| IVOD_ID |
159045 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159045 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-13T09:16:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-13T09:26:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3b972b8f6f00770f2b9aaf7f2cea2d016de99780e8e59786bbf0a69acbcd9c1c66d4deb5ed01280b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:16:17 - 09:26:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請公平交易委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【本次會議若因當日加開院會而停開，不再另行通知】） |
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好 謝謝主席我是不是請一下陳代理主委請陳代理主委 |
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邱委員早 早 代理主委我想這個您擔任副主委的期間有多長4年 4年了那好像非常少有機會讓您站到備詢台這個尤記我們去年我在質詢的時候已經有先預判到萬一公平會主委有懸缺的時候萬一這個人事案 |
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沒有辦法通過的時候會面臨到什麼狀況很快的現在就是這樣的一個狀態那這個公平會的人事案呢李美跟洪才龍被聯手封殺所以你們原來是有七席的委員現在剩下五席嘛對不對您剛的報告其實講了非常多你們的業務我要請教一下現在剩下五席的狀況 |
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業務運作會不會受到影響你們的會議品質會不會受到影響萬一中間有遇到委員必須要利益迴避的案件的時候會不會有產生人數不足導致沒有辦法開會那 |
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要怎麼做來先就有利益衝突要迴避的時候我想這個可能性是有的如果說真的遇到有利益迴避那委員必須要迴避有可能會遇到人數不足的問題是那至於業務的那你們公民會的業務很顯然就會立刻受到影響就會受到影響會就開不成了對是會有這樣的問題不過這個案子我們希望也不要太多要不然就沒辦法處理了 |
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你希望不要太多 但是有些案子不是你能夠掌控的啊 對不對有一些你的這些公平交易的案子送上來不是你主委說這個我要接 這個我不接這個可能會有利益迴避的問題 所以我就不接所以未來的這個情況 |
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有可能還是會持續的發生會持續的存在公平會的運作裡頭嗎是不是這樣好這個呢剛剛我想這個我們提到了很多的這些案件副主委您自己怎麼樣定位即使你現在是代理的主委你怎麼樣定位您現在的角色跟未來的方向我可不可以聽一下您的看法 |
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我想現在是代理主委嘛那理論就是我做的工作就是主委做的工作所以主委所應該要盡到的責任當然就是我必須盡到的責任那對於未來的規劃我想公平會過去長期的執法已經建立了一些規範 |
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這些規範基本上如果可行而且運作上沒有障礙我會持續的遵循這些規劃當然有些地方是需要改進的那這個部分我也會積極來跟同仁來做溝通過去很多時候我們在立法院裡頭包括你們的法規的修訂啦包括你們的案件審查的時序啦或者是等等這一些其實有過非常多的討論但是我們過去很少 |
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應該是說比較少討論到你們的預算被刪減之後對公平會所產生的影響主委我想跟您請教一下如果就 |
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我們通過的總預算公平匯你們的預算是被刪除526萬並凍結業務費30%這30%大概是1200多萬 |
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那看起來好像對你們的影響不是太大因為這個錢其實很少但是呢你們在南部聯合服務中心有派駐兩位同仁喔雖然我的總的這個預算刪減沒有刪減到你這個部分但是南部 |
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聯合服務中心的業務費是被刪掉百分之百請問你們這兩位同仁還能不能上班還能不能執行業務要不要去執行業務該如何執行業務主委可不可以請問一下就跟剛剛委員所講的因為南部預算中心南部中心的預算並不是在我們會裡面這邊來負責當然實質上也會影響到所以那個部分 |
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其實說實在我也沒辦法提出一個什麼解決方法因為這個就是就是整體的我不要叫你提出解決方法我現在要知道是說你們的運作模式會不會受到影響比如說你現在南部中心的業務百分之百業務費都被刪除了嘛所以他在執行業務上面就會有很多的困難嘛水電衛生紙基本的文書需求等等這些都在業務費的向下嘛那你們的同仁要怎麼辦自備 |
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衛生紙自備紙筆自備所有要開會的東西還是說這些東西從台北運送下來從台北帶下來還是你這兩位同仁乾脆就直接回到台北上班同仁還是在上班啦只是說在上班的過程在南部上班在南部上班那他們現在的上班情況呢工作狀況有沒有受到什麼重大的影響 |
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這個不業務會持續的執行有人了解一下嗎對 但是我們業務實施執行因為預算的三節也會的確會影響到某些一些業務推廣但是我們還是盡量不要讓它影響到民眾的權益這個 |
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主委可能公平會並不直接第一線那麼多的接觸民眾所以你大概還不知道你們現在的業務被刪減之後你會面臨到的問題我就舉一個剛剛您的報告裡頭提到參與國際重要會議我不曉得您這個報告是什麼時候寫的那你講的很重要的是你們有很多國際交流跟政策的推動對不對是好 |
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你知道你的國際旅費被刪多少錢嗎60%你被刪了60%然後你洋洋灑灑跟我寫了這麼多你要做的國際交流請問你要怎麼做我只問你這一條就好跟委員報告一下我們寫的是過去已經做了未來的確已經受到影響我可以跟委員講就是說將來參與國際事務目前我們已經受到很大的一個限制 |
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那可能影響到的就是將來派出去同仁授訓或是跟國外交流的人數我們必須要控管甚至有些會議我們就沒辦法參加了所以的確是有產生因為這個63%減對國際業務推展所以未來會怎麼樣我們還是這是一個挑戰所以主委啊我覺得你剛剛的業務報告啊你其實應該很清楚告訴大家現在的預算刪減到這樣的時候對於你業務所產生的影響你不是報喜不報憂啊你現在講的這些東西都是你未來做的 |
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持續性的常態性你們都會做這些國際交流嘛我現在只有跟你講一個國際交流你被刪了60%你有很多工作是不能做的其實你應該在業務報告的時候提出來啊否則我們在檢討你的業務的時候發現你業務報告講一堆結果你沒有辦法做到那其實也是你帶乎職守啊這個立法委員就職下來還是罵你雖然預算是他們砍的 |
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所以我覺得這個東西很務實的要去面對預算被刪減了之後你的整體業務推動會面臨到什麼樣的困境你其實在這一期的業務報告裡頭你就要很清楚的講所以我接下來要再請教您一個問題剛剛在講到這個聯合壟斷的事情公平會其實處理很多叫聯合壟斷這個叫做配鎖工會 |
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這些鎖匙 鎖匙的這些工會 他們最近接到你們的警告說呢 他們這個工會有一個聯合定價的標準這個已經行之多年了 從民國78年成立以來 他們就有一些參考的價目但是你們現在發了一個警告函給他 你說這個叫違法 這個叫聯合壟斷 |
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所以這些工會的人就很緊張啊他對民國七十八年開始就大家討論說啊我這配色差不多是太多開色差不多是太多大家有一個range有一個收費的標準不會讓人家隨便哄抬價格過去的運作都很順利結果你現在跟他說你這叫做聯合壟斷他啊我可能會跟你開罰 |
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這是一個所使公會提到的去年有很多醫生來跟我反映掛號費衛福部說可以漲價所以醫師公會他們就去討論了掛號費到底要怎麼漲可以漲多少所以醫師公會大概有討論了一個range結果醫師公會也收到你們警告信說這個叫聯合壟斷 |
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到底聯合壟斷的定義是什麼如果他訂定了一個合理的收費標準收費範圍這樣是不是也叫聯合壟斷法條上面是這樣子解釋的嗎主委我請教一下跟委員報告一下聯合行為在公平法裡面是規範最嚴格的行為就是說原則上你就是不能做聯合行為 |
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當然委員有談到配所有一個合理的Range讓消費者知道大概要多少錢這個其實都可以依照公平法第15條的規定來申請豁免我們是有提供業者可以集體來提供豁免你這樣有哪些行業是可以申請豁免或是說這些工會要自己個別去申請你們有人去跟他們做過這樣子的溝通或者是說明或者是宣導嗎宣導都有但是申請還是他們必須要主動來申請 |
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透過工會等等來申請那我現在跟你舉例的這個例子比如說他現在收到了你們這個警告信他如果是可以符合豁免的是不是也能夠請你們主動來再去跟他們說明一下再去宣導然後通知他們來申請豁免我覺得有一些行業要避免被 |
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胡亂烘台價格被胡亂收費所以它有可能產生一個訂費訂收費的標準但是我不認為這個叫聯合壟斷當然你認為在公平交易法裡頭訂定的非常清楚可是我覺得有一些定義或者是說有一些行業別你還是要把它做為稍微有一點區分這個部分是不是能夠請你們是我們會讓民眾知道在公平法對於這些特殊情況的一些可行的感到OK 謝謝好 |