| IVOD_ID |
159082 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159082 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T10:24:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T10:33:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770fcd998a879b262b746de99780e8e59786f83dc853112caf45c7ca98e9358032305ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:24:34 - 10:33:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【本次會議若因當日加開院會而停開，不再另行通知】） |
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玉琳委員質詢謝謝主席請陳代理主委請主委 |
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陳代理主委 本席想請教一下不時的廣告的查處算不算公平會的業務是一個重要的業務是一個重要的業務 那在近年來的話這不時廣告增加的趨勢是越來越多那我們看到這歷年來從2019年到2024年增加次數越來越多那我們公平會有什麼查處的工具跟方法你們做了哪些 |
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工具很多特別是針對不動產案件的案子我們有網路上的查查實地的宣導跟業者公會座談那當然在其他的一些不實廣告的案件裡面我們也會主動的去了解特別是當假設媒體有披露都主動去了解 |
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戴主委因為最近這個案件累計下來這294件裡面就有不動產部分你也提了不動產部分就有58件那你說你主動去查但是你有去開罰去處理的案件幾乎都是檢舉的 |
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都是檢舉的那像不實的廣告他已經刊登在不管是大看板啊或者是在網路上宣傳啊你們只要有去查處都看得到但是沒有主動性都是受害者跟你們檢舉你們才去查處 |
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就像有些的建商他說他這個房子是有可以挑高的有夾層的但是結果消費者進去之後的話才發現他這個夾層會被處罰會判為違建 違建人就要拆除掉甚至有些的公寓區的房子他也當作一般住宅在賣也會被拆掉這種情形買房子是如何的大事這他的所有的財產他的房子 |
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結果呢 結果他房子被拆了 結果他沒地方給住了這個傷害是非常非常的大所以 代理主委 你們的查處就是這樣子而已嗎其實我們都很積極啦 因為像積極沒有主動啊 你有沒有一件主動的地方在哪裡你舉例說都是你要檢舉的嘛 受害者喔事實上就針對不動產部分 我們有專門的一個team在做網路上的監控啦 |
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就是會在網路上看各個建商推出的不實廣告如果有競爭不實廣告疑慮的所以你們看了都沒有覺得不實廣告所以你們沒有自動出擊的都是被動就像高雄的男子這個捷運的這個站點這現在政府才做可行性評估結果他也不實廣告啊8分鐘就可以到這個捷運站結果現在你們對查處這個案子你查處了多久你查處多久 |
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人家檢舉去了你還要查處查處多久不用你們主動去看你不知道你查處多久這個我們再確認一下我再確認一下那個時間點是現在已經完售了銷售7億你們罰多少60萬對那我們公平交易法的21條他是罰多少 |
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最高從五萬到多少五萬到兩千五百萬兩千五百萬你的罰款的基準點在哪裡我們有一個判斷的標準判斷所以你認為他是實在的嗎輕微的廣告不死而已嗎你只罰他六十萬因為那個處罰還要看就是銷售額那我告訴你七億嘛完售是那你有沒有比例原則有沒有拿出來因為有時候涉及到就是廣告期間他其實沒有賣出去啦我告訴你這一件完售了 |
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我問你的是這一件高雄男子的沒錯啊我針對這一題他在廣告期間這個案子在廣告期間沒有銷售出去所以我問你嘛現在已經完售了而且你調查多久時間你調查都已經結束銷售了你還要掰 還要凹 |
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所以公平委面對事實去做務實的查實尤其是陳主委 林美主委的時候她就說她會重罰來遏止這個歪風 |
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你們沒有重罰7億的這個銷售額你們罰了60萬這是廣告商跟件商一起罰的60萬喔沒有分開來的喔結果你看不只這一件很多啊我們這幾年來的60件 |
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所以工具給你們了規範給你們了法也給你們了如果說這法不夠讓你們修從2023年修到2025年兩年了還躺在行政院修不出來不夠積極就是你們公平和現代的態度 |
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我想對於不用產這一塊我們會持續的積極的查出來持續積極 拿出成效出來你不要有人受害者來跟你檢舉的時候他逃不回來啊房子欸 有人一輩子才買一次房子欸就沒了 就被拆掉了所以公平交易法是保護民眾這保護你都做不到 那你就公平會員沒有用處啦 |
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所以請你們再積極一下法也給你們了 工具也給你們了你們的主動不要再等受害者來檢舉了 好不好好 接下來我想請問一下還是不死廣告因為廣大的民眾還是被等於是 算是詐騙嗎因為不死廣告也算是被詐騙就是最近這個有一番賞 |
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這個一番賞這個隨機的這個扭蛋來摸彩那但是他有說多大的獎品結果他沒有把大獎放進去那譬如說這個唐吉克的這個部分的話大概在5月8號到這個去年的5月8號到11號發扭蛋的這個活動唐吉克的也承讓缺失所以他也補償也退費了 |
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但是公平會就沒有開罰為什麼不只是唐靖克的現在很多這樣子的糾紛很多我想這個主要是因為這個案子因為我想我記得是當事人跟已經達成的那個和解就是他們可是他有沒有事實的不死廣告他有沒有事實他有做廣告這個廣告本身是他有事實嘛所以他在補償跟退費嘛你們為什麼沒有開罰 |
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因為他這個活動的期間不長很短活動時間不長你就不能計算他金額了 |
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怎麼可以說因為活動時間不長金額小因為這扭蛋的話丟進去硬幣就可以扭蛋啊因為金額小 因為不長因為是隨機就不用開罰所以代理主委就是誤導的效果就比較短所以這個要計算罰款的時候這個是我們會列入考慮的有這個行為就要處罰了你要去遏止他不然大家都投機啦 |
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對沒錯 剋除是很重要很重要 所以你說時間短剋除罰款必須要跟損害時間短這快閃就不用罰了就不用負責任了要符合比例嘛就是說它的誤導效果因為這個在法律上你還是你的罰款不能夠過高可是我們就給你工具二十一條五萬到兩千五百萬是我知道但是那個級距你要踩緊它級距就叫你比例原則啊剛剛已經叫你比例原則的這個男子的情況這個 |
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捷運點的問題啊 是不是那現在這個天數少 金額少就不用罰了那你就是姑息這種活動 盡量辦只要快閃就好了應該是說不是不用罰 而是說因為它影響了你事實就沒有罰啊對 |
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所以告訴代理主委這個一番賞的這個扭蛋這種活動非常非常的多受害者非常的多那就像你講的幾天而已金額很小所以大家就彼此一謀算了就是姑息這種歪風不斷的這個來增加民眾的受害所以連主委都在姑息幾天而已過了就算了 |
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我不是說過了就算啦你說幾天而已啊公平會的態度是非常重要的所以我們會持續經濟的但是處理法完所以我請公平會一定要介入調查好不好因為我們民眾沒有這調查的權利也只有你們可以調查如果你們的態度還是姑息養奸的話那我們民眾就一直都是損失的 |
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我們會積極持續的關注這個跟詐騙有一樣喔你說要有大獎結果沒有大獎在裡面是不是請公平會拿出你的態度跟你的權力來執法好不好 |