| IVOD_ID |
159077 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159077 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-26-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T10:11:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T10:24:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770fc7058eacf6bb97550aae3c1a04a00b1bf83dc853112caf45ec1a1595b71728d95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:11:24 - 10:24:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長就「有關全國急重症醫療量能」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【如遇加開院會本次會議取消，不再另行通知】） |
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好 我們有請我們的邱部長委員好 部長好我想請問一下 我們部裡面有一個次長叫測疫次長 你知道是誰嗎 |
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次長喔?我們衛福部有三位次長都是...你現在有帶手機嗎?我們幫他查一下手機收一下就知道啦喔 是現在我專心聆聽委員的指教不敢動用手機我跟你講就是我們林怡靜嘛 次長林靜儀齁 林靜儀次長那 |
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他今天沒來是怎麼樣?我聽說昨天召委有邀請他來嗎?對不起,因為時間有點緊,所以他今天有很多的行程各位都知道部長在這裡真的都要靠三位次長 |
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你也知道衛福部的業務太多了,有的社福那邊也要去所以是部長允許他不來就對了那我有跟趙偉親自請假,感謝趙偉那我知道他去年到現在有總共三次了去年點滴事件,點滴的事件他跟醫護對嗆 |
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這個某些人站著說話不腰疼你要的2000CC廠商沒在做改給你500CC堅持這樣說堅持這樣沒貨那最終的結果又是就是沒有嘛就是缺嘛那個總預算他當過立法委員還配合我們民進黨在做這個造謠帶風向更扯的是連數字都不看凍結預算 |
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不在乎什麼韌性國家醫療部長你也當過立法委員你認為他講的這個對嗎我想林次長也有針對他講的話有些不得體他都有深切檢討有嗎像上一次我們的行政院長也有特別要求要謹言慎行他已經三次了你們還繼續想保他 |
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我們留下他的,我們是沒有人才了是嗎?衛福部沒有人了嗎?我們國家的人才很多啊對啊,那為什麼出了那麼多狀況,我們部裡面都沒有反應?還是你動不了他?他有不但聲勢減少,而且更加工作努力他的工作能力是專業的側翼? |
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那個他的專業說實在比我強很多啦所以部長你不會當側翼不會當網軍就對了這點你輸他 |
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不是專業啦專業他的工作效率啦以及對事情的一個分析能力啦都給我非常都給我們衛福部很多的好啦我還是覺得啦部長你還是要多管管底下的人啦如果真的在這樣子不是人應該該讓他走就讓他走我們一定深切檢討謹言慎行那我再請問部長是那個前幾天你有到那個 |
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醫院去嘛 到急診室去看我真的實實是在那邊打氣絕對不是視察 我不需要視察因為數據 急診的數據都在我們手上所以你也相信我們現在這個急診室的狀況那個媒體拍的 你相信嗎 |
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額 陸委員報告齁我在台大醫院出入40年我的出入幾乎不是正門都是從急診旁邊側門急車路進去所以急診每天發生的情況齁我跟那個石崇良他也是台大急診出身的應該都深切的了解你應該都知道嘛深切的了解他的一個辛苦那你為什麼那時候去看的時候你去打氣然後然後搞得人仰馬翻所有人都要移走呢所有病人都要往 |
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那個 報告委員那個所有的所有的醫院都有發聲明說他們完全沒有去做任何完全都是正常的程序而且把時間點都寫得清清楚楚後來媒體再去啊他去了林口 台大 |
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我沒有去林河長庚林河長庚永遠都是非常擁擠的但是因為時間的關係我已經到我本來沒有要去看雙河啦但是到已經四點多的時候我想說雙河還是聽說也是也是屬於比較擁擠的以後要去的時候那個時候才打電話跟他說要去以後如果你要去視察這個你上我車我們直接上你也不要問我去哪裡我帶你去看可以嗎 |
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我可以隨時配合委員的如果可以的話那個古代青菜大臣要微服出訪他一定不會驚動地方這樣我們才看得到民間的真正的狀況這樣好不好我沒有說實在我不是去視察我是真的去打氣而已啦然後 |
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也給那些在努力的不管是給他院長督導督導你也是醫生啦我相信你也知道說我們醫院為什麼要分科那護理人員也是啦那急診需要內科床位內科床位滿床的時候婦婦產科有床 |
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內科病人可能就會轉到婦產科你要醫護人員去執行他不熟悉的業務這樣對醫護人員其實來講說他的壓力是非常非常的大啦這個不是比喻這是現實發生的狀況那我也聽說你們說要推這個早期出院在宅接受治療照顧這個有嗎那人力呢有想過嗎一個團隊出去車程一天那個要算車程他一天能夠去幾家好這個我想 |
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Hospital at home就是說我真的很感佩委員對這個醫療的了解跟關心那這個是其實在國際已經推很久了我知道啦但是我們現況我們以台灣的現況來講我們僅有的人力就是要去做更有效率的事情如果讓我們一切都站在病人的立場如果他只是為了一個打個抗生素 |
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這個我想大家都很有經驗我們也常常在服務打個抗生素如果一定要急診打一個禮拜大概就您的想法跟用意出發點我覺得都不錯但是我覺得要回歸現實面就是說我們如果做這件事情的時候那如果這些人配置在醫院 |
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他又可以照顧多少治療的這個患者包括委員我們這個不只醫院的團隊我們的基層團隊我們也希望地區醫院人力比較如果人力比較夠都可以投入這樣的我們現在的重點就是沒有人 |
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不是沒有床有時候是不均的問題因為我們自己當民意代表我們每天可能要接幾十通的電話六十通電話就是沒有床的事情我們也很痛苦所以我們在去年就一直希望把健保點子提高讓醫護人員能夠留下來但是我們部裡面它又自動打折了我請問部長你那天有講到說 |
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你突然公布說我們護理人員的薪資的數據你的目的是什麼你是說有7萬嗎是這樣子各位報告這個網站其實在112年的11月就已經 |
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各醫院有400多家的醫院填上去那我在確認當時照護師邀請各醫院填上去的目的事實上不是這樣子啊是說是希望能夠讓護理人員知道各個醫院的薪資是怎麼樣可是你7萬是怎麼來的那當然是 |
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包委你可以看一下這裡有個非公子齁如果是年資一年以下的最低值其實是四萬二也是相當低啦對啊所以我要問的是七萬是怎麼來的 |
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所有的數據都是醫院他們那邊填的我們後來104薪資情報顯示一年以下的護理師年平均才58.4萬一到三年才達到62.5萬薪資根本就沒有你說的7萬 |
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七萬是因為那個網站上面我本來以為部長你說的七萬是今年你要把它調到七萬是這樣嗎這個是醫院他把固定收入跟會固定收入通通加起來除以二 |
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的一個數字的成績我拜託委員齁能夠上一個一照護師的網站比這個更詳細啦他裡面有寫各個醫院400多家醫院裡面的所有薪資我覺得那個薪資我問過所有醫院的院長他們說他們哪裡敢造假齁但是只是呈現方式的不一樣因為他呈現的是可能把所有的所有的醫院支出給護理人員的都把他加進去啦齁 |
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對啊所以真正護理的願意我們現在問的是護理師拿到的我好像沒那麼高啊我的薪資就沒那麼高啊所以這樣的差距讓大家誤解我想我要我必須要真的感到抱歉那這個數據跟跟實際上拿的這個東西如果站在議案的立場他會覺得說這就我付出給護理同仁了嘛我看到我看到這7萬的數字這個部長宣布7萬的時候我很高興我猜我要我從來沒有寫過多少 |
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我要帶這些護理人員跟部長說謝謝你要把他調到7萬因為是有記者會說要尋找7萬我們只是把數據公費說實在如果能夠讓護理人員更高或達到這個數目是我們也是日夜以求的事情我們提到7年的1260億的計畫113年執行哪些 |
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不好意思7年那個1260億的計畫那個叫那個說像計畫嗎還是護理人員那個護理人員政策準備12年車輛車輛車類說像車類我想市長跟委員報告一下說像車類的一個做法 |
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我們12項策略有4項是有公務預算的有4項一個就是這就包含了三班醫護比入法嘛對對那現在做的怎麼樣夜班獎勵夜班獎勵三班先達標先獎勵那因為去年是3月1號開始執行所以去年有用了40億你們不是說要讓三班護病比這個入法嗎 |
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對我們先講因為現在如果要達到這樣的標準還要7000到8000人所以我們現在去年開始執行嘛就是因為人員不夠嘛對不對人員不夠所以你現在不能錄啊要增加的因為你錄了之後馬上這個船會關更多先獎勵然後朝著這個方向走這樣子 |
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所以我們第一階段一定是留了人才嘛去年我們又合訂政策準備中長城計畫護理人員的政策準備中長城計畫我們也編了248億每年68億 |
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每年68億 4年是275億也就是說我們家前項計畫是總共投資護理是248億那我請教部長這些計畫裡面哪些是護理人員直接能拿到的 |
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夜班獎其實這都要用在護理人員的這個都要用在護理人員的這個職場環境的改善那夜班獎勵是直接到護理人員的薪資裡面夜班獎勵那先達標先獎勵呢原則上是要給白班然後沒關係因為時間的問題啦時間的關係那你現在不用急著回答我你們把這個113年180億執行的成效 |
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多少錢花在什麼地方多少錢花在提升醫護人員的待遇把資料給我好嗎好沒問題這多久可以給我沒問題多久兩個禮拜內好謝謝部長好謝謝委員對護理職場的關心非常感謝 |