| IVOD_ID |
159124 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159124 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-35-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T11:05:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T11:14:56+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f0d0bda0b582f74156b0a9b5bba3c53abff1cdb1affc83ff474881cda51d8a84a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:04 - 11:14:56 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長報告「國機國造交機進度及勇鷹高教機失事後檢修情況」，並備質詢。） |
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那現在按照規定,國防部應該是由誰代表巡檔?是由...中副部長中副部長是不是?對OK,好來請黃委員好副部長好喔台灣民眾黨向來的立場我們絕對支持給我們的國軍弟兄最好的資源我們要給他們最好的設備 |
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我們要給他們可以阻止敵人來犯的武器才可以捍衛台灣的國家安全我相信這不僅僅是台灣民眾黨的立場而且是全民的共識但是我對於吸納稅人的血拿國家的錢胡搞瞎搞置國軍弟兄的安危於不顧 |
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的不肖廠商跟官商勾結我是深惡痛絕這種人一定要嚴查嚴辦到底副部長贊不贊成贊成所以我從去年開始我就一直在追一堆垃圾廠商從中國進口劣質的原料 |
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搞那種抗彈布防彈纖維防彈背心根本沒有辦法維護本國我們所有基層士兵的安全這件事我為什麼一而再再而三的追啊因為這些廠商從我的觀點來講基本上就是垃圾就是遏制的廠商要辦到底啊副部長贊不贊成是贊成嗎贊成贊成嘛但有嗎有嗎 |
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我在追查的時候我發現很奇怪這一些從中國進口劣質的原料 致國家安全於不顧致我們基層士兵的安危於不顧的垃圾廠商結果竟然連停權都沒有辦法做所以我就開始追啊 怎麼會有這麼離譜的事情結果有一個媒體叫靖州刊 他說 |
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這個是因為依照工程會的調解,所以沒有看採政府採購公報依照工程會的調解,所以沒有辦庭權把責任推給我們政府機關,這個事情大條因為包括辦這個調解的工程會,包括參與調解的國防部竟然依照調解的內容,縱放這種垃圾廠商這天大地大的事情 |
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結果呢 結果全部都是假訊息全部都是假訊息以後 來請問一下我們的國防部啊現在做了什麼事情這種假訊息可以不用追究來請副部長對不起我沒有請你代答有關委員剛剛講的就是我們在111年10月的12號我講過的東西不用複述啦現在我的問題很簡單嘛你們國防部回函給我嘛 |
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國防部回函給我說什麼說這個陳述非屬事實嘛消息來源不是來本部嘛哇 那事情嚴重喔 |
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一個媒體喔公開的散播假訊息啊污蔑國防部啊還捏造是國防部的回應啊這知識體大沒有得到國防部的授權說這是國防部的回應結果散播的還是假訊息啊嚴重的國安問題啊副部長這件事情可以不追究嗎來請教 |
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不要迴避問題,要不要追究?該不該追究?有沒有追究?說清楚後續我們會...後續?你們什麼時候發現是假訊息?你們去年10月30號就發現是假訊息啊?到現在做了什麼處理?除了回函給我做了什麼處理?第一個部分是我們已經有發布新聞稿來正式的澄清然後散播假訊息的人法律責任要不要追究? |
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那第二個部分是已經通知廠商來解約,並且列入口號一個一個來啦,不要混淆問題啊剛我的問題清楚明瞭嘛這種散播假訊息的媒體捏造國防部的回應啊,責任要不要追究 |
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要還是不要還是從國防部的立場沒關係啦被人家散播假訊息我國防部也是摸摸鼻子就算了因為被因為散播假訊息啊的那個媒體綠營後台很硬我國防部也得罪不起是這樣嗎來請副部長說清楚齁要不要追究責任 |
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要不要因為對於假訊息的部分我們大部分都是發布新聞稿來做一個這樣就算了喔哇 那你們國防部對付捏造國防部訊息的軟趴趴這很嚴重耶這是國防部向來的立場嗎這個立場對嗎散播假訊息要不要追究還是看情況如果利盈後台很硬就不追究 |
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否則的話才追究這是國防部的立場嗎來 說清楚目前對任何的爭議跟假訊息不會有任何政黨的立場好 所以要不要追究還是不追究 算了是這樣嗎 要不要追究 |
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因為對於正義的訊息我們目前是以新聞稿的方式來對嘛 所以我說國防部軟趴趴嘛那你的立場今天很嚴重喔以後任何人代表我們的國防部散播假訊息結果國防部唯一的處置就是發布新聞稿副部長你覺得這個態度對嗎要不要重新檢討後續我們跟法律師做個研究之後啊 需要多久 |
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376.031 |
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要研究多久去年10月30號現在已經3月了啦軟趴趴昏睡沉睡到現在了啦還要再睡多久 |
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需要跟法律師研究多久 這問題很困難嗎我們兩週之內跟委員做個說明兩週之內 不用跟我回覆啊 所有回覆我是跟所有外交國防委員會的委員回覆啊跟台灣社會說明啊我們的國防部啊 在面對啊這種垃圾假訊息的時候啊 的態度是什麼是軟趴趴嗎還是我們散播假訊息的要關三天要不要處理對假訊息我們一定會馬上的來做澄清跟說明來 第二個 |
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434.229 |
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我上次追聯合再生聯合再生在我們的國防要塞專會嚴重影響有國安疑慮的資通訊產品結果什麼結果我追了半天你們拖了半天終於解約了來問一下東西拆完了沒有東西拆完了沒有終止契約以後終止契約很簡單嘛 |
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435.598 |
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444.986 |
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你佔用我們國防要塞的地的東西全部給我拆得乾乾淨淨土土地還過來現在拆的進度如何?現在都在法院 |
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跟委員報告上次去年委員所指導的我們都已經依規定都已經解除他的企業目前拆除的部分該廠商都有在行政訴訟現在都在法院審理中我們一定會依照這個法律相關規定一定要嚴格來執行以上報告你報告錯了啦他不可能提行政訴訟 |
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有 現在都是 他提的是行政訴訟嗎這是永陽公司跟那個企業關係的訴訟他們都提出企業關係的訴訟我老實跟你講 那個叫民事訴訟對 民事訴訟四個假處分法院都准了嗎只有准了一個 三個還在訴訟中沒有 只有准一個 其他三個你為什麼不猜只有一個定暫時狀態的處分我知道嘛其他三個都沒有定暫時狀態的處分可以不猜喔 |
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可以不用猜喔你們國防部到底是在怎麼保護軍事要塞的啊軟趴趴成這個樣子啊一個拿到定戰時狀態的處分我知道所以我問你其他三個為什麼不用猜現在是在訴訟中公司有提出來在民事訴訟中不要講這種模擬兩可的東西啦他有申請定戰時狀態的處分法院還沒准嘛法院還沒准他該不該猜當然該猜嘛 |
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如果法院還沒有准他都可以不用猜那他何必去申請定戰時狀態的處分那個定戰時狀態的處分有什麼意義國防部加油一點好不好硬起來好不好還是因為這個聯合再生有綠營的背景軟趴趴一模一樣國防部看到聯合再生就要跪下去硬起來好不好 |
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556.547 |
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581.897 |
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可以嗎?副部長跟委員報告沒有任何政黨的一個背景的理智反對對啊但是你們做出來哩哩啦啦啦人民看不懂我也看不懂啊我們都要保護台灣的國家安全啊這種廠商做這麼惡質的事情結果國防部軟趴趴成這個樣子回去檢討需要多久?一樣兩個禮拜好不好?可以嗎? |
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591.529 |
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我們兩個禮拜之後把辦理的情形跟委員做個說明後續我們還是要依法來辦理當然要依法來辦理嘛好 時間到 |