之二哇 這很難三分之二 對那你們有新的規定就是說如果要修法的話有把它降低嗎對 會把它降低降低到你們現在大概是降低到多少我們好像是五分之一嘛 |
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我們現在目前的提案是有要把它降低那這因為在送院以後院就是審查完沒有說要推動所以我們的確是會降低會降低但是比例就是還要再還要再討論就對了因為這個問題今天當然是討論這個議題很好但是我看這個好像因為內政部這邊你們的這個條文也還沒有出來就變成說比較難去聚焦因為涉及到範圍是相當的多所以我看今天來的單位也很多 |
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我就希望說就這個議題大家能夠再去討論一下不然你現在舊的社區你說要現有管理會要同意基本上是難如登天不過我再問一下就是現在社區跟你們現在戶外的比如說我們很多公有停車場也都設有這個充電樁那規範不一樣嗎公共的會在各個停車場是交通部嗎交通部這邊有訂定交通部已經有訂定我簡短主席不好意思我簡短問一下 |
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那那個有關於這個我們譬如說我們這個公有停車場的部分 |
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各位有沒有 基本上我們公共停車相關的一個設施的一個標準都是要符合電業法或相關系設施的一個標準來訂定的對啊 你這樣講我當然知道啦就是說現在因為新的這個 比如說規範嘛比如說因為電動車起火它可能要用跟我們一般的這個起火要去滅火的器具可能就不太一樣了啊這些都是有規範在內就對了 |
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跟委員報告我們內政部會根據這些相關目前所會發生的狀況我們透過防火係數等等相關的參考我們會去制定新的SOP然後跟交通部一起討論包括在大廈的然後在那個法控跟公共空間我們都會各自有不同的規範好 所以這個有得討論謝謝 謝謝主席好 謝謝 |