| IVOD_ID |
159056 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159056 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-36-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T09:34:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T09:51:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f998e499dd1e250e8fc7dc3b86466824cbbf0a69acbcd9c1c0b1eef77ac16b5045ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:34:44 - 09:51:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請法務部部長率所屬單位主管列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席其實在開始諮詢以前我有一個事情可能要跟主席說明一下對主席會議程序的主持我都是尊重所以我剛剛靜靜的坐在下面我什麼話也沒講 |
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但是我要跟主席抗議啊我為什麼要跟主席抗議啊當我坐在下面靜靜什麼話都沒有講的時候竟然可以有另外一個委員民主進步黨黨團的總召科建民在那邊按麥克風對著我說黃國昌你不要坐在那邊傻笑這是什麼會議秩序這是什麼會議秩序啊我想要請教我先請教我們的主席啊 |
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我作為司法法治委員會的委員坐在我的位置上我靜靜什麼話都沒有講你怎麼可以放任另外一個坐在下面的立法委員按著麥克風擠著我的鼻子說我不要坐在下面傻笑這符合會議規範嗎 |
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這是我們世法法治委員會應該有的樣子嗎來請教主席可以這樣做嗎黃國昌委員我這邊跟黃國昌委員說聲抱歉我剛剛沒有組織好其實我剛剛已經盡力在組織會議秩序但是有很多人卻把每一次到世法法治委員會都在那邊胡鬧大鬧 |
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那剛剛我確實沒有主導會議這部分我自己會反省柯總召下次我再跟他再溝通一次因為我們上個會議已經溝通非常多次可謂別人在講話的時候不要按麥克風插嘴你在底下講一講喊一喊就算你不要按麥克風插嘴也不要去攻擊其他其他沒有發言的委員那這部分黃國昌委員我這邊跟你說聲抱歉不好意思好沒有關係啊那個謝謝主席我知道 |
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你也辛苦啦但是有一些事情我覺得嚴正的立場必須要表達所以剛剛在口氣上面如果讓主席有覺得比較壓力比較大的部分也請鍾憲兄不要介意來有請部長麻煩部長 |
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部長早其實每個會期法務部的業務報告跟立法計畫是我最重視的事情所以我一定強加拜讀但我看你們今年的業務報告跟立法計畫我看了簡直是瞠目結舌部長這份業務報告跟你上一次來報告的業務報告裡面抄了幾個字你知不知道 |
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抄了幾個字一模一樣喔連標點符號都一樣抄了幾個字你知不知道因為我們政策是延續的是政策是延續的所以照抄嘛好沒有關係我們來看看你所謂政策是延續的是什麼意思啊來我請教一下去年2024年第四季從10月到12月我們透過兩岸共黨逮捕回台的通緝犯有幾個人 |
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政策是延續的嘛所以過去這三個月過去這半年你的成績單才是這個會期我們要講的事情嘛我簡單的問啦過去六個月透過兩岸共打送回來的通緝犯有幾個人 |
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有幾個人自己業務這麼不熟喔這個全部的累計是完成了遣返的512人從什麼時候開始算的從盤古開天開始算啦算到你現在的業務報告有512人啦我關心的是過去六個月回來了幾個人我直接告訴你答案啦ZERO啦第二個 |
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過去六個月透過兩岸檢警機制情資交換所破獲的重大刑案有幾個案子情資交換有四件 |
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不對不對 兩岸檢警 情師交換共計破獲幾案我們是13 我方是13那個陸方是13來啊 錯錯錯我發給你看啦兩邊的報告一模一樣一抄再抄去年講的是512人通緝犯今年還是512人的通緝犯啊所以我一對就知道過去半年是0人嘛第二個 |
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各類重大刑案 去年講的252案今天交出來的是一樣252案逮捕嫌疑犯 去年講的是9642人今天交的也是9624人 一樣啊一模一樣的數字啊這麼簡單的數學這麼簡單的數學我一跪就知道了嘛所以你剛剛在質詢台上面回答的數字是不是錯的 |
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我剛剛是按照你的報告喔 照稿念喔問你說 兩岸檢警透過情勢交換共計破獲重大刑案幾件過去半年幾件 剛剛你回答幾件這沒有 這沒有嘛 所以你剛剛回答是錯的嘛沒有 那個是情勢交換 再來 再來 再來你自己回去聽錄音帶啦 |
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不要在這邊講錯了還要強辯來看一下台美司法互助台美司法互助過去六個月的成績單是什麼 |
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我每一次新的業務報告我關心的是你的成績是什麼嘛過去六個月的成績單是什麼我直接跟部長報告啊我看不到成績單啊因為去年的業務報告報的是111年的事情啊今年的業務報告還報的是111年的事情啊從2024年到2025年的業務報告全部都在拿2022年的事情說嘴 |
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只有用抄來抄去啊只有抄來抄去的報告只有用抄的只有講過去的事才能夠掩飾什麼才能夠掩飾現在法務部毫無作為嘛事情就這麼簡單啊從你你具名的喔上面的報告人啊法務部部長鄭明謙啊 |
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你的大名在上面啊你署名的報告啊所以我認真的拜讀啊我拜讀完了以後我怎麼感覺似曾相識怎麼跟我去年念的報告長得差不多我一比對之下哇很會抄啊複製貼上就好啦來我繼續問一下在你們2025年的立法計畫裡面有要推吹哨子保護法嗎 |
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呃...有嗎?2020吹哨者保護法已經...對啊!去年通過啦!所以我看到你們立法計畫的列表上面有吹哨者保護法我在想你們法務部是抄報告抄到不行人士喔吹哨者保護法去年喔在在野黨合作之下參讀通過了結果法務部2025年的立法計畫還有吹哨者保護法 |
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你們法務部啊 把送到司法法治委員會的報告當什麼抄報告 抄到不省人事啊讓人貪圍官職啊部長 以後不要再出現這種錯誤好不好可以嗎 最基本的要求吧立法計畫欸 這麼重要的事欸潔癖者保護法都三途通過了今年立法計畫還有你笑掉人家大牙 |
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把社會法制委員會當什麼當反正委員都不用公送來的報告也都不用看我青菜糊糊的都沒關係是這樣嗎來五打七安我們繼續講下去來來來來來我先關心一下法務部啊卓榮泰院長說行政院沒有差點啊法務部有差點嗎 |
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你確定沒有差點你回去問清楚啊小事啦小事啦不要裝窮啦沒有差點騙人啦我的習慣我到任何行政機關去考察放在桌上的東西我就是不會動我早就跟他們講不要搞這種訪問路節啊浪費納稅人的錢啊但我直接跟你講重點啊 |
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你們說要打詐說要掃除綠能貪腐我看完你的報告以後我看不懂啊來我們先從這個昨天好不容易最高法院三審定讞鍾文智的案子啊非常有名啊非常有名啊在資本市場上面啊詐騙導致一滑鼓的投資人受害 |
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結果這種綠營權貴在他整個司法訴訟的個案當中什麼叫干預司法個案這才叫干預司法個案在他司法個案的過程當中民進黨的立委不斷的幫他推修法要幫他除罪話 |
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我從過去到現在我回到公民社會到我回到立法院我一直在批判這件事啊我一直在阻擋這件事啊幫這一種金融重犯推動個案修法這才是干預司法可恥的不得了我一直阻擋 |
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我一直揭發裡面的弊端我等到昨天終於最高法院上訴駁回判刑確定但拖太久了啦所以最重的罪還竟然讓他用訴審法減刑我看了非常不滿意啊誰幫他拖延司法程序的誰讓他用訴審法減罪的台灣社會啊要討論人民為什麼對司法的公信力這麼低落這才是應該檢討的問題啊但是 |
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我要談的事情是什麼?剛剛部長在台上講一句話很有道理有證據就辦真的是有證據就辦嗎?中文字的案子有證據就辦嗎?可能從法務部的立場來講他已經三審定讞了,不然你要怎麼做?事情還沒有結束為什麼我說事情還沒有結束?來看2023年2月 |
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這個是在法院的判決裡面講的耶法院的判決裡面講什麼講說中文字他做了什麼事情中文字他做的事情是他是詐騙集團啊他是操縱的主謀啊在法院的判決裡面白紙黑字寫得非常的清楚但法官在判決裡面加一個括號 |
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這個案子 新北地檢新北地檢沒有偵辦 沒有起訴我那時候看到法院的判決書啊白紙黑字這樣寫等於是在洗臉檢察官啊你們就是辦人頭不辦主謀那我法院發現了在判決理由裡面寫的喔我法院發現了說 哇 這個主謀我發現他是主謀 |
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我在有罪的判決事實裡面認定他是主謀但法官知道不告不理後面寫個括號但沒有起訴我那時候看到這個判決書我非常的驚訝所以呢所以我那個時候回到公民社會我雞婆我基於公義2023年2月告發現在是2025年的3月了這個案子偵辦的進度到哪裡不是有證據就辦嗎 |
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還是因為中文字金主啊民進黨的八股很強啊前面的個案幫他拖延幫他推動修法真正的案子新北地檢軟趴趴案子放兩年可以不用辦啊是這樣嗎來 請教 |
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的確是新北這個確定判決如果說有這樣那當然檢察官一定會另外會再做一個分案的一個偵辦嘛那我想這個有證據就是就是一切案件的證據是完全靠證據那謝謝委員的這個一個對啊但是大家有看證據嗎有嗎就是案件本來看證據是啊是啊是啊但是法院在判決書裡面把證據都講得非常清楚啦但為什麼到現在都沒有辦 |
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這個法院是說他這個有涉嫌的話不不不他判決書裡面白紙黑字講得很清楚這個事情我已經質詢過了我還發文給你們叫你們去問新北檢結果部長你完全狀況外喔蛤你完全狀況外這個叫做有證據就辦來來來一模一樣的事情強力掃蕩妨礙綠能產業犯罪非常的好問題是有強力掃蕩嗎 |
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我們再來看一下綠營權貴怎麼不一樣陳啟玉 台研綠能台研綠能搞了半天2017年成立原來2016年陳啟玉知道民進黨政府要推動陳啟玉不是起訴啦起訴啦而且犯罪啦請你把我的問題聽完再回答嘛你急什麼你急什麼聽我把問題問完再回答嘛 |
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2017年成立台研綠能說要推動原來2016年人家知道民進黨要推動綠能早就在外面成立白手套公司在收錢應該給台研綠能的錢沒有給台研綠能全部去外面的白手套公司讓民進黨這些權貴大家有錢搬 |
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分得油滋滋啊分得油滋滋啊這個事情我什麼時候開始講這個事情我從2023年的時候我就公開的在檢舉這件事情結果檢察官起訴的犯罪事實跟我講的一模一樣跟我講的一模一樣但重點是什麼來時間到我給你看最後這一次啊剛剛你說起訴了很多人啊那個起訴的犯罪事實啊我請部長 |
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真的要實質回答那個問題啊就是論事我法律人就是論事啊回去看那個起訴書回去看那個起訴書啊那個起訴的犯罪事實啊原來是我黃國昌2023年啊在我自己YT上面揭露的犯罪事實但是但是 |
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經濟部王美花說她移送檢調的犯罪事實2024年台鹽公司說她移送檢調的犯罪事實包括台南七股的包括台南嘉義的她只有起訴一部分其他的部分通通都沒有動這是我們的行政機關喔 |
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告訴立法院說我早就移送結果移送了他們移送的犯罪事實我後來去鎖之我全部都看到了跟檢察官起訴的犯罪事實是人家起訴人家移送了這麼多結果檢察官起訴的犯罪事實這麼小這個叫做強力打擊率 |
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那個其他的相關的一個犯罪 另外一層辦嘛 對不對對對對這果然是強力掃蕩綠能最安全的辦一辦其他大的部分千萬不要辦 因為辦了什麼動搖國本啊除了陳其玉以外 會掃到哪些人都不知道這個叫強力打擊綠能啊今天 你法務部部長敢在上面寫強力打擊綠能 |
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那我就直接挑戰你們這個叫強力打擊綠能還是我們現在的司法檢調遇到綠營的權貴就轉彎了全體人民心裡會有一把尺我再說一次我今天在這邊講我們那個檢察官辦的就是不分黨派我今天在這邊講的對不對你回去看你回去看檢察官的起訴書再去看當初是怎麼移送的 |
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馬上就知道原來我在這邊講的都是真的謝謝 |