IVOD_ID |
159072 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159072 |
日期 |
2025-03-13 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-20-2 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
2 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-03-13T10:01:59+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-03-13T10:14:12+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:12:13 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f24be8779c04c581de83d902c8d6dd6c2f83dc853112caf452b572682c7da76a75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
委員發言時間 |
10:01:59 - 10:14:12 |
會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議(事由:邀請中央銀行楊總裁金龍率所屬單位主管暨財金資訊股份有限公司董事長列席業務報告,並備質詢。) |
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總裁你好 我想我一樣跟賴昭偉一樣關心關於對等關稅的問題不過就數據上來說 賴昭偉講說美國平均3.3% 我們是6.5% 名目上這樣是沒有錯 |
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但事實上在貿易金額加權之後的平均關稅台灣其實是2.2%那美國是1.7%也就是相差是0.5%你剛剛講0.5%沒有錯看起來台灣是比較高但台灣之所以比較高的原因是因為農產品比較高所以實質上我們的貿易平均關稅其實是比美國還低 |
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所以我要跟你說明這一點所以也就是說對等關稅來說對台灣其實是沒有什麼太大的重啟更何況呢其實我們在整個進出國跟美國之間的一個出口的項目還有這個進口的項目各十大項當中包括這個半導體那個機路電路啦半導體的機械啦等等器具基本上幾乎都是免稅的兩邊都免稅的所以這個部分我看起來 |
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看這個部分整個對等關稅看起來衝擊不是很大可是事實上是因為我們的貿易順差劇烈的成長一下子從2023年第九名現在變成第六名然後現在川普一直對於這些順差的國家譬如講第一名的中國大陸或墨西哥都持有高關稅的方式這是讓大家關心的地方 |
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現在我想請問一下那個總裁喔到底你認為川普用這個高關稅的政策是一種手段呢還是一種目的那就如同你剛剛回答這個其他委員講說我們要面對問題我們要解決問題是不是我們態度是這樣子 |
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然後你在這個報告當中的13頁當中就寫出來主要的這些經濟體有幾個方式就是他們來面對這個高關稅的部分第一個是報復措施PEW獎以加拿大的話他就針對這個秀黛州的部分來進行高關稅來施以報復第二個的部分是雙邊協商第三個部分購買美國商品在上次你報告當中購買美國商品我們要購買農產品、能源跟軍品你有提到就是這三個 |
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然後最近又多一個增加對美投資台積電去那1000億那之前我們1600億再加上總統又提到說GDP的部分國防預算要增加到3%而且這個部分我們不會受到三減預算的影響我們一樣維持國防預算的情況底下一年大概採購大概50億美金之多我們的天然氣石油的部分大概加起來一年的話大概是2000億左右的這一個美元 |
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在這個情況底下換算起來再將農產品大概十到二十億啊就這些總體數字來說總裁面對問題解決問題你覺得你提出的方法當中還有哪些台灣需要加強的地方 |
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我想就是說第二個就是說也要多多跟他們溝通協調有溝通的管道嗎我之所以跳過雙邊協商的部分就是還沒有看到我們有對等溝通的管道啊因為溝通就我們中央銀行的這個職權來講我們就是說匯率報告 |
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匯率報告的話呢我們有談到就是說央行跟他們對話是沒有問題是說新的關稅的這個政策下來的時候有沒有新的溝通管道跟對話方式啊這個我就我不曉得啦但是就中央銀行的一個立場溝通我們跳過好不好你不曉得我們就跳過嘛溝通我們就跳過嘛你既然不曉得我們就跳過嘛我們剛剛講的你曉得的部分嘛要怎麼做我念給你聽啊還需要加強什麼 |
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想不出來你這麼聰明都想不出來我們怎麼辦嘛對不對我們要面對這個川普的一個貿易政策我跟委員報告事實上我們的台積電去那邊投資對等關稅之外還有報復關稅的問題耶 |
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對不對台積電去加漢布朗當加起來是1650億耶但是他以川普他們的野心不是只是一家台積電他希望建立的是產業鏈半導體的產業鏈甚至是半導體的生態系形成所謂半導體的狼帶 |
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所以目前這個為止總體經濟來說那個衝擊很大對美的關係關鍵很重要那這樣的情況底下我就說你之前已經有寫出一些方向了嘛那是不是應該在做你總體經濟宏觀的角度再提出一些可能性跟看法關稅只是其中之一了總裁 |
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你知道最近川普還提到一個海湖莊園協議這比照華盛頓廣場協議的這個衝擊更大他除了關稅還有匯率還有債務重整三大面向最近他就點名日本跟中國說他操縱匯率那日本很聰明 |
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日本之前是1比158現在跳到1比148最近好像又變成146又馬上升值升值的幅度是最快的你去看你這張圖你這張圖是最近 |
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央行每天在臉書裡頭更新了最重要的圖為什麼你每天要更新因為知識體態嘛因為國人很關注嘛這個主要貨幣對美的這個升貶幅度的一個關鍵但是就升貶幅度的比較當中我們看出一個關鍵點就是台灣的部分比其他國家來說 |
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比較嚴重人家都有升值我們甚至還在貶所以這個問題可能我們會被針對嘛在3月10號的時候是0.12我們還貶值0.42最新的報告當中是0.553月12號 |
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所以說在這種情況底下央行有沒有做努力我看是有做努力啦你在報告的37頁當中呢你去年就賣廢了164億嘛很顯然你有逐貶嘛可是你逐貶的情況底下 |
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還是貶啊?怎麼辦?總裁我跟委員報告啦基本上呢美國財政部他不會就是說只有觀察你的匯率短時間的一個波動事實上我們現在就貶嘛你超級嘛因為匯率有些時候你要看長的 |
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要看長的如果看長的話我有一個數據跟委員報告請說2010年到現在呢我們台幣呢對義蘭的貨幣呢我們升值了將近百分之二十所以照你這樣講我們不會因為這樣子川普點名的中國日本我們不會被點名你是不是這樣子安心沒問題我跟委員報告就是說第一個 |
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我們跟美國財政部的一個溝通是良好的他們也知道我們台灣的匯率運作的情況你總裁說沒問題大家就安心了好不好就沒問題嘛可是接下來下個禮拜四我們央行要開這個禮監事會議了下個禮拜四FED也要開這個利率的禮監事會議了他們在凌晨我們在下午如果說他們有這個降息的話對我們壓力可能會比較小 |
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可是如果萬一他升息的話那我們該怎麼辦 |
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這件事應該會比較有聯動效果吧我跟委員報告啦就是說基本上呢說美國現在要升息這個跟市場的意氣是不大是違背的啦不太可能是不太可能因為現在呢所以只有降息不會升息對而且呢它的降息只是時間的時間的短或是它如果降 |
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美元就會貶他如果升美元就會強可是你上一次的會期當中我們在另一個會議室你說美元川普上來美元應該會走強勢貨幣剛剛你回答這一個代委員又說會走貶這不是矛盾嗎沒有沒有沒有沒有矛盾那個委員你看看我們第六頁 |
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第二位在那個川普在九月份的時候他的美元的指數是100.78那然後呢到今年的1月13號的時候呢109.96相當於他將近升值了10%所以說還是升值嗎還是升值啊如果他走升值的話那對台灣的壓力就越大嘛 |
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你去看一下台灣最近的情況那也不是說只有台灣啦所以我們在這邊但是我不管其他我就管我們嘛他生之後我們會壓力更大你再來看看不過我跟委員報告啦就是說匯率不是看短時間對我知道你剛剛已經強調過了不用再重複我聽到了現在有一個大的問題是台灣現在所處的環境當中是屬於這種minus的利率是負利率 |
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這個負利率你在上次的報告當中去年3月你說屬於4宗比較於美國香港但是現在所有的國家你聽我講完所有的國家來說現在minus的就剩下台灣跟日本是最近剛好2月我們的CPI是只有1.58所以說意外稍微轉正一點點總裁你也算是神機妙算但是你如果說換算成台銀的定存的這個比例1.715%的話 |
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還是一樣負利率啊所以很多人會把這個利率過低的問題視為房價之所以會高漲問題因為資金取得成本實在太低了嘛一個關鍵的問題好 就來提到你房市的降溫的部分你在P35頁當中的這個部分到底你精簡的幾家銀行都沒有講你只有講說你精簡120 |
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然後你最後的講法說你會持續去觀察那你的意思是說你要用經檢的持續經檢的方式來取代可能的第八波的信用管制是不是總裁那當然啊所以沒有所謂的第八波信用管制只有第七波的持續經檢不會只有停在120會持續下去是不是 |
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我想我們第七波是配合了它的總量管制那總量管制之後我們第一個我們一定要來檢討就是說它有沒有按照它的一個期程來控制它的對不弄產的放款第二個我們在配合我們的專案精檢 |
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我覺得這樣以目前來講的話呢你在B35你講說他們裡頭有一些問題就是哪幾家銀行你也沒有公布麻煩你公布一下或是私底下給我貸款陳述超過法定上限或者變相給予寬帶期這些東西都是違法的事情啊利用其他名目徵貸這裡都沒有寫出來這銀行哪有嚇阻效果啊清檢只有你知道別人都不知道有這麼神秘嗎 |
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我們現在在開秘密會議嗎是是是要不要公佈好好那我就要公佈嘛不是我來讓我們的相關的單位對啊也許我們提供資料給你對啊這公佈公佈公佈提供資料給參議會的問題該公佈就公佈好不好不是我們來那個這個接下來我還會再問你啦謝謝謝謝謝謝各位的質詢下一位請 |