| IVOD_ID |
159027 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159027 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-12T11:05:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-12T11:24:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/068df7098ba6a5ff704545c5d433c00242177c27e96a004534bb49d22970db3912ef279f21671aaf5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:35 - 11:24:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議（事由：一、「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案（3月11日）。二、「財政收支劃分法」第八條、第十六條之一及第三十條條文覆議案（3月12日）。） |
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好 主席 我想時間先不要計算我要提一個權宜問題因為從昨天到今天在我們整個復議案的質詢過程裡面都有民進黨的委員在現場 |
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那麼有委員在現場質詢的時候呢下面呢有叫囂甚至錄影事實上我們都知道比如說我們現在在議場裡面是完全直播的也不像是我們在平常可能在審查法案的時候大家可能人很多那可能有的照不清楚 |
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那所有的委員在這裡來發言質詢還有官員質詢答詢都完全是直播的我不理解就是在委員在質詢的時候為什麼還有人要拍影片還有人要叫囂所以主席我一定要反映的是其實我們在立法院人或有大家有一些衝突或者是有一些爭議但是基本上我覺得委員的質詢權 |
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應該要被維護所以在這邊呢也拜託包含我們主席還有我們的各政黨請能夠去尊重每一位的委員至少他的質詢權這就是跟我們在議場裡面大家有爭吵啦或者有辯論是不一樣的因為這是一個質詢的時間以上希望我們至少在議場 |
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大家過去長期以來意義就是所有的這個委員的完整的質詢權能夠得到維護啊那謝謝王航威委員的直接提出的會議詢問那立法委員行為刑事法第七條命運規定就是這裡面我們想互相尊重下質詢的委員如果委員不提出來其他的委員錄影啊什麼 |
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我們沒有主動的處理但既然有質詢的委員提出他不希望被其他委員錄影主席一定要出面支持這點要請各位委員能互相理解我想這種感受是相同的所以再一次呼籲我們尊重我們質詢委員的權益這點要特別要拜託大家那另外一點就是這一次我們全員委員會的整個 |
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謝謝主席我想請我們卓院長還有我們的經濟部長 郭部長 |
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今天沒有郭部長是吧好那就先請院長 |
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院長我想一開頭我花一點時間針對有關於台積電赴美國投資的部分因為大家都非常的關心尤其其實當時郭部長在這邊也講過很多次說因為台積電並沒有正式提出申請但是我們都知道我們任何的一個企業 |
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附國外投資都應該經過投審會所以我想請問一下如果今天包含美國的總統府以及內總統也隨同這個威哲家董事長也在總統府裡面召開記者會請問一下台積電申請跟投審會申請我們投審會到底會不會給他通過 |
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依照我們相關到國外投資的法令一定要按照裡面的規定以好幾項 我覺得第六條還是第幾條我現在背不出來條文我跟院長說明一下我們包含我們產業創新條例以及我們公司國外投資處理辦法都有相關規定 |
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那事實上因為過去台積電曾經到中國大陸投資也引起相關的技術有沒有外移的疑慮所以當時對於中國大陸投資有一個N-1的一個相關的規定所以我想請問一下 |
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到中國大陸投資我沒有擔心我們的先進的製程跟技術沒有辦法繼續的領先同樣的到美國投資是不是也有同樣的疑慮是不是應該適用同樣相關的規定我在跟產業界的溝通當中第一條談到的就是這個那我包括我本人經濟部郭部長還有我們國安會 |
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劉主委我們都一起跟產業談過很多次是不是請劉主委能夠再說明一下委員我們有三個原則我們一定會把握很清楚第一個最新的技術不會過去最關鍵的技術不准過去再來國家安全優先主委你這樣都很空泛我剛才是很實質的講就是你對中國大陸投資有N-1就是我們必須要領先一個世代所以我們堅持到底您放心 |
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所以我請問太空了我們是不是也適用要N-1甚至有人講到N-2我們是不是也適用這個相關規定 |
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我們是一定會適用的對我想中國大投資有技術可能會被移轉的疑慮那同樣的對美國投資我們也希望我們的技術能夠領先就請主委先請回時間暫停我請一下我們的我們的主計長還有財政部長麻煩請主計長財政部長 |
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院長兩位首長今天才化法拿到立法院來附議但是我們說過很多次過去因為才化法二十多年長達二十五年都沒有修正而過去民進黨在在野的時候多次提出一定要修才化法 |
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所以才化法修正絕對不是毒蛇猛獸這個過去我們歷任包含賴清德總統當市長的時候也要求包含當時柯建民總召他也說就是一定要修才化法那為什麼到現在修才化法竟然變成一個什麼復義竟然變成癱瘓政府的事情我覺得簡直是莫名其妙我們先看一下影片好不好 |
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所以我們認為最優先應該是財政收支發動法今天我們民進黨怎麼會有可能再讓這個議題讓馬來西亞再回覆呢所以我們認為這次臨時會財政法是一個很重要優先法案 |
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我們要讓網友很清楚財政法是當年我在編預算的時候常常是側夜南北半夜醒過來是全身冷汗從我當主席以來第一件事就是把民進黨執政縣市長約請來黨中央一起大聲的呼籲要趕快通過財政授制化分化 |
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財政收支化文化攸關地方縣市政府的正常運作也攸關每一個縣市民的權益我們呼籲做國家領導人沒有長遠的眼光起碼要解決眼前的問題 |
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好 可以看到當時民進黨在野的時候不管是黨主席 縣市長 或者是黨鞭都認為《財化法》是絕對優先的法案不然呢 半夜睡覺都會發冷汗可是等到民進黨執政的時候遲遲沒有提出《財化法》的修正 |
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甚至在去年財委會開始有財化法修正因為我們很多的委員提出版本早在去年四月份就已經開始召開公聽會而且召開公聽會不僅是請學者專家也請了地方的縣市首長或者是財政局長一起來開會我相信當時我們的部長通通在現場 |
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好了去年4月就已經開始已經著手在修正開公聽會的到目前為止請問一下院長我們行政院有提出任何才化法的版本嗎一年了快一年了委員我今天早上這是講第三次了我們的版本就在我手上而且剛剛那三段影片都是2012年 |
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我也講了第三次了2012年地方政府的財政短促集體來講589億元2023年地方政府集體剩餘的剩餘數高達648億元就是說當時確實地方政府財政短促589億元 嚴重那經過這幾年雖然財化法沒有修正但是我們用各種的方式 |
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所以院長的意思是說在你們的執政之下地方政府都不需要財化法你看這又是在帶風向3月6號來我們財政部長3月6號我們是不是 |
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來召開了一個就是你們提出你們相關也不是正式的版本啦只是你們一個相關的一個方向而財政部呢國庫署署長對外說多數的這個縣市首長啊縣市都支持財化都支持財政部的版本這是被國庫署講的 |
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但是我想請問一下卓院長當時你也在立法院說現在的裁判法的版本是最好的版本最棒的版本我修正一下是不是標題下錯了我說現在裁判法是我們執行起來最最最有把握的版本沒有欸這不是只有這一個標題喔有人說卓科說現行是最棒的版本有人說是最好的版本我始終說是最有把握的版本 |
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這都是你之前說的你現在做修正現在你們就一再的自我打臉我剛才說財政部國庫署對外講說多數的縣市都支持財政部的修正的方向其實你們還沒有版本出來你們根本沒有版本出來 |
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結果立刻包含南投縣縣長許書華立刻出來他說他支持立法院的財化法版本希望趕快上路雲林縣縣長張立善也說財政部的財化法根本沒有得到共識 |
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還有中東警 苗栗縣縣長中東警縣長也說他支持的是立法院的裁判法版本好了 這麼多的縣市長在你們財政部在亂帶風向之後突然通通出來打臉行政院第一個 |
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行政院沒有到現在為止沒有版本我剛講了早在去年四月我們財務會已經召開公聽會了你們不拿出版本然後呢對立法院的財化法版本極盡污衊之能事甚至還造謠說大部分的縣市是支持行政院的修法方向 |
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這會不會造謠 造過頭了院長你覺得這是一個修正這麼重要的法案應該有的一個態度嗎這樣的程序是對的嗎跟地方的溝通我請部長來說明但是委員請不要用造謠兩個字來掩蓋過去在任何事情上產生的錯誤部長請是 |
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跟委員說明財委會從去年當然一直有關注財化法的修正但是我們也一再說明財政部一直都在努力第一個我們必須要做充分的討論集約最大的一個共識才有助於修法的推動那所以財政部也在 |
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八十幾個指標裡面跟地方政府多次的會談以後已經把這個部分有最大的共識而這三個有第一的指標我們再三次演放部長請問一下你們得到各縣市的共識了嗎3月6號我們基本上的說法是大部分當然還有其他地方政府的意見我們會納入參考但是大部分的共識怎麼個大部分法呢 |
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因為財化法的一個財源的分配必須要配合市權調整這個包含專家學者以及在座的部分大家都沒有意見本來就是財權要隨同市權做調整但是這一次財化法的修正案它只是做財權的調整而沒有做市權的調整其實你們說了很多次大家都有意見 |
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到目前為止你們沒有任何版本提出來因為妳在倒帶 之前我在台北匯報聽了多少次來 院長我請問一下因為在昨天是不是在今天有講 對不起 因為我剛才沒有進來 |
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那麼你有講說在我們總預算復議案不夠的時候你就要下鄉宣講總預算老實講我不曉得你們怎麼下鄉法啦因為昨天副總召在這邊一個一個問所有的部會首長問你們到底今年的預算是多少然後跟去年比較增加多少減少多少 |
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還有幾個部長上來根本不知道今年自己部會的預算到底是多少講都講不出來我不曉得你怎麼宣講但是我想請問一下財化法你也要下箱宣講嗎財化法今天的復議案也極可能不過不會通過那請問一下財化法你也要下箱宣講嗎告訴大家我們中央不要給你們那麼多錢我們不要還是要中央來集錢跟集權嗎 |
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中央如果喪失了對財政健全的能力也喪失了我們對地方這種平衡均衡的能力我想應該讓地方知道而且中央維持的是我們中央包括國防外交等等屬於中央權限不屬於地方自治市長能不能維持這樣的財政能力院長你要不要下鄉宣講才化法復議案過或不過 |
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我都有可能 如果有必要都會到各地去告 向人民報告其實我很期待你下鄉宣教財法告訴我們地方說中央不要給你那麼多錢好 我要講一下財化法修正喔 |
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我們其實提到就是它對地方的用錢事實上是可以更有效率我舉一個例子來說尤其台灣的地震非常多以我們好幾次地震都造成很多的學校校舍嚴重的毀損 |
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那麼事實上過去以教育部每一年他都有編預算就是補助地方來做老舊校舍的改建你在台灣我們台北市就非常多都已經變成這個快要變成歷史古蹟了 |
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超過50年的比比皆是而過去教育部大概每一年只編大概30到40億來補助地方這個金額如果你拿台北市台北市過去一年大概就拿40億每一年拿40億為學校做老舊下設的加速改建因為孩子的安全這是最重要的所以以台北市來說 |
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台北市現在如果他一年就是這個我們立法院的才化法版本通過他可以 |
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針對一百個學校來做校舍改建老舊校舍改建他就會花在把錢花在包口上因為如果每年你只靠三十十億台北市我猜台北市還是比較有錢的縣市你今年就是以中央每一年才三四十億給全部的縣市怎麼可能完成校舍改建還有以我們台北市來說 |
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老舊市場大家都知道其實大家都希望能夠都市更新但是你光是旁邊的房子更新的漂漂亮亮但是很多的老舊市場事實上會成為一個適容的景觀甚至成為一些衛生的難題所以在台北市它也可以做老舊市場的改建還有 |
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以台北市來講,如果才化法修正,會有六個路線的捷運路線,可以六線啟發。而這個並不是只是加惠於台北市而已,整個大台北地區可以增加非常多的路線,以及它的轉應點。 |
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那另外在托老托幼的照顧上他們也會增加非常多所以我要講的是不要不信任地方政府不要不信任地方政府地方政府拿到這些錢的時候因為剛才有很多委員說我們就減少好多的補助啊 |
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地方政府當他的財政充裕夠充裕的時候他可以非常精準的來做他的地方的地區的建設請教委員0403的地震中央撥了將近300億以及去年三個颱風中央調整了151億那這個錢以後是中央還地方 |
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這個是重大災害重大災害還可以編特別預算是不是 對不對 |
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好 谢谢 |