| IVOD_ID |
159122 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159122 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T11:31:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T11:40:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770fcab5d6fc28cb8b336de99780e8e59786ff1cdb1affc83ff4c1ddeb1cac72fbc55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴瑞隆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:34 - 11:40:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【本次會議若因當日加開院會而停開，不再另行通知】） |
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我首先請教一下公民會成立30年來有出現過主委嫌缺的狀況嗎 |
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過去曾經有過主委提前離職提前離職所以我曾經副主委短暫代理過短暫代理但沒有像這樣子整個懸缺的就是那個不是從一開始就懸缺這是第一次這是第一次啦齁那當時沒有通過的原因其實當時看起來是包括幾位藍白的批評的是因為當時受原來被提名的主委被提名李美 |
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他沒有制止洪才龍的一個發言然後沒有制止此事所以導致他也被那個不是他自己出問題是他當主席或什麼沒有制止那這個陳代主委那你現在當主席了如果有委員這是合議制的委員如果要發言的話你要不要制止未來類似像這樣狀況你要不要制止 |
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我想我也知道在委員會裡面每個委員獨立行職職權那當然也包含主委副主委所以我們當然有自己的看法所以假設我就如同在之前這個案子如果我覺得這個是不對的或是不妥當的我會發言但是最後的決議還是要委員多數的多數決來決定那我也會尊重委員多數的一個意見所以你不會去制止其他委員的發言嗎他有發言的權利我會提醒 |
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就如同在這個案子裡面我會提醒說這個可能有一些跟法律有一點出入的地方那當然最後委員因為不同的委員有不同的評估也許他們不認為有那這個我都尊重每個委員一樣大啦當然主委副主委也是那個但每個委員會就是合一致嘛那當然尊重委員的發言的權益當然會提醒他注意但是 |
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沒有權力 竹委就一定制止誰一定不能發言嘛對不對不行對 那因為這樣的理由就把一個竹委給封殺掉我認為這個太過分啦就是說竹委沒有這樣的權力完全制止一個委員完全不能發言如果不能發言的話那還叫委員會制嗎就失去委員會制所以將來竹委你也會遇到這樣的問題所以我認為其實用這樣的理由來封殺李美竹委我認為其實是不公平的 |
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因為這是立委的權限啦所以我不太適合發表任何的看法但我只是認為在委員會裡面每一個委員都獨立行使職權所以將來因為你現在代理主委嘛你會主持會議的其他委員如果有意見表達的時候我一定讓他們暢所欲言你會讓暢所欲言每個委員的權利是一樣的但是你會提醒他們嘛對不對那最後的結果是合議制嘛合議來做決定的嘛我覺得這樣子國家制度要這樣建立才會走得長久啦那我可以提醒所有的 |
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提醒所有的立委同事們在處理人事案不應該用這樣的方式來做否決你可以用任何原因去否決他但是用這樣的理由否決他這是亂了國家的制度也亂了一個委員會公平委員會的該有的一個制度我認為這個是不對的我認為這是不對任何人都可能遭遇這個狀況都不應該用這樣的理由去否決他 |
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好我第一要講這個第二個是我想要問一下這一次的公民會很多的業務費包括他被刪了526萬被凍結了30%1276萬我問一下主委代理主委這個凍結會不會影響到業務的進行 |
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我想應該就是已經影響了就是在調查上比如說同仁出去不管是交通費還是時數這些其實我們都必須要配合因為你的預算凍結你永遠不知道什麼時候解凍嘛對不對你不知道這個位置能不能解凍還是下個月才解凍那如果等到了下個月才解凍的話那你這個位置的錢當然要很省著用了嘛所以你當然不敢操之的用你應該 |
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大家都已經是做最壞的打算可能這個凍結最後是不解凍的一定是做最壞的打算思考因為你沒有把握立法院一定聽你們的立法院怎麼可能聽你們的說一定解凍你沒有把握所以你必然尊潔使用所以這必然會影響到就像前面大家所講到的又要公平會全力來做事又要把你的預算整個凍結成這樣子那如果我問一下現在已經實質影響到了對不對 |
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就是在業務單位在派同仁出去調查案子這個過程當中我們就必須要重新再調整因為不管是時速交通等等所以這就是影響了嘛對不對對就是會產生影響那如果這個會期沒辦法解凍的話拖到下個月9月之後才做解凍的話會有什麼樣的影響 |
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我們當然就是在既有人力盡可能去調配啦但是就是那會不會影響到你們的相關的業務的進行跟調查的各方面的會不會影響到我是比較擔心那個調查還有案件決策的品質就是說如果說調查的人員少然後沒有充分的就是一方面調查的人員能夠派出去的少嘛二方面你要邀請來的可能也會被受到影響那你這樣你的品質就會受到影響甚至很多案件你可能只能就你既有人力去做一些調查就是就 |
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瑕疵就會變多啦有可能有這樣的可能啦對所以我認為這個都這個都是應該要盡速的我覺得動這麼多30%動的其實我坦白講我覺得動的太多啦而且恐怕這接下來能解到的方式就是一方面行政院有行政處理方式一方面我可能也要請立法院要盡速來做討論如果不解凍的話形同讓公聘會的功能會失去了一部分的這個功能的運作 |
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謝謝委員好 謝謝再來我想請教一下現在今天大家也都談到台積電跟Intel這樣的一個關係我先問一下台積電怎麼樣的狀況下因為它如果假如要併購或者是Intel的金融代工部門的話那什麼樣的狀況下會進到公平會來做審查 |
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第一個就是我們要觀察他的合作模式如果台積電跟這些美國企業合作模式屬於我們的結合我們公平法的結合定義那以目前台積電的市佔利益那個都很高所以他可能就必須要來跟公平會來申請結合審查再講得更清楚結合是怎麼樣的 |
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結合是什麼樣的狀況第十條總共列了五種情形就是譬如說當然收購股權這是一個類型合資也算合資在某些情況下收購主要的資產這個都可能構成結合所以這個都會結合那如果進到結合的話那進到結合就一定要進到公平會來做審查進到結合接下來看的是市佔率跟營業額那因為台積電它的市佔率跟營業額應該都超過都超過所以如果它有剛剛講到的併購或者是合資的話那就要進到公平會來做審查嘛 |
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好 那公平會會怎麼來審查這件事情一旦進到公平會審查我們當然就會依照這個他們合作的類型是屬於水平競爭者的合作還是有涉及到垂直還是多角化我們有不同的審查的結構會有一些不同的因素跟證據會去收集跟分析啦 |
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那些架構都已經在了所以我們有準備了所以公平會員已經做了準備了一旦如果有這樣的狀況發生公平會會善盡你們的職責來做這樣的一個審查那接下來我想講一下時間有限現在很多的傳銷它是用虛擬的貨幣來進行的公平會對這個部分會去加重查很多甚至於涉及到詐騙傳銷這個部分公平會能夠加強來做審查 |
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因為我們投影片上所提的這個Pi 這個我們有去了解這個是手機上的一個虛擬貨幣挖礦的一個軟體那因為虛擬貨幣本身現在不是法定的貨幣所以它是違法的 這個部分不會在我們的傳銷所以不會到你們的傳銷 直接違法就對了對對 刑法 直接刑法直接處理但如果你沒有掌握到直接就送去給法務部說刑法處理如果有這樣的情況我們可能如果有查到 你們相關查緝有查到就直接該送就送好嗎 |
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如果是屬於這種刑事違法就是依重檢調這份刑事的條例好那再來今天剛剛大家也提到一番賞的部分現在也有很多啦這種的一番賞的這個實體的來抽的這個很多店家詐騙啊甚至作弊平傳的部分這個部分公平會不會做處理嗎太涉及到廣告不實的問題啊對事實上我們處理過之前的唐奇科的那個案子 |
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那雖然最後是沒有罰款 但是基本上我們是認定他是違法的所以這種一番賞的行為 如果他本身是用廣告的方式來呈現那誤導消費者 他是有可能在我們這邊使用我還是希望公平化還是要持續的去做查查唯有你不斷的查查之後 他們才有壓力去防止這樣的行為的發生好不好這個其實也涉及到廣告不實的啊你明明說裡面有 但是事實上最後是沒有的嘛事實上就是廣告不實嘛所以我希望這一塊公平化還是要長 |
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最後一個啦 現在很多的網紅業配包括團購都是宣傳不實這個部分我看到公平會議已經有開罰了一件了未來會不會持續的加強來查處跟開罰我們當然既然已經有一個前例在那邊我們持續會觀察這類型的手段現在網路的時代越多這種網紅業配包括團購廣告不實會越來越多啦唯有公平會善盡你們的職責的時候才能夠減少受騙 減少消費者的受害好不好 請諸位要持續加強查查是 謝謝委員好 謝謝 辛苦了 謝謝 |