| IVOD_ID |
159030 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159030 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-12T14:31:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-12T14:47:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/068df7098ba6a5ffcd765f0e735d652942177c27e96a00456e1b84427e832226ec6d484a9071cdc95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:31:26 - 14:47:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議（事由：一、「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案（3月11日）。二、「財政收支劃分法」第八條、第十六條之一及第三十條條文覆議案（3月12日）。） |
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好 主席 在場的卓院長帶領的行政團隊那麼與會的先進有請卓院長以及財主莊部長和主席長請卓院長、莊部長還有主席長備詢 |
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中委員好院長好 部長好 主席長好我今天要質詢的題目是市錢為病童移轉 人民權益產弱化中央國防無以開門一道先問一個比較輕鬆的院長小時候求學答題有答過填空題吧請問這一題很惡門喔我繳稅不是為了養什麼 |
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A 養台積電嗎?請問我們繳稅是不是養台積電嗎?台積電應該是賺很多外匯繳很多稅來提供給我們政府吧那會不會是B 是養台電嗎? |
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現在台電說要編一千億我們繳稅是為了養台電嗎因為台電負擔了很多的補貼的政策所以並不是要養台電不是要養台電是要安定我們的民生店家所以它造成財務上的歸索是因為這樣子那沒錯那可能就是C囉我繳稅不是為了養共匪您同意嗎什麼是共匪有沒有看到右下角那是什麼那麻將那個是什麼 |
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那個麻將子啊我是不會打的但我知道這個叫什麼叫做武統啦什麼是武統鼓吹武統就是共匪來我們看今天大家新聞報道有位中配芽芽他主張鼓吹中國武力吞併台灣是不是涉及外犯罪 |
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這種言論在台灣應該不會被任何一個人所接受是所以我們這個剛剛早上內政部有答覆過了對於他的拘留我們要 |
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很好,居留...好,我們來看一下居留,這個部長要上來了,歡迎歡迎我們據報導,說他原來是跟台灣人結婚,後來離婚然後再跟中國人結婚,但是他在之前跟台灣人婚姻有一個女兒這女兒當然是我們國民啦所以他後來是以女兒的身份來申請跟女兒來依親然後他的父母又來探親,是這樣子的嗎? |
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那這樣子我們看看他們一家人除了女兒是在台灣出生的話其他的都不是台灣啊是不是這樣院長是這樣嗎還是要請部長補充所以我說依親要愛他的這個親不能來依了那跟這個親人所在的地方完全相違背的認知所以這點是不是請部長去查明一下好不好 |
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報告委員這個網路上面的訊息跟他自己個人家庭的狀況不太一樣但是我們都是按照兩岸人民關係條例跟入出境管理的相關辦法來處理 |
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好,謝謝劉部長,請回所以報告院長,我們還有裁處兩位部長、主席長人民繳稅不是為了養共匪,對不對?人民繳稅是為了照顧社會,是要維護身家好,那請問我們這次主題了財發法修法後,我們中央跟地方的財源消長,是不是所得稅地方會增加一趴營業稅地方會從百分之十變成百分之百 |
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那麼土增稅呢也是增加了20%因此從中央移轉到地方的稅源收入高達3753億是這樣嗎是114年計算的話好那請問院長那如果這種情況下我們中央政府不舉債我們財源大幅減少什麼業務會受到影響有很多的業務會受到影響是不是這些您去年在23號12月23號記者會議說嘛 |
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屋房經費會受到影響嘛對不對快兩三千億嘛撥補勞保會受到影響嘛交通建設會受影響嘛我們農業線的農業農損會受影響嘛年輕人的社宅租補會受影響嘛一般弱勢的醫療健保會受影響嘛還有國家少子女化的應對會少影響嘛 |
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那請問院長您上午有說了這些事權因隨財權來移轉那請問哪些項目這些項目哪些是可以由地方政府或應該由地方政府來承接的可以告訴大家嗎國防經費國防預算跟國防當然不可以由地方只有中央能做是所以可以移轉的是不是醫療健保農業交通建設這可以移轉嗎是這個 |
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有部分可以 那我們來看一下早上有國民黨在院委員在提到修法前修法後動審前動審後他說動審前省加縣市地方分配到40%中央是60%動審後就是目前的狀態縣市政府是25%中央75%修法後縣市變成40%中央是60%那請問院長 |
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修法後省的財源回歸給地方政府那麼原來省政府所承擔的業務是不是應該要回歸給地方政府有11%在經省之前它是屬於省政府的經省之後它是移到中央來那現在財給地方的它帶來的不只是收入而已它還有更多的支出有一個數字就是收入減支出它是 |
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多了兩千五百 中央多負擔了兩千多億多負擔了中央從省承接的財源之外我們多支出的一來一往還多要負擔兩千多億好 我們來看一下哪些至少我過去在地方政府府我知道的包括什麼省立醫院過去是省政府衛生廳現在是衛生署接收請問您所知道的地方政府願意接手這些由原來省立醫院改成衛生署署立醫院現在是部立醫院 |
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19間加上26個機構不利因為目前扣除這張補助目前是虧損的還是盈餘的 |
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除了願不願意接手之外還要看看他能不能維持這樣目前的量能有沒有地方要表示他們要接手的到現在應該沒有所以原來省的中央負擔了錢還給的地方但是呢醫院還是中央在承擔對嘛是這樣往下看來最他最熟悉的過去我的母校人力屏中現在改成了什麼國力屏中 |
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好 但是呢改成國立之後呢六度的部分又改成市立請問這原來省立改國立 國立改成市立的這些中學的錢誰在付當然現在改成國立只有中央來付那又改成市立之後呢我想這個在 |
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學生家長的生應該很難接受這樣的事實而且將來整個維持也沒有辦法像中央現在這樣的能力來處理因為今天的部會首長沒有權來教育部長會告訴你那些六都的國力改成勢力之後大部分的錢還是中央補助 |
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主席長是不是這樣子 是的沒錯 你可以對著麥克風講好 還有一個什麼還有一個少子女化對策我們的生育育兒津貼 托育津貼現在是中央在支付嘛 對不對但是六都有加碼嘛 是不是是好 那現在中央預算縮水了地方的財源增加了請問有沒有哪個地方政府他說他增加補助的 有聽說嗎有沒有我們跟地方溝通的狀況 沒有沒有 那請問你中央的財源減少了中央補助的會不會縮水呢 |
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這一定會縮大一點一定會縮水好那我們就知道了如果我們財化法亂劃那就還有什麼影響來我們看一下捷運的建設經費過去中央跟地方有一個分攤比例嘛那請問一下目前基隆跟新北市他們都在炒啊那如果中央的財源預算減少分攤比例中央的部分會不會減少 |
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這一定要調整一定要調整地方要增加否則就是整個時間要拉長好那如果地方的財源增加地方分擔的比例要不要增加一定要增加好那我們來看一下您剛提到這個都是我們地方會影響到有一個只有中央在辦的這近五年來我們中央國防對外的軍購超過一千億從2020年到2024年買了這麼多的軍備保衛我們的國家請問當我們的財源縮水之後我們國防預算縮減之後對外的軍購夠不夠 |
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是夠夠夠還是不夠不夠不夠會一直一直的不夠這個院長滿滿意滿快的我們的幹事長吳志堯說不夠不夠不夠現在你是一直一直一直都不夠好那我們來看一下 |
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藍白三國防預算入行台灣的防衛會不會增加中國侵犯我們的意圖在美國的聯邦參議員蘇利文他在一個聽證會上說台灣關心台灣他關心台灣立法院三選國防預算他抨擊是玩危險遊戲院長有看到這樣的一個報導嗎 |
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是的 好 相對的我們也看到了中國的軍方在3月9號發布說如果台灣分裂主義加強他怎麼樣 要增加我們的繳索他在2025年要把國防預算增加7.2%院長 我們目前台灣的國家生存最大威脅是不是來自於對岸他是對我們相當有侵略的敵意好 那他們的國防預算增加我們要不要相對應的要提高 |
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我們採取不最正的作戰方式但是強化自己這是基本的條件只有我們夠強我們才不會走上被併吞的那條路很好 |
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我念文組的我們喜歡看以前的一些股市以前有一個話叫做開門一道什麼意思呢他說如果我要出遠門那麼我有拜託鄰居守望相助那鄰居怎樣我自己要把門窗鎖好我鄰居會幫我注意他甚至會幫我把信箱裡面幫我代收郵件免得被小偷知道說這一家人不在家是不是這樣子 |
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如果我們一個人希望人家幫你守望相助門窗要守好嘛叫報紙不要 雜誌不要送萬一有寄信來 鄰居代收 是不是這樣但是如果你出遠門你家裡門窗都不關你想鄰居會幫你開門嗎不會嘛自我安全的意思基本上要有 |
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所以如果不關好門戶,鄰居不會來相助賊就會趁機光顧所以我們來請教一個時事問題請問一下葉霸老師最近很有名葉霸說他罵傅坤祺通匪院長你可以理解為什麼葉霸要罵傅坤祺通匪為什麼我們尊重個人言論的表達 |
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那你認不認為這些報紙上他在媒體上所表示的他要求他拒絕傅坤祺的道歉他說除非你停止親共賣國停止立法院這些亂法他還指稱他是一個舔共賣財的領頭羊這些內容你覺得有沒有社會共鳴應該引起很多人對他的尊敬可是我很好奇啊葉老師從小在花蓮出生長大受國家栽培他也幫國家做於英才結果呢 |
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他面對的這個傅坤祺,我們看他做了什麼事情花蓮鄉親,這是才化法,傅坤祺總召領頭,花蓮多了161億為什麼花蓮鄉親不感激他還有他說要立花東三法,三個特別條例啊,會增加很多花蓮的建設啊 |
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照說如果這樣子做花蓮人應該很感恩他為什麼這些為花蓮培育做英才的老師40年退休80年的高齡會居然罵他通匪你覺得原因是什麼葉霸老師常年在花蓮也深受尊敬他自然有他觀察的角度跟方向這個都受到大家的尊重 |
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好 那我們來看一下一般人怎麼解讀今天下一頁我們看到藍白他們惡收財化法造成我們中央的財源不足必須減少中央的國防預算那在這種台灣自己不願意做好自己的國防防禦能力盟友當然不願意協防啊 |
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那如果盟友不願意協防 我們又無力防衛那就是扼殺我們的保衛意志這不是形同讓外敵增加他的範囲嗎你門窗不鎖好 鄰居不會幫你守望相助不是鼓勵小豆來光顧嗎院長 是不是這個道理所以我們一直主張呼籲要更團結我們如果分裂 敵人就會更強大所以我們一定要更團結好啦 那現在怎麼辦 |
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現在要避免這個情況發生才化法我看今天質詢到現在災黨還是很堅持認為可能待會的投票呼籲不通過那如果呼籲不能通過怎麼辦院長有什麼方法防止人民的權益慘怎麼樣防止國家的安全喪失 |
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保衛國家安全跟照顧社會跟人民的福祉跟國家整體經濟建設的發展政府這個工作絕對不會停下來但是我們會尋求另外一個方式我們來改變現在已經修正過的財化法我們有沒有機會來改變讓它能夠趨向更合理的修法好 那底下我請院長指示兩位部長跟主席長請做這兩件事情 請盤點 |
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原來由中央買單的哪些人民的權利會因此而縮水可不可以讓人民知道可以嗎第二個原來由中央分擔的地方建設哪些會受到波及可以嗎 |
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院長可以指示部長跟主席長做這個事嗎資料上我們都有這樣的準備要充分的讓來民知道接下來這一個事情比較複雜要用一點點時間現在財化法它叫做財政收支劃分法收入跟支出都在財化法裡面做區隔是不是這樣不是只有分收入 |
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879.274 |
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也要分什麼支出嘛是不是這樣好那現在我們是先把收入分配出去之後再由中央跟地方各自去支出嘛那如果軍購真的很重要過去我們軍購預算是不是用特別條例院長是不是這樣如果有特別預算的話一定是特別條例好那所以我要請你為了顧及台灣的國防有沒有可能未來我們的軍購特別預算可以排除 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
880.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
909.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我們財化法就是優先於財化法的收入分配之前先來支應我們國家保惠安全的預算可以往中方去研議嗎基於國防的需求那麼衡量我們的財政能力如果我們認為需要有一個比較長期間的特別預算跟特別特別條例跟特別預算我們會朝向這樣方式請求大院來支持那這樣的特別條例他在支用預算的時候他這個錢是不是優先於財化法的收入分配之前 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
910.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
935.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
就是說收回來的稅這個大餅還沒分之前先由這個特別條例要軍購的先拿走剩下的才來依財化分配是不是這個道理部長是這樣嗎院長是這樣嗎目前不是這樣執行不過但是要看這個特別條例的修法特別條例裡面必須要明訂經費的來源那請院長特別注意未來如果軍購特別預算的特別條例請一定要寫上這一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
953.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
960.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
好,謝謝鍾委員下一位請馬文君委員質詢 |