| IVOD_ID |
159099 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159099 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T10:43:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T10:54:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f07abcedf22a6ef876de99780e8e59786f83dc853112caf4511a9d0916dc8a51f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:49 - 10:54:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【本次會議若因當日加開院會而停開，不再另行通知】） |
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請邱志維委員謝謝主席 請陳主委好 請陳代理主委 |
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邱委員長 主委長 幾項問題請教主委就是上一期我們的預算審查我記得沒有錯的話大概整個公平會的預算我們是減列100萬在委員會審查的時候是凍結 |
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各科目大概加總期要凍結430萬所以是全力支持公平會的這個相關的預算然後讓你們業務能夠順利去執行但是很可惜的啊很遺憾的在在院會有國民黨跟這個民主黨提案把你們業務費 |
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檢列三層不是檢列 要凍結三層業務費大概4500左右三層大概就大概就1500萬對不對那你凍結業務費還要解凍這凍結三層對你業務推廣會不會造成影響 |
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這個一定是有影響的只有在案件的查處上比如說同仁到外面去調查案子還有內部的召開相關的會議等等這個三減數當然會對業務推展會有影響是啊又要馬而跑又要不給馬而吃草沒有這種道理啊要行政部門積極查處積極作為你又預算又給他檢列業務費是執行相關的公平會業務最重要的預算對不對 |
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檢定三分之一耶所以你們的工作能量三分之二當然巧婦難為無米之炊你也難去做到大家的期待跟要求因為你們預算不足委會是專業審查我們各黨派都有 |
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也經過好好的討論 也經過專業的評估才會做成這樣預算的決議凍結430萬 那時候各科目是合理的凍結凍結 然後大部分是書面 對不對而且才減列100萬那很可惜在院會這種結果您也說了 這個會對你們業務推動造成影響影響最大的部分是哪一方面的業務 |
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如果以三減數最高比例應該是國際業務三的60% |
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那這個部分的話就是影響到我們對國際間的互動還有一些對國際的承諾啦譬如說我們是APEC資料庫的建制單位我們是受APEC委託來建制這個國際的競爭法的資料庫您知道凍結你們的預算的這個提案啊這些提案的都不是經濟委員會委員這些委員從來沒有在經濟委員會待過也從來沒有對貴會質詢過可以說讓說他對貴會的業務完全不了解就天外飛來一筆 |
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隨他喜好 隨他的心情 大逼一揮就三層三層四層四層 五層五層國會墮落於此啊 莫以為勝啊又要求你們這個什麼樣樣都要做得好 又不給你們預算不只在公平會 每一個部位都碰到這種問題哪一家業務員沒說好就把你們這個數了半天 把你們這個說了半天 |
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然後問題是 你沒有預算給他 沒有預算給你 各部會他沒有辦法好好去執行所以為此公務人員是一個國家運作穩定的力量那國家最不穩定的力量 在立法院再進一步說國家最大的亂源之一 在立法院 |
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所以我們盡量在這個亂源之中保留一個我們的使命感我們的責任感讓這個亂流不至於失控所以真的是難為你們所以我這邊也不忍在你們業務上有更多的苛責因為預算被凍結到這種程度我請教幾個問題就是說 |
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工評會這個主動立案跟民眾檢舉的案件啊這部分這個我希望能夠多一點主動查處就是說這個你們從統計年報來看你們主動調查的案件是逐人遞檢那這部分呢大部分是很多你們立案的案件就是這個檢舉的案件占多多數所以為什麼會有這種狀況呢那個主委你們說明一下 |
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我想我們基本上在主動調查部分還是非常積極主要是從媒體上或是從一些相關的訊息管道如果我們知道有一些違反公平法我們就會主動那主動案件的減少它背後的原因當然很多 |
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那我覺得當然不排除我們會裡面可能未來要更精進這個訊息取得管道讓我們有更多的機會可以知道說可能的違法案件在哪裡你們人力的編制是多少人人力的編制人力大概200人總共總會大概200多人220人左右 |
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這個大家都夠病就是說有不實廣告的狀況充斥在這個所有的這個平台或者媒體對不對所以你要不要特別去主動去查處不實廣告不實廣告你有時候從這個這個藥品啊或者是這個其他的產品啊或者是這個投資啊所以你們要有一個 |
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分組針對不同的產品去做主動的查處特別是現在很多的不管是電台電視台或者是廣播或者是平面媒體或者是所謂的社群平台都有很多保健食品的廣告 |
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而且啦,保健食品它的這個占的篇幅還蠻長的,連每個廣告時段都有這時候他用這個,我也不知道是真是假啦,他用這個專業的醫師來做推薦他用名人來推薦,都是保健食品,說他療效多好而且這個廣告的時間蠻長的 |
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你看每天你去看這個電視台到底他們所這個販售的所廣告的這個保健食品 |
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到底是曾市委有沒有誇大這裡面有沒有去調查因為剛剛委員特別關切這個保健食品還有他們通常誇稱療效這部分其實是衛福部我們在部會分工上來講是屬於衛福部要來主管那當然如果不落入這個衛福部主管的部分但是它也是不實廣告嘛對 它是不實廣告但是因為衛福本身也可以管到關於食品衛生所以責任分工是這個不屬於你們的業務囉 |
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就是比較涉及到專業 譬如說宣稱療效保健食品宣稱可以治療癌症等等這些部分因為涉及到醫療專業所以在當初的分工上是有衛福部那你們布施廣告是針對哪一種類型的布施廣告就是跟譬如說食品 |
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那食品也有食藥署啊食品也有他的專業啊因為衛福部本身也有查處不實廣告的權限啊那我疑惑是說你們查處不實廣告是針對哪一類型的這個不實廣告就是我們其實沒有設定說特別類型但是如果是主管機關他可以優先來處理的就由他們優先但這就變成說全職劃分的這個模糊啦有時候衛福部說不實廣告是公平衛福部要去管的公平衛福部說你專業是應該衛福部要去管的 |
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到最後沒有人管我們是一般的不實廣告啦就是衛福部如果認定說這其實很為一般的不實廣告就是譬如說衛福部認為說這個廣告其實沒有涉及到療效單純就是一般的不實的廣告誇大的廣告這會把案子移到我們這邊我們就會處理這樣的廣告 |
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那剛剛委員垂詢的這個監測部分所以你就沒有辦法去主動啦主動的部分其實我們有做蠻多的特別是在不動產的環境所以我覺得各部位你要跟各部位去釐清啦特別是公共衛護部這種保健食品或者是這個有全身療效的部分你們分工要明確而且你們是要聯合去處理專業的部位他們來來定裁處的部位是你們去你可以去主動去調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
535.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
554.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
主動去了解調查者已請在惠衛福部表達意見衛福部認為說它的確有誇大療效它實際也超出不實廣告犯案那查處應該是由你們來裁罰才對啊因為依照衛福部它本身的法規規定它知道發現這個誇大療效其實它本身是有裁處的權利啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
555.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
578.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
就是只要是認定是衛護部他們的所謂誇大療效那你們有沒有採取的權利我們採取的權利就是剛剛跟委員報告一般的不實廣告就是說雖然他感覺要涉及到保健食品但是他沒有到那個誇稱療效你越講我越糊塗我越聽不清楚我們其實跟很多機關都有分過我這邊我都有一點一知半解那你一般人怎麼去了解說你們到底插手是哪一部分是是 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
579.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
605.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
因為主要是看特別法跟公平法之間的關係有些特別法它本身就賦予主管機關一些查處不實廣告的權利那你們過去一年查處不實廣告有幾案63件 處罰的部分樣態能不能提供資料給我就是說你63件是查處哪些不實廣告那廣告的內容是什麼 參與是什麼所以我們會後提供委員好 63件是不是那裁罰金是多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
609.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
612.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
沒關係啦 那會後再提供啦會後我把資料提供給你好 謝謝好 謝謝邱志維 |