| IVOD_ID |
159132 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159132 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T11:51:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T11:57:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770fc6d30d62860b93c56de99780e8e5978686f8ffab8834d98379d122fef1d5156d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:51:27 - 11:57:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【本次會議若因當日加開院會而停開，不再另行通知】） |
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那我們下一位請盧明財委員 盧明財委員 盧明財委員不在王美惠委員 王美惠委員 王美惠委員不在請翁曉琳委員質詢謝謝趙偉 首先請陳主委好 請主委 |
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委員早是 陳主委好我想您大概很知道我們在這個會期立法院有一個很重要的法案將要推動就是媒體議價法您知道我們這個會期的重要的法案是 我知道 我了解您對於媒體議價法的看法是如何 |
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這個議題其實在幾年前就開始我們持續有在關注跟研析所以從公平會的角度呢委員如果了解公平會的角度的話我們原則上我們是鼓勵協商鼓勵平台業者跟媒體業者來協商那協商的過程當中如果遇到平台業者有刻意的杯葛 |
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那我們會提供競爭法上的一個分析跟協助那當然如果協商的過程當中有涉及到數位平台業者有涉及到公平法一些不法的行為我們本來以公平法就可以處理 |
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您認為說從我們現在國家的國力來講我們有這個條件跟美國來協商嗎跟美國或者這些重要的社群平台或是在網路上面的這些影音平台我們有這個能力可以跟他們去進行協商嗎進行合理的協商 |
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我想公平會我覺得我不太適合去說有沒有這個能力但是我們會確保那個協商的管道的存在事實上本席還蠻質疑公平會的角色你們有沒有做過就是在台灣目前的 |
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社群網路平台的這個市佔比例各個不同的網路社群平台包括影音平台那現在在台灣的前三名是哪幾個如果以影音平台來講的話我們前三名的話一個是Facebook然後您說的是如果是影音平台再過來可能就是 |
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IG跟LINE這樣子這是社群平台如果是影音平台呢影音平台的話就是YouTube是第一的那這是其他的都是比較弱比較弱的好我們知道其實其他國家歐盟美國那麼等這些國家他們對於像是臉書FBGoogle |
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YT等等他們都認為有壟斷市場的問題所以像近期歐盟就重罰了FB特別在分類廣告的部分重罰了他274億 |
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那么Google其实在之前也曾经被美国的司法部招判就是说他滥用市场的地位有垄断之嫌然后所以要求他拆分那俄罗斯他在去年也是对这个YTGoogle旗下的这个YT服务认为说他有滥用市场主导的地位也予以处罚请问公平会在这些议题上面你们的角色是什么你们的看法是什么 |
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委員剛剛提到幾個案例有些我們處理過譬如說Google要求預載在電腦平台裡面預載一些他們的軟體那我們經過深入的調查跟研析雖然最後調查結果跟國外不見得一致但是那個過程我們的確有對數位平台市場做了深入的了解那另外一個問題就是跟委員回答一下就是說數位平台當然都很大而且很可能都已經達到獨佔但是從公平法的執法我們看的是行為 |
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就是說我們調查的重點會是在於說你有沒有去把這個市場力量轉換為你濫用把用什麼行為來排除所以你們認為到現在為止臉書跟Google在我們台灣沒有濫用它的市場沒有因為它的這個市場地位 |
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有濫用市場地位有一些不法的或不合我們的行為去我們看到國外的判決我們看到國外的處分我們都會去掌握然後我們會把這樣的東西轉換成國內我們事實上有做過市場調查我們去問業者說像國外發生這些行為在台灣有沒有存在那事實上我們收回來的問卷基本上其實大部分都說這個在台灣還不是一個問題我想要講的就是這個Google 臉書 |
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YT然後乃至於應該這樣分啦就社群平台跟影音平台其實在台灣哪一個業者他市場力量大這眾所皆知而且我相信你們的報告很清楚YT一定是在整個的影音平台的 |
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這個比例是最高的那其實其次也許才談到什麼TikTok或是小紅書啦等等之類那麼可是呢我在這些年我沒有看到公平會有很積極的作為當其他國家陸陸續續都判斷都是認定這些業者在他們的國家的市場上已經有這個壟斷或獨佔的這樣的一個情況可是呢我們卻沒有積極的要求 |
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或是对于民众的一些表达的一些不满的意见来进行处理我希望公平会是不是可以在两个礼拜之内可以把你们做的言行报告提供给本席一份然后把台湾的现行的所有的网络社群平台里面各个业者的市占比 |
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还有就是影音平台我觉得就两个区分一个网络社区平台包含LINE等等然后另外一个就是影音平台在现在台湾的市占比是多少然后以及你们对于他们有没有这个已经构成了公平法里面这个有主导市场的这样的一个地位请你们提份也许包括给本席参考是没问题谢谢 |