| IVOD_ID |
159110 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159110 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T11:00:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T11:11:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770faecb552030f9c501fc7dc3b86466824cff1cdb1affc83ff4c1dff94e1de332545ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:00:20 - 11:11:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
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主席請次長麻煩次長委員好黃次長好幾件這個問題民眾想要了解一下先看你的見解第一個民意代表立法委員率眾包圍法院率眾包圍檢察署這個有沒有違法 |
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因為這個是個案嘛,法律上當然會有相關的防礙公務我們要講個案,我是講...對,我就說在個案上他要事實認定啦從抽象來講,我們相關的法律規定當然有相關的防礙公務的一些規範啦防礙公務罪的一些規範啦,如果用強暴脅迫,支持我們公務的行使的話當然是有可能,但個案是不是符合當然要個案去認定 |
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可是我們的法院周邊不是不能有這樣的活動那是不能夠集會遊行那是有沒有違反集會遊行法的問題我現在為你問的是有沒有構成犯罪對有沒有構成犯罪他要回到我們刑法有沒有可能構成我們妨礙公務的執行這裡有沒有妨礙公務對那前提是他要有妨礙公務的執行 |
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就是說圍起來,沒有妨礙公務沒關係對,他有沒有犯罪跟有沒有違反極右法有時候不太一樣極右法可能是行政庁所以我要說,立法委員帶群眾去把地方法院包起來包起來喔,大花跟大小聲,這樣可以嗎 |
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委員我剛才已經回答委員問題他要回到我們的妨礙公務上面的構成要件要強暴協會或相關的妨礙公務的執行的構成要件去看而不是說他能不能集會這件事情OK好第二個 |
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請問這一個我們不管是受刑人或者是被羈押的人要這一個外出不管去醫院或者去家人病危或者是去奔喪你們有一張申請表就可以填那填了之後就核准不核准如果核准了核准以後的時間核准以後的時間按照規定 |
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要不要通知家屬各位我們這個羈押法還有我們的監獄刑警法還有我們受刑人相關的反加探知辦法裡面就這個通知家屬這件事情倒是他有一定的規範啦核准前當然不可能這個通知啊那核准後會不會跟他講幾點幾分會到 |
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這個其實有一些安全上的考慮啦那基本上原則上是不會通知啦幾點幾分到我們不會通知啦通知家屬這件事情原則上不會通知家屬那請問誰會知道 |
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那警方知道警方可以公告周知嗎? |
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這個當然是警察執行職務他一個內控的問題那你覺得按站在你們介護的角度我們當然不希望他不希望警察局對外有透露任何的訊息 |
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那如果透露的話就違反了我們這個規範的目的我們規範的目的不讓他這個相關的在外面的話希望安全上的考量嘛或者他本身受監督的考量我們當然不希望這個消息讓太多人知道他會影響我們相關的戒護第三啊最近有這一個這個中國人士啊在台灣拍影片主張這一個武統 |
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武力統一台灣在台灣做這樣的主張在台灣做這樣的主張有沒有違法 |
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各位報告這涉及到就是說他言論自由跟相關犯罪的界限的問題他言論自由我們要保障那如果說他的言論自由超過了憲法規定的界限的話那其實有可能過程犯罪所以我們國防部他就提了一個宣誓效忠的一個相關的草案他把這個如果說你對這個敵對團體宣誓效忠的話他也是一個言論他有可能會過程犯罪所以他基本上透過一個法律上的一個保留把他規定的犯罪如果沒有的話他只是單純言論的話 |
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言論本身自由我們也應該要以保障你的意思是說一台灣有人可以一台灣大聲話武統台灣非和平手段統一台灣跟委員報告這個個案其實認定喔這個我不說我是說他基本上言論自由言論本身是自由但言論自由本身他還是有界限的嘛一定要有界限嘛不是你這個要給大家講清楚今天有一個人不管你是中國人還是台灣人不管你來一台灣喔 |
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這臺灣注定喔 注定有你統一臺灣這個我要辦不來我們心法上它有可能有其他商貨犯罪有可能你商貨他人犯罪或商貨他人推翻一個他有可能會構成商貨罪所以我就說個案上他要去認定而不是說單純的言論本身是不是構成犯罪那我們反滲透法的主張採取非和平手段危害我國儲家主權這在講什麼 |
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這個是我們境外敵對勢力的定義反滲透法就是敵對勢力什麼叫做敵對勢力它在我們第二條有規定你要主張戰爭或你要主張用非和平的方式來影響國家安全那現在全世界有誰主張要用非和平的手段來危害中華民國主權 |
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各位這個就要個案去認定,這個不是個案我沒有辦法判斷,因為我們的反省鬥法沒有規範是哪一個國家全世界啊,全世界啊,全世界有對一個國家啦主張說要用非和平手段危害我國主權 |
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我剛已經跟各位報告所以我們反制鬥法它沒有規範是哪一個國家喔它是用敵對勢力這個名詞去定義非合併的方法去影響國家安全它不講哪一個國家,是要個案去認定好,那最近陸委會啊這個針對一位中國人在台灣主張武統已經說這個人要掛回去 |
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這個會跟法務部有關嗎?這沒有 這個是移民的問題 入境移民法 或者是兩岸關係條例所以這叫你們都沒有關係 陸委會叫移民署好 那如果這個人他主張武統 然後他接收到敵對勢力的資助 就叫你們有關係嗎? |
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這個我們反滲透法他如果受到這個這個這個傷害來源的的資助指示委託資助他當然有可能會構成相關反滲透法的相關規範阿就叫法務部相關的單位有關的喔如果他涉及犯罪如果啦對對對就是說這一 |
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這中國人是台灣主流的事情委託指示 資助他如果去插頭說指示 委託 資助就進化敵對勢力了指示 委託 資助那就委婉反省都完嘛 |
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法律法律規範是這樣 受到境外敵對勢力的委託 資助 接下來做一個行為那行為也許是選罷法 也許是自由法 也許是相關的法律規範後面的規範 它再結合起來構成犯罪不是單純的受到指揮資助 本身會構成犯罪後面有另外一個行為這事情是法務部相關的單位 機關 |
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就是你們查的嗎?如果他構成犯罪的話,當然檢察官他要依法偵辦OK,好,這個是關於這個接下來啊,剛才吳思耀委員有講這個審委技術嘛 |
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請問你現在對防堵認知作戰,你的報告裡面有寫防堵認知作戰跟偽假訊息,不管透過影音圖文,你們現在是被動處理,還是主動處理?各位報告,我們調查局就這個深圍本身,它有成立一個小組,就這個它有積極在處理,它不是被動,它有積極在處理 |
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譬如說我們去找省委,我們去找省委,像我叫柯總召,我們就去找地檢署,像我們有去找嘛有些人可能去警察叫說,這要我用,這樣不行嘛這些案子查,現在查到這個案子,現在辦的這個情形是什麼,很難查 |
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或是查出來後,真的有人因為做這些的東西現在去用處罰,或是去用抓去關押嗎?相關的審委,相關法令近期來幾個修法,其實我們都把審委加進去,譬如說審委的這個姓名啊,譬如說審委的詐欺啊甚至我們審委的選罷法,都有一些犯罪規定,現在都加加進來了所以說,實務上一定有人因為審委被入罪的啦,判罪的一定有 |
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596.718 |
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但是我手上沒有資料你把我唸幾行而已你以為我去跟省委說我沒民進黨那剛剛我們看有沒有構成妨礙民意就省委這部分來妨礙民意的話我們修法未來也會加重它獨立於另外一個比較重的刑責但如果現行法省委沒有特別規範的話它如果構成妨礙民意或毀謗我們現行法上刑法310條309都可以處理啊那也是妨礙民意而已嘛對 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
599.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
620.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
就叫寫一些文字不太一樣,沒有特別就對了,所以你叫人家念這個叫跟姓有關的,就是跟你念三四行嘛,其他就沒有了,其他就說政治的啦我們選罷法就有,選罷法在去年修法之後就把身為相關的處罰行為它都有規範 |
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624.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
636.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
那規範是就是加重就獨立一個犯罪就獨立一個犯罪好我希望這個你來加強因為這越來越嚴重因為現在來如果選舉或是啟動什麼罷免如果有這些東西出來可能會影響整個台灣的政體好阿在法務部加油好謝謝 |