| IVOD_ID |
159094 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159094 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T10:05:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T10:15:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f9540ea69c0ebdccab0efe61acdb48b4ef83dc853112caf45975c7bd2c0b6c0015ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:05:13 - 10:15:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【如本院改為加開院會，則本次會議取消，不另行通知。】） |
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謝謝主席 本席邀請我們速發部黃部長請部長林委員長部長好 前幾天的新聞 台灣有兩家大醫院 馬街醫院和張基受到駭客攻擊那很多的個資都流出來 |
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那這些客資甚至在網路上有人在公開販賣所以醫院算不算我們的關鍵基礎設施這個醫院算這個當然算那就我了解我還有政府的相關報告我們每天各公務機關還有一些基礎設施像電信 醫療 水電 金融銀行 |
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一天都遭受到駭客攻擊這個在全世界大概算是前幾名最嚴重的地方這是國安局的報告2024平均一天我們受到中共來自中共的網路駭客一天就有240萬次部長你的看法 |
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對 這個報告我們看到的數目其實比這個還多不過這個是來自可能來自對岸那如果依照我們現在看到每個月有13億次的供給每個月有多少13億次每個月13億次 那一天就4千萬次了將近 或者破 對 是這樣沒錯但是這個那一天 如果假設一天幾千萬次的還可以供給 我們再來看對政府網路第一個 關公務單位 |
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這個也是國安局的報告這公務單位在去年有694個公務單位都受到駭客的攻擊另外台灣經常性的尤其最近越嚴重海底電纜被弄斷了 |
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那一體電腦弄斷我們的資訊傳輸當然就受到影響所以我們必須增加我們的數位韌性例如透過衛星或者透過其他的偵測海嵐的登陸站就是海嵐資訊的轉發中心等等不過現在有個問題我覺得今天資訊部長也不知道用什麼角度來質詢我們速發部 |
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蘇發部如果要求你績效要做得好那現在我們看到的是所有的部會被砍的預算最嚴重就蘇發部了我剛剛有聽到有立委說什麼是凍結不是刪減 |
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當然凍結跟三減不一樣 但蘇化部三減就是最嚴重的部位蘇化部被三減了71億6千萬三減大概41%蘇化部的預算被三減不是凍結 凍結是凍結20% 也大概凍結了 |
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是不是這樣的動權數大概有三十幾億啦所以我們是真的被刪很多很簡單啦我想在座啦我們任何一個個人或任何一個家庭如果你的收入被砍掉40%然後有20%不能動資你的收入總共有60%那你這位個人或家庭也好還能運轉下去嘛不過我不知道說今天排數化部來報告 |
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那藍白的立委要怎麼問你你做得很難啊你如果沒錢要做什麼 |
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你做不好我們怎麼去指責樹化部你把預算全砍光了我還期待你樹化部做什麼例如啦剛說要防堵駭客的啦樹化部有很多補助我們相關的像電競技術中心他就是要衛星緊急的增加我們的韌性嘛我現在講的是那個韌性建設師的一些預算我拿他當例子啦為什麼一天可以有4000萬次的駭客攻擊 |
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一個月有13億次 只是因為現在的駭客攻擊啊 都用AI在攻擊我們所以它每天變化很快啦 打進我們的安全網 突破我們的安全網那我們要怎麼防治 你就用AI防治嘛 對不對 磨跟刀一直在鬥嘛那我們AI網路的主動式防疫研究計畫 這個必須要研究 要補助的 全砍光啦 |
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我看這個很慘啊像那個就是任性設施的相關補助經費啊5億多就被砍了3億啊我簡單舉這個做例子啦那我也不曉得大家以後怎麼要求世華埔去執行他的業務讓他事情能夠做好所以我覺得就3億算這一點啦站在立委啊是自相矛盾的啦 |
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那剛剛還有立委說你們還有法定預算啊廢話當然有法定預算那法定預算是什麼法定預算就是薪水啦退休撫恤的錢啦這些又不能來執行業務 |
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他到底搞懂搞不懂欸法定預算就是就算你預算一毛錢都沒過那也要 政府要支出的就補充你們的閒話嘛就你們的薪水啦退伍的提撥嘛那法定預算又不能來執行市化部任何的一項工作嘛還有凍結數啦所以我剛改我試一下跟兩位召委我替你 我這個算我幫你啦因為他凍結說叫你們趕快來解凍 |
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又講一個廢話啦你凍結又要求要來狀案報告你章偉不排那你怎麼解凍他是要求你要來狀案報告才能解凍如果章偉不排你狀案報告你連解凍的機會也沒有這一點的話蘇貨部是被凍什麼叫蘇貨部趕快來解凍什麼叫趕快解凍所以我請兩位章偉就這一點應該盡速排啦解凍預算的狀案盡速排那兩位章偉協調一下啦那一天多排幾個案嘛 |
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你就可以多解凍幾個案子嘛是不是這樣那至少可以救20%啦凍結是20%啦但刪減的40%都沒救了啦所以難怪行政院要提復議啦難怪行政院沒辦法接受還要再我們還有其他的憲憲政或者是司法的手段啦要不然我們再來看啦你剛提到的出國經費全被砍光了司法部要不要派人 |
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接送一些勤資的訓練我們訓練有100場 這是各樣各樣的要國外嘛 情報的交流嘛情報交流 還有演練 還有一些集合我們跟美國 日本 澳洲 是不是都有這些相關的情報交流都有 然後也有不同的會議跟一些訓練你現在不能去嘛好 那就最簡單的我們駐外單位 外管外管的資訊安全防護集合就沒辦法做蘇澳不要派人去集合 |
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要看你有沒有做得好 要去檢驗 要去稽查那現在也不能去了 出國預算砍到零那是要怎麼叫你做事所以我去 像那個什麼 資安院的預算對不對 這預算砍掉幾% 砍25%對 這個至少目前是25% 至少我也不知道一號在野黨的立委 藍白的立委站在這裡要求你做什麼 |
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然後又說你不能用預算被砍當理喔有要求自然要你也要問一下 你有時候人家抬刀 如果沒有做事 又說你不能用這個做理由說什麼笑話 最簡單的啊不然你的薪水40%抬刀 你再挖刀過日子喔想不出來很難過的啦 對不對 還有20%凍結不能贏的 |
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我們我們剛剛就講我們是真的很窮我們沒有哭窮是真的是真的是很辛苦不是窮就是你現在就是被亂搞嘛你預算沒搞這樣的話嚴重影響到國家的 |
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一些相關重大業務啦 尤其我剛提到的我們一天有各式各樣的駭客供給有4000萬次嘛這司法部掌握的嘛那其中最近啦 更嚴重的 集中在供給我們的基礎設施啦一些水電啦 金融銀行啦要是有一天大家起床發現每個人的存款都變為零會不會發生這有可能啦有可能啦你被供進去 一定每個人每個人 銀行口袋都變零啦那社會會不會大亂 |
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會那現在供給的技術不斷進步AI不斷的進步那我們也必須要不斷的進步用AI來防禦結果這邊預算給你全部砍掉是不是所以我個人認為說那你如果我們對於塑化布預算被砍成這樣子的話那我們以後如何要求塑化布去達成他該做的事情要了解喔 |
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部長你常講 你提過的速發部就是網路的國防部啦對不對軍事上的衝突沒有啦目前兩岸是一種實際上已經開戰了就是在網路上面那速發部就是我們的網路國防部你現在把我們網路國防部給廢掉四十八五層山堵怕死啦部長你很為難啦 |
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但是我覺得行政院,難怪行政院沒有辦法接受這樣的預算的刪減確實我們工作很重要,這刪減會影響到很多國家安全的重要工作我覺得你必須要把你被刪減造成的重大負面影響,你要去宣講你要訴諸民意,你跟這些在黨立委說話不好,他也不會聽 |
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是不是這樣好 謝謝這個不是省預算 這不是監督這是亂搞還有三四十趴的對不對任何一個立委你自己辦公室的預算我給你砍四十趴你試試看再給你動錢二十趴對不對你自己家庭的預算收入我給你砍掉四十趴你怎麼過日子好 部長辛苦啦謝謝委員好 大家加油啦好 謝謝喔謝謝部長 謝謝主席 |