| IVOD_ID |
159063 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159063 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T09:51:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T10:03:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f6342bad506e87162fc7dc3b86466824cf83dc853112caf4550fc6cff46c367e65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:51:48 - 10:03:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席這個是辛惠琪司法法治委員會第一次開會希望大家都能夠理性那對於所有的司法案件我要再一次說司法案件偵辦的核心在證據 |
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而不是政治希望大家尊重司法領域大家的專業讓證據說話而不是讓政治來操作那今天我的主題呢我都要回到法制面講通案我請部長麻煩部長 |
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我今天的破題就是台灣要打假 要打詐從現在越來越猖獗的Deepfake 深偽 影像的犯罪到現在聯署的造假以及反廢死公投的議題是不是都成為政治操作的工具我們好好就法制面來釐清一下 夏業 |
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我自己是受害者我第一次公布了身為影片對於吳思瑤柯建民總召這種造假影片有人造假一次我就告一次最近發生了兩件 |
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第一件是一個叫做TikTok的帳號金門坦克陳玉珍但這個陳玉珍是不是那個陳玉珍我不知道我相信我寧可相信不是我們的同事他造假了我跟柯建民總召在民進黨記者會上這幾句就假的啦 |
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第二個造假的是一個叫做自由台灣也是抖音的帳號然後他還寫了標題高雄狗仔隊偷拍到吳思堯跟柯建民偷情這是在立法院的議場 |
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我想洪薇在場也是女性 我們是從政者任何一個人面對這樣子的造假 雖然他看起來很假大家都知道 有正常判斷能力的人都認為他不會是真的可是我今天站在這裡 我真的其實今天我助理要把這個影像放出來的時候我自己都還是拒絕去看這對於任何一個當事人 不論性別都是很深的傷害 |
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所以說公眾人物不分黨派也不管是在各個領域深陷這種身為影像的犯罪它不只是性羞辱本身不只是危及個人的名譽我要講它根本也更可能危及更廣大的社會安寧在場還有王逸川委員王逸川委員也被身為影片造假 |
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用他的臉 他的嘴 說出謾罵民進黨 破壞台灣民主的話那不是王逸川 一看也知道是gay但是有人會相信啊所以說不只性羞辱 身衛的犯罪已經普遍被淪為廣泛運用到對於社會安寧 甚至於政治事件的操作我們看下一頁亞太地區啊 身衛影像是全球的第二高 |
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如果從2022到2023年一整年就成長了百分之1530成長了百分之1530亞太區是全球第二最大宗的身為影像來自於中國來自於中國要打擊不同國家擾亂其他國家的民主秩序跟社會的運作 |
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所以說呢台灣當然在2023年我們已經修正了相關的法制把身為的犯罪我們優先從性影像對於這個受害者 |
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的這個我們當時修的是刑法增訂第28章之一防害性隱私及不實性影像的罪章以及犯罪被害人的權益保障法我們雙下手 |
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但是當時還是focus在對於個人名譽傷害性犯罪或是性勒索相關的但我們看到國際看到這種深謂的犯罪都廣泛運用於來防範敵對國家不友善國家的民主借選介入民主的選舉或是打擊政治 |
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這已經是像美國得州就已經用州的立法來強化對於用身為影像的犯罪來於選舉期間打擊政敵來干擾選舉 |
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甚至英國也通過了英國線上安全法案還有韓國也都有這種國際層面大家已經關注到了除了個人法益要保障社會法益也該顧更可能它危及國家法益危及國家的安全所以說您個人認為到目前為止我們的相關法律對於身為影像的犯罪還是要播放嗎您認為我們可以強化哪些部分 |
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謝謝委員 那目前深圍的一個 除了剛才委員有提到那個新華深圍那個不實的姓尹 相姓之外 另外339之事就是包括那個加重詐欺罪的是 沒錯 我知道還有那個洗錢法的 還有選罷法因為他可能破壞金融秩序但是剛才委員有提到的這部分對於借選選舉 這都有 |
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那現在就是那個審委的妨礙名譽這部分我們刑法是還沒有那這我們有提出草案已經送行在審查了我希望你們既然送出草案更全面性的也要針對國安方面因為當初我跟我的律師在提告的時候我們要引用哪些條文對於國安方面對於政治事件如果今年是選舉年啊對不對用那樣的影像來打擊候選人 |
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我想它不想發生在任何人身上 不論藍綠我們在場王宏威委員 他也不應當受到這種傷害吳思堯不應當 王逸川不應當任何人用犯罪的方式造假去傷害他人的權益 都是台灣法律所不容的請把相關的法制再盤點一下看看國際各國 蒐集一下對於作為政治事件 尤其介入選舉還有操作認知作戰 |
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我們要如何來處置法規面來精進好嗎所以我們要打破過去說眼見為憑現在眼見不為憑過去說有圖有真相我今天很沉痛的拿出自己被造假的影片公開我是要告訴台灣社會眼見不一定為憑有圖不一定是真相因為現在的AI技術讓造假太過方便 |
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所以魔高一尺 道就要高一丈我支持你們趕快提出法治健全跟精進的作為草案好 下一個同樣我們要打假喔現在發動的這個罷免啊我們尊重人民的權利我今天也不講個案那以現在 我這邊列出來的是兩方的罷免那 |
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一方罷免綠委的有16人罷免藍委的有34人然後當然一階達標的數量我就不用再說了但是在死亡連署數呢罷免綠委的部分有1737件民團的部分是12件 |
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那不合格率罷免綠委的部分高達30.75%也就是幾乎三張裡面就有一張不合格他可能涉及造假或冒名民團的部分是4.58%下一頁 |
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我在法治面我要強調我們作為法治國家現在的選罷法對於罷免的提議或連署已經有規範如果你提議或連署者都有偽造情勢就應與刪除這個是在行政作業的部分目前地方選委會也好中選會也確實是依法在辦理如果你涉及不合格的就刪除 |
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那在2024年去年年底立法院也修正了選罷法把這種未經同意未造假冒提議或聯署的已經定有刑責除五年以下或是一百萬以下的罰金法制是有健全了但是下一頁我想要請您再告訴我們一下雖然被剔除不合格的假冒的死亡聯署被剔除但是就刑法的偽造文書罪 |
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他應當有沒有涉及刑法的偽造文書他這個選法是98條之二裡面有規定利用魏京同偽造假冒或連署嘛那另外這個我們另外在刑法偽造我想這個這個這個有是不是這個個案的一個認定有可能會觸及到這個這個問題 |
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所以有可能觸及到我們當然尊重任何的提告當然我們也有部分委員提告那尊重這個 |
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法院法官檢察官他們的判斷但是我要提醒大家的是下一頁包括死亡連署喔在最高法院107年度有個判決也就是說刑法之偽造文書罪著重於保護公共信用之法義即使該偽造文書所載之作成名義人也已死亡但是偽造文書罪還是會成立的這樣子的見解應當是正確的吧對 這個是有 |
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所以我們今天在這裡呼籲大家任何的民主行為都不容造假就如同過去在威權時期選舉還有做票的但是台灣現在已經走向民主的階段現在罷免跟選舉一樣都是憲法珍貴的賦權都是公民權民主不容造假 |
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各種方式灌水的冒名抄名冊的或者是去收集不實資訊的他除了在選罷法的部分剔除於因為會有刪選但是他在法律上還是應付偽造文書的法律責任這個跟偽報這個都是 |
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包括檢察機關調查局都有在立案偵辦好 所以我不介入任何的個案我說的是通案跟制度我們在這裡希望告訴所有的現在發動罷免的有不同的團體包括所有的民團大家都要注意 都要小心 |
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每一個連署書都應當是當事人他有清楚知道他在連署什麼是當事人為之不能夠代為超明冊不能夠代為簽名我想這個東西我們在現在社會最關注的事件上我們都有必要向社會清楚的在法律面清楚的說明民主不容造假 |
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不管是哪一方發動罷免誰任何一方都不容造假大家都不要輕易的踩到法律的紅線偽造文書應負法律責任我們提醒所有的台灣的公民朋友好 謝謝謝謝主席 |