IVOD_ID |
159095 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159095 |
日期 |
2025-03-13 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-2 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
2 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-03-13T10:16:34+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-03-13T10:29:14+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:12:40 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770fc83ef685faa9fdf5b0efe61acdb48b4ef83dc853112caf45b9f191ee8864f5e85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
委員發言時間 |
10:16:34 - 10:29:14 |
會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議(事由:邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。
【如本院改為加開院會,則本次會議取消,不另行通知。】) |
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謝謝主席請速發部黃部長請部長部長我看到好像原先有計畫對於那個今年要做那個一條新的海底電纜 |
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有這樣的預算嗎 強化數位韌性我們現在就是國內 國際國內嘛 國內現在有10條海洋電纜那我們要再加台碼4號對 再加一條預算3對 就是要補助去台碼4號對 簡單說這樣做下去會給一條是嗎給一條 對預算刪除 被刪了 |
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有沒有備刪?這份沒有,這份現在已經補過了所以進度可以趕快?預估在115年6月完成這個也是數位任性嘛,這很要緊啦因為你都老是被人家弄破壞嘛好,這個是我希望能夠按照進度趕快來做 |
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那今天本席還是希望在詢問上一次質詢之後本席問的一些問題我持續發漏我跟部長講我的風格就是四年都會問一樣的問題你知道我要問什麼嗎怎麼防止詐騙我對你四年只有這個要求而已上一次 |
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質詢的時候部長承諾本席齁這個實名制啊當時這個本來是一月後來部長告訴本席說Meta說一月底要開始落實廣告代理商全面落實實名制嘛那部長落實了嗎目前目前他有在進行是不是全面落實我是不是請那個署長 |
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目前他已經全面落實所以全面落實之後我們速發部在3月要做一個所謂身份驗證防詐計畫 |
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這個三月底要開始審查對不對要求這些公司提供這些簡單講啦你要做的事情就是了解一下他們落實的情形是怎麼樣同時這個對於防止詐騙有沒有效對不對這個會議的重點在這裡嘛好 |
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部長你初步覺得有沒有效從1月底開始實名制實施到現在3月中你覺得有沒有效第一個我們看到從源頭就是在Meta或是在這些平台廣告平台商的詐騙廣告確實有大量的下降 |
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這個數目確實當然還是有但是大量下降另外從金額上如果我們看16打那個就是就是那個儀錶板也看到就是從過去之前大概每天3億多到6億多的詐騙金額現在下降到1億多到3億的這樣所以這個以這個不管是數目跟詐騙的金額都有明顯的下降我看了一下這個你們的這個網路詐騙通報查詢網的測試版 |
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上面的數字看起來是下降了72%是不是這樣的意思事實上目前看到比這個還更高所以大概還剩多少就實施實名制之後還有幾%是沒有辦法那個詐騙還是在網路上面還在運作的 |
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現在價格就是下降大概有94%你這個數字我看起來好像沒那麼多這個是委員這個還是去年的資料我們目前最新的資料就是現在就是過去過去比如說每週有7萬多件的詐騙廣告那個就投資詐騙廣告 |
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那在2月我們就現在是每週大概7000多件但是還是很多不過從每週這個7萬多件到現在7000多件大概就是現在就是90%那身分冒充就是以前冒充像黃仁勳這種公眾就名人的廣告過去一週有38000多件現在大概剩下1000多件所以這個下降大概有95%以上 |
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好所以有一些效果嘛有就是以數量來講好那這個上一次我們提到對於這個網路照片通報查詢的這個查詢網啊這個什麼時候會正式上線 |
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我們那個2.0版當初就是上線之後因為上次測試版以後有一些民眾的反應以後我們做一些修改包括這個就包括能夠有這個所謂的這個一個介面的改善然後另外就是我們要注意到這個所謂的這個就是說那個一般民眾在這個就是能夠有一些就是給這個障礙就是說對我知道就是你就測試完之後 |
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然後後來就是我們這些包括影像模糊化避免有一些不當的使用像這種功能加上去之後我們現在是在1月多又上線各部會使用那各部會在測試中那也在行政院也在就是說我們已經抱怨了那行政院如果通過我們就會正式上線 |
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因為你上一次12月4號當天告訴本席希望第一劑行政院能夠通過正式上線第一劑大概已經剩下半個月了現在就是已經我們在1月就給各部會開始使用然後大概等行政院通過同意我們就上線部長行政院通過你覺得第一劑結束第二劑可以正式上線有沒有問題 |
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我們再努力再更新這邊這個要快啦這個可以再多啦這個對大家來講很重要嘛好那最後我們就來討論那個10%啦就是那個 |
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我現在依照你的數據啦我這個可能資料比較舊你比較新沒有關係依照你比較新的你剛剛講說齁大概降了9成網路的這個詐騙大概降了9成那這個降了9成換言之有10%那這10%呢我知道你們要透過3月底4月的會議來檢討嘛 |
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那我舉一些例子啦這個是我們辦公室常常會有那個來檢舉的除了你所以我說你那個你那個那個檢舉那個通報網啊要趕快正式上線因為正式上線我們明帶啊你來跟我檢舉的數量就會下降不然的話你直接去網路檢舉就可以了我舉一個例子啦我舉一個例子部長這個齁這個是 |
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檢舉人講的有四個有四個同樣的出資者有四個不同的界面同樣的出資者 |
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在台灣的在進行所謂會員招募叫你加入加入他們的會員嘛好那實名制的概念就是這個圖表這個圖卡上面那個方框啊那個方框就是告訴你說這一個廣告是誰啦好那所以他有實名制嗎有嗎有實名制有好那我請助理啊上網去查一下這個A |
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這個AMBEV這個AMBEV是什麼公司查起來就是巴西的一家飲料公司那巴西的一家飲料公司實名制來台灣做投資招募廣告這個邏輯上我是聽不大懂啦 |
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我聽不懂先不管他可不可以做這個啦我們先講一家巴西的飲料公司跑到台灣來做這個事情我也沒有說他詐騙啦因為我也不知道我沒有這個司法的調查權可以去行政調查司法調查都沒有我不知道他是真是假我只是覺得這個很不合理啦很不合理但他實名制喔他的確落實了實名制那可是呢這廣告還是依然存在 |
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那我就請他說那你應該去跟臉書去詢問結果那個Meta說他們有一個叫廣告刊登準則那這個廣告刊登準則是這個廣告是符合廣告刊登準則所以不用下架 |
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那我也不知道他的廣告刊登準則是什麼但是速發部應該要知道他們的廣告刊登準則是什麼那換言之廣告刊登準則有沒有跟速發部或者中華民國的法令規章有違背如果有的話這個法令規章這個公司內部的廣告刊登準則就大有問題 |
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所以我的意思只是在幫助說我用一個實名制的案例來告訴部長說我沒有說他詐騙啦我再一次強調我沒有辦法查嘛但是我只是覺得除非說這個他登錄他這個出資者AMBEV他不是巴西這家公司他是另外一家相同的公司我不知道 |
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因為我也沒辦法查我只能Google告訴我但你們可以去查你們可以用這個案例來查說到底為什麼那個10%還存在就已經實名制了雖然已經大幅下降看得到速發部在努力但是那個10%是怎麼來的我只是舉這個例子告訴你說會不會那個10%的貓膩就藏在這個細節裡面就是對於出資公司的審查合不合理 |
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他的實名制到底是怎麼運作去登錄那個實名制的我可不可以隨便路上撿到一張身分證我就說這個是我我可不可以自己隨便弄一個公司就說這是有啊有公司啊有實名制啊可不可以這樣子我不知道啦所以我的意思只是舉這個例子來告訴部長 |
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這個應該是一個可以把那個10%同時解決的可能的方向我們會再跟Meta在這廣告更看準的再仔細的再討論那希望能夠把這個降低就源頭管理啦如果他源頭能夠管理的好會減少我們後面很多麻煩所以我們會再繼續努力對所以我只是提供給你你們可以朝這個方向因為我就把實名制的抓出來嘛這個很看起來就是不合理嘛 |
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所以部長最後啦我想時間已經到了啦本席每次看到這種新聞我都很難過啦這個叫做詐騙被詐騙一千兩百萬然後母女就去這個輕生的這種新聞所以本席為什麼說我四年只會問你這個問題 |
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除非有一天在四年內詐騙幾乎是很少啦就跟其他的案件一樣就是社會總會有一些不守規矩的人但如果他的比例都是異常像台灣的詐騙比例這麼高 |
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本席就會我只有問你我只會你就站在這裡我站在這裡至少我們還有三年的時間嘛我就會一直問你這個問題因為每一次這種新聞一出來我都覺得很難過那這只是冰山一角嘛你從你的數字的統計就知道其實還有很多的案例只是或許有一些人就默默承受了所以我們為什麼 |
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本席一直強調書發部對於這件事情的工作你要預算要法令的修改本席都很支持我們一起啦這個只是講你沒有給你工具你也做不了嘛所以我常常講說立法院是你的後盾啦我們站在民意的角度我們認為人民的痛苦在哪裡我們幫人民質詢幫人民監督同時也就是協助你 |
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希望立法院成為你們的後盾大家一起跟業者大家一起合作讓台灣的詐騙真的把他打到讓台灣的詐騙活不下去好不好謝謝 |