| IVOD_ID |
159057 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159057 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T09:40:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T09:52:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f9a38d1a6bff9daf66de99780e8e59786bbf0a69acbcd9c1c74d47481ca160e5e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:40:57 - 09:52:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【本次會議若因當日加開院會而停開，不再另行通知】） |
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謝謝主席 趙偉我們請代理主委來 請主委主委 最近台積電的議題非常夯那現在一直在討論說台積電未來如果跟Intel合併有合併的相關計畫或是合作的計畫 |
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那這個部分我們公平會會扮演什麼樣的角色首先說台積電跟英特爾合併目前就是在媒體上的傳聞那個當事人都還沒有證據證實那本會對於這個結合的立場就是說如果將來真的發生這樣的事情那當然第一個我們要看的是他們合作的模式到底是怎麼樣如果是符合我們公平法的結合那以他們的市佔率也好已經達到了門檻我們當然必須要審查 對 |
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怎麼審查審查就是依照一般的結合案件我們在處理水平結合UberEat等等就是有一套的標準來審查這個東西但科技業比較特別的是創新的因素可能我們也會納入一個審訟的考慮主委因為我想他們兩個是極大的這個真的是大事 |
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而且對於我們台灣來講如果說依照他們的營業額是一定要我們審查的啦那是不可能沒心知這兩個這麼大的企業如果做一個結合或合併其實那真的是國際間的大事所以我們應該要準備好 |
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因為現在雖然媒體不斷的在討論我們也還沒有得到這些訊息可是我們勢必要有所準備萬一發生了我們是不是有這樣的能力去審查這樣的一個相關的機制 |
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這才是重點有 我們內部已經有在準備了有在準備嗎有在準備 對所以有在因應這個事件的發生對 就是未來看他們的情況發展我們事先都有一些因為我覺得一定要讓人民安心為什麼我今天會特別提出這個問題因為台積電他投資一千億在美國一千億美元 |
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基本上從我們的國安跟我們的經濟其實我們的總統都有掌握很清楚的訊息可是因為我們不方便對外說這是商業機密我們沒有辦法去代替台積電去跟大家說清楚可是卻被誤解了說我們是人家已經結了婚我們才知道 |
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但並不是如此所以我今天會跟您提醒說媒體已經吵得沸沸揚揚了 |
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190.066 |
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但是我們必須跟人民署說的我們公平會也準備好了我們一定有能力審查這個跟委員說明這個能力非常重要不要說事情發生了然後人家質疑一我們沒有辦法回答質疑二沒辦法回答這會寄所謂台積電到美國投資一千億美元這樣的訊息可能會在一級的重砲 |
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所以這個對台灣的經濟影響層面其實人民也知道在所謂的投資跟擴廠每一個企業體他一定會在每一個世界每一個國家的點去做他自己最有力有效的一個擴廠 |
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242.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
249.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
所以在台積電它已經擴大到全世界都需要它的晶片 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
251.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
276.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
所以他勢必一定要在全世界設廠跟我們台灣的能量其實沒有影響因為我們台灣我們還是在接單我們的擴廠還是繼續沒有影響到台積電在原本台灣設廠的一個計畫並沒有可是現在大家就會有很多的故事會產生 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
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301.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
我也跟委員報告啦 如果針對目前大家關切的議題從競爭的部分 從公平會接受審查的部分現在大家關心的議題在我們的架構底下我們都可以審查所以我覺得代理主委在現階段媒體潮的沸沸揚揚的當中勢必我們也應該要對外表達我們的態度沒有問題 我們也準備好了當 |
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302.995 |
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330.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
必須要進到我們公平會審查的機制只要是在法規已經到了我們國家所訂定的標準那麼我們審查是沒有問題我覺得應該要對外很清楚的表達第二個部分就是說我們公平交易法其實從2023年的6月預告修法草案到現在 |
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331.932 |
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357.399 |
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請問我們現在的進度是如何我們的修法草案也經過對外徵詢 學者專家座談其實我們已經擬出我們的版本 目前已經在行政院已經在行政院 院會討論對 未來就配合行政院那邊的進度那院會討論了嗎還沒有討論還沒討論那你從2023 6月預告修法草案到現在然後到目前今年是幾年了2025 |
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360.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
388.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
居然行政院院會還沒討論你知道現在的公平交易法為什麼過去到現在過去那已經是沒有辦法符合現在所謂整個交易市場的一個趨勢所以很多法已經沒有辦法控制現在目前所謂交易的狀況導致人家在想辦法 |
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390.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
405.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
對我們的消費者其實是很大的一個壓力甚至每一次檢舉都沒有辦法到位因為我們的法就已經沒有辦法來保護到我們所有的在交易一方弱勢的部分 |
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407.99 |
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413.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
我想我原期的就是我們要修法的原因啦要與時俱進那我們會持續來跟行政院那邊來溝通啦2023年6月預告修法草案到現在 |
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447.574 |
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我們提的案我有提修法草案也就是針對整個事業結合申報的門檻擴大聯合行為規範的範疇修正行政調查的規定還有真定判決書一定要登載在新聞電子報當中讓大家知道哪些是惡質的一個企業行為讓他們清楚哪些已經被判了 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
448.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
476.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
我們所有的一個消費行為就要小心還有要修正違法結合的行政責任規定還有強化不公平競爭的監管力度還有效果我們現在的監管力度太低了所以每次只要檢舉到我們公平會最後都是查無實證結束掉那對於 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
477.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
489.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
弱勢的一方是很傷所以強者越強 弱者越弱是現在公平教育法裡面所呈現的不公平狀態 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
491.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
514.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
所以大家期待這一部法令的修法期待那麼久為什麼修不出來2023年6月預告到現在居然到現在修不出來原因在哪裡我想這裡面主要是在修法的這幾點當中有些點社會當中有一些比較不一樣的看法那需要再進一步的討論就對外徵詢裡面有一些想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
514.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
542.54 |
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是啊對外徵詢完之後我們要利用這些徵詢意見的不同陸續去開很多的協調會跟座談會然後代理主委我要報告當然會有漢格啊當弱勢的一方跟強勢的一方會不會有漢格你要站在哪一個位置我們要保護弱勢的一方啊當我們保護他的時候 |
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543.717 |
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557.233 |
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我們給予強勢的一方更多的監管當然他們會有意見啊他們不會那麼笨吧笨到不會為自己表達意見可是是在於你公平會站在哪一個角度 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
559.281 |
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578.03 |
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你公平會站在哪一個角度對啊 事實上我們持續都有在跟這些不同意見來做一些共同的對 重點是在於你公平會站在哪一個角度嘛你要站在弱勢的一方還是強勢的一方嘛你要怎麼去做一個平台去調和嘛我們的職責當然是從保護市場競爭來落實保護消費者是啊所以當然會有漢格啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
584.264 |
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612.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
那如果你因為漢格因為大家意見不同一直拖我告訴你公民教育法修不出來絕對修不出來我們都持續要跟行政院怎麼沒有拖2023年6月預告到現在預告到現在現在已經2025年的3月份了所以我想因為現在在行政院那邊我們會持續跟行政院來看這個進度多久你預計多久你覺得多久 |
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613.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
627.905 |
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還是你要跟我們講說我們再請公平教育委員會的主委出來之後再說那時候要出來什麼時候要出來不知道我想這部分我們還是要跟行政院這邊來密切的來溝通一下對 多久你們預計嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
629.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
650.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
你們預計多久嘛從2023年6月拖到現在馬上要兩年了因為行政院那邊還有很多的他們要處理很多事情所以你也不敢定時間嘛所以就表示說這是遙遙無期的嘛可是你知道這個遙遙無期會影響多少在市場競爭弱勢一方他的權益我們會緊記在心啦會持續來關切這個問題那個主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
659.312 |
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677.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
我需要一個月給我報告進度好不好報告現在到底到哪一個進度我沒有說叫你一個月要申出來啦我沒有那麼殘忍因為我知道這當中有多必須要協調的一個月報告進度好嗎 謝謝 |