| IVOD_ID |
159010 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159010 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-11T10:51:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-11T11:08:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a37056a99b6ff728b2f53192722adb3131125bfab2e25e257baf9d4aee1cbbae0d19e8fa393994795ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴瑞隆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:51:41 - 11:08:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議（事由：一、「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案（3月11日）。二、「財政收支劃分法」第八條、第十六條之一及第三十條條文覆議案（3月12日）。） |
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好 謝謝主席 請卓院長來 請卓院長備詢欸 卓院長辛苦了齁 卓院長辛苦了齁其實我首先還是要先講一下其實剛剛聽了前面幾個委員的質詢我感到非常的遺憾啦齁我看到了副會計委員 |
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他跟其實三位聯合質詢用了45分鐘結果看到幾乎是他一個人獨用的45分鐘把兩位女性委員幾乎當陪襯一樣我覺得這真的是很不尊重特別是在剛過三八國際婦女節其實大家都對女性非常的尊重我們也出過女總統 |
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有很優秀的一些女性的人員的時候那結果在執行台上三位的聯合如果你這樣的話那你又何必請兩位陪襯在你旁邊呢我覺得對來說又再次凸顯出來這種父權思想非常非常的不恰當你可以多用一點點時間大家可以接受你幾乎是兩位幾乎完全是沒用我認為這個真的是大走回頭路讓大家非常的失望這個我想也趁這個機會 |
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也再次的提出來 那裡面當然我看到了 聽到我也非常遺憾看到副委員還拍桌甚至還講所謂的說謊 還講可恥這個在國會議場上公然說人家說謊公然的說可恥 這是很嚴重的問題我認為應該要提出確切的那如果沒有的話 這個是非常不恰當的我不知道院長親自面對這樣的事情 你的看法是怎麼樣 |
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我一直從520之後第一天在這個議場裡面我就說朝野希望和解共生那我一向如此那剛剛那一段質詢最後我也跟兩位委員旁邊兩位委員翁委員跟林委員說如果他們今天沒有機會講的話有任何的問題我們都可以談我也覺得對他們兩位非常不好意思但是誠如委員所說的在 |
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一次聽上尤其把所有的官員請上來那麼一句話兩句話都說你說謊而且我覺得施政的能力不是在考那種記憶力數字當然數字技術很重要但不是用一個數字就表示說你是說謊你不說謊這樣的邏輯太過於簡單也太過於針對性我希望大家能夠理性的面對 |
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我覺得行政立法之間還是要相互有基本的尊重雖然來到這邊被選 但我覺得基本尊重你是用理去說服人 你是用你的道理去讓整個行政機關願意改變思維 那這個才是一個好的做法那如果明明是無理的 明明是不對的 硬要拗 硬用罵 硬用羞辱的方式要去逼行政機關妥協讓步 怎麼讓步國家怎麼退步 這怎麼能做 所以我覺得 |
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國會的亂象也是現在大罷免的一個主要原因去年一整年我親自在現場我從來沒有看過我在國會將近十年的時間我從來沒有看過這麼荒腔走板的一個國會不管是在這個迴憲亂政甚至於明明99.9%的法律學者都要說你違憲結果實役不聽包括 |
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所有的這些的預算的審查大家要求你好好的來討論尊重委員會的討論然後要不然你至少在草野協商聽聽行政機關的意見完全不聽利用半個小時內送出三份四份的修正再修正更正版送出來連立委都不知道在表決什麼這樣處理這樣的總預算怎麼不會有問題這樣的總預算國家怎麼來執行 |
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所以我認為我堅決的支持行政院的復議啦因為你不復議的話我也不知道你要怎麼執行光那個差額就600多億這怎麼執行而且我認為這個也是荒腔走板哪有立法院的預決你只在預決而已你本來就不能夠有任何增加預算或調整預算的權利的你怎麼可以刪掉一個數叫行政院自行去調整那這樣的話整個國家怎麼運作所以我認為裡面有提到非常多不管是數字對不攏包括 |
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刪減數額超過了明明只有1.1億刪到了1.4億那你要講出一番道理出來不然這是國家的恥辱一個立法院竟然刪成這樣子你好歹刪出一個道理讓大家覺得你是一個懂數字有道理的立法院那這樣子講當然大家無法接受包括你的業務費整個監察院把他96.5的業務費全部給 |
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刪除掉了那你要監察院立法院跟監察院在憲政上還是一個對等的關係你這樣子用這樣方式這人民怎麼接受你要不你就修憲嘛你如果認為要把他修憲你又不提出修憲把監察院給廢掉你用這樣的方式癱瘓掉監察院這怎麼能夠運作包括行政院被刪減了45%的業務費怎麼運作甚至於總統府被凍結了61%的一個費用 |
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這都很多都涉及到國家的這個包括外國元首來到台灣做很多的相關的應對的所以我覺得這些亂山亂動才是導致到這個台灣亂象才知道台灣的整個人民的不安的最主要的原因才是也是導致現在行政院必須提出復議的原因然後我們真的期盼這個藍白能夠 |
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懸崖勒馬啦最後一關的時候能夠認錯改過能夠來接受這樣的附議案回到立法院內重新審議該刪的當然刪啊立法院從來哪有不能刪一算當然可以刪一算但是不是亂刪亂砍讓行政機關無法運作讓其他司院無法運作這個就是荒腔走板我們講的是這個道理嗎院長同意這樣的看法嗎非常感謝委員兩點跟委員報告我1999年來到立法院也待了四五年 |
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從來沒有遇到過這樣的刪減法不能我面對的是國民黨的行政院長是民進黨的行政院長預算到最後會非常嚴謹的 |
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寫出每一個數字那就是最終數字三讀的時候也只能修改標點符號連數字也不得得這才是預算的真正意義連到三讀的通過的時候還整個亂的整個數字全是亂的外交部等七個部會這次都是三減數超出我們的預算數我只其中的 |
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司法院好了司法院的派員出國計畫跟交通運輸設備合計超過預算數三減之後超過預算數391萬那叫司法院怎麼辦那不只喔有外交部有監察院有行政院本部有司法院有內政部國土署有農業部也有中選會七個部會單位 |
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三減之後超過預算數那這樣我們怎麼去調整呢我們能夠把它說減回來嗎還是自己把它補上來都不行所以通過復疫重新審疫是最好的一個方式在我認為也是唯一解救的方法 |
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院長 如果照這樣的方式 如果這樣的荒腔走板的 甚至於讓癱瘓掉整個政府的運作的你都行政院不提復議的話 那我想這是愧疚國家 愧疚自己無法交代而且我也認為復議是最好的解方藍白很多立委都知道自己 坦白講他們知道自己錯了啦 |
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那錯了最好的方法就是回到副議員接受之後回到立法院重新再來處理這也是最快的方法嘛你其實犯了錯接下來要求還要再提追加預算要求趕快解凍追加預算的程序走得相當的漫長嘛還有解凍的時間也很漫長很多時間拖到了下半年去等同整個預算就無法運作了 |
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台灣的經濟力就會受到影響世界各國要來台灣投資怎麼來看所以我認為這些都不是最好的方法我支持行政院的復一案應該要立法院要來同意回到立法院合理理性的討論我想這是人民的期待也是國家之福啦好 再來我請教一下最近以美恨川這件事情其實在台灣是在發酵的 |
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那中國其實統戰部石泰鋒很清楚的要求要去做這樣的因為這個東西包括以美論就是川普即將出賣台灣包括棄台論台積電要變美積電包括失敗論你面對中國台灣必定失敗這個顯然就是一個認知作戰顯然就是一個很刻意的一個操作院長怎麼來看待現在中國操作的這些以美論棄台論跟失敗論這四個字 |
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也是從中共統戰部所說出來的話那如果我們國內也用這四個字來國內散播甚至來做這樣國會殿堂上的不當的對話那就是跟他們唱和在一起不足為奇跟我們競爭的無論他有沒有多深的敵意或者是競爭的對手當他的意見跟我們相鎖的時候國人應該站在我們一起一起來提升我們自己的防衛能力所以以美 |
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台灣跟美國在內的所有民主有門國家都是我們認為都應該成為可信賴的盟友互相在各方面多做很多的交流川普總統是美國國人依照民主程序選出來的總統好不好美國國內國民會自有評斷容不許我們在這裡戳山倒石 |
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院長我請教就我所知道賴總統跟卓院長幾乎都是緊盯著川普的所有的言行在盯著嘛一直在注意他們的言行甚至於包括連院長先回答是不是這樣嘛我們在美國大選前就已經展開了分析選後我們立刻組成了 |
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經貿外交工作小組也有台美的經貿的專案這都是在因應所有的相關的包括關稅政策等等那我們一步一步的這個之後我們又跟國內的產業界高科技業 特別的集體的中小企業以及其他的一些這個垂直鏈的工藝廠商我們都做了很多的談話 |
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經濟部也做我個人也做副院長也做國發院會會也做我們想做的就是讓產業界了解政府跟大家站在一起一定以耕留台灣讓台灣保持領先最優先我知道是包括像台積電辦的院長包括總統院長也都跟他們保持密切的溝通整個掌握他們的一些狀況是嗎 |
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所以現在開始刻意操作所謂的台積電變成美積電一直在操作這件事情這個背後的用意是什麼台積電在台灣立足台灣根基最強在台灣但是他已經不是台灣台積電他已經是世界的台積電他走向了全世界當他跟美國有這麼好的一個互動的時候其實也是台灣國力的一個延伸國力更加加強而且他的訂單已經滿到了後年所以我們認為這個時間點 |
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刻意去操作米積電他的用意何在院長台積電這個世界性的大公司會在台灣繼續還要連續設廠11個廠 |
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在高雄對 高雄就五個廠對各地在地區有11個廠那照他的年限會一直推動下去表示台灣還是他的生產主要的基地而且他的研發中心絕對以台灣為最重要為核心至於在外國的設廠都應該在這個前提底下不會破壞台灣領先的地位技術領先的地位也不會影響台灣 |
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生產鏈關鍵的地位就台灣一定會保持領先而且台灣的產業絕對不會外移空洞化讓國人發生任何的質疑保障跟留台灣是整個全球佈局裡面最核心思想之一 |
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所以我們看到了魏哲佳包括你看這個圖片來看來啦有什麼樣的機會的時候是魏哲佳在那邊講話川普站在旁邊包括我們魏哲佳在講話賴總統也站在旁邊這是看到就是台灣確實走向了國際而且台灣確實讓國際我們的產業讓國際感到驕傲也重視我們應該更正視這樣一個正向的力量怎麼會這個時候還配合著中共在操作所有的以美論來分化台灣跟美國關係來試圖來影響你台灣的施政來試圖 |
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影響你台灣的民心覺得你台灣已經空洞化了產業被人家拉走了怎麼還會有內應者不斷在操作這件事情我覺得這個非常的惡劣院長同意這樣的看法嗎我們任何的國家發展的策略長遠性的規劃是以國家利益為主體但是在過程當中跟我們的競爭對手尤其跟我們有比較敵意的國家也好 |
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不是要讓他暴怒了但他一旦暴怒之後我們更應該冷靜下來思考我們的方向是否正確而且重要的是要跟人民說明清楚政府這種走向是要整個國家往進步的方向走跟世界接軌所以我這一次的施政報告我就是用團結大台灣佈局全球全世界這樣的方向來訴求跟委員一家的支持 |
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院長 刪減總預算還有一個影響也是相當重大的但各方面都很重大那其中一項是刪減到的國防預算刪了84億 凍結了900億的部分這個也嚴重的影響到我們的國家安全也影響到了台美的關係 |
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就是說美國也認為說如果你連台灣面對中共這麼強力的威脅整天文攻武嚇你自己都不願意保衛你自己的國家不願意來加強你的國防支出的時候那為什麼美國其他的國家要來幫忙你呢這也是其他的不管是從蘇利文或者是金恩或者是這個柯博奇等等的每個都在挑戰台灣也就是說國民黨在刪減這個國防預算是在玩一個危險的遊戲 |
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院長同意這樣的看法嗎很遺憾我們確實在國內發生這一段包括潛艦包括國防部的經費在業務費會大量的凍結當台灣的周遭經常受到中共的間接侵擾的時候我們希望的是國防力量的增強對方看到的是我們沒有防衛自己的能力跟準備在兩鄉底下底下我們應該選擇是後前者讓我們 |
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力量增強如果我們的這個選擇沒有辦法達成讓我們的勇盟看到我們替我們擔心我覺得這個不是干涉我們的內政是關心到整個區域的和平穩定沒有辦法維持台灣能不能負起這樣的責任我們更應該向全世界清楚的表達一個訊息我們有決心有能力有準備來 |
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因應這樣的區域和平穩定的責任所以強化國防才是唯一我們向全世界負責任的態度我們的國防都是在保護我們自己安全我們不會去挑釁別人但是我們要保衛我們自己安全唯有我們有保衛我們自己的能力的時候敵人才不會輕易的做出錯誤的判斷來做出這個清洗戰端而盟友 民主盟友也才能夠知道你的決心而願意給予更多的支持而這些的決心跟支持都會保衛台灣的和平 |
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這都對台灣非常重要那我不懂這件事情其實在台灣內部應該是相當團結一致對外的特別這幾年我們經濟狀況也相當的不錯的時候支持國家的國防預算是一個基本的道理就竟然刪減了甚至於凍結凍結了900億之後你如果在下半年才解凍的話這些預算形同等於是完全無法應用 |
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更何況的是這些凍結或這些刪減在美國或在全世界看來的時候是顯然他懷疑你內部第一個你到底有沒有防衛你自我的一個決心第二個你內部是不是已經被滲透了你已經被分化了他們也在擔心這些問題院長或部長怎麼看 |
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我們審查時間到了 |
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好 謝謝 |
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那個部長你要不要用書面答覆好不好,因為剛才這段時間沒有錄音啦部長你用書面答覆給賴委員好謝謝賴委員,謝謝卓妍 |