IVOD_ID |
159009 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159009 |
日期 |
2025-03-11 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-2 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
3 |
會議資料.會次 |
2 |
會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-03-11T10:23:36+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-03-11T10:40:14+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:16:38 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a37056a99b6ff7282f8a0e3da918332231125bfab2e25e25b03c98c6f7b87c91450105506708a8dc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
林國成 |
委員發言時間 |
10:23:36 - 10:40:14 |
會議時間 |
2025-03-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議(事由:一、「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案(3月11日)。二、「財政收支劃分法」第八條、第十六條之一及第三十條條文覆議案(3月12日)。) |
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好 我們開始下一位委員的詢答好 主席 |
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時間還沒有開始以前我希望權益問題在場同仁聆聽個別委員的意見我不希望我們跟院長在對話過程當中有所干擾因為 |
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我認為這樣一不禮貌二對院長也不好意思所以我要拜託主席這一點給我們一個尊嚴好不好好謝謝林委員好請卓院長好我們請卓院長備詢林委員好謝謝院長我也知道因為你就任快一年 |
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過去我認識的卓院長到現在我坦白跟你講我內心話必須要跟你請述一下我真的過去的卓榮泰院長跟現在卓榮泰院長 |
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我有一點驚訝不太一樣但是感情一樣可是就事論事所以我的主題就很簡單今天你提出互議案當然是你的權利我們一定要去尊重但是我在這裡有一個最簡單的理由兩個 |
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編列預算是行政院的權利吧是是吧但是審查預算也是立法院的權利吧對 議決法案預算現在又恢復原來所認識的軸容態一向如此這個議題是沒有錯吧沒有錯那就謝謝院長了 |
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我說實在的我就感覺到很奇怪史上最高的預算你們還是自愛然行可是你又講審查預算又是立法委員之前例那我就不曉得你今天提出這些自愛然行的復議案我真的想不透我想來想去我也不要跟你談細節我們就談觀念的問題 |
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所以院長我說實在來接下來你可以看得出來這個請你公請你看一下從2027這次到2024都是民進黨蔡政府在執政可是節節上升的總預算 |
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但是我們看到2005年我們的總預算刪掉以後還有兩兆九千四百億也就是歷屆最高 |
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那當然你的理想你的報復或許要更多這個當然我們要尊重可是在我們立法院認為說該浪費的該不給的我們刪掉預算你剛才已經講立法委員刪掉預算是理所當然也是職責所在啊所以 |
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一定 我們說實在 既然要談問題 我也不想跟你吵架我也不想你回復的問題 都是拐彎抹角 賣!卓榮泰不是那種人 但是我們針對問題來探討未來如何在這個 整個總預算的部分 如何去把它化解 |
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因為這些總預算是你最高行政首長也是中華民國的行政院長這個你們要來執行有自愛難行當然程序可以走可是走完以後又怎麼樣呢還要再靠大法官的視線嗎這樣搞下去適合提同兩點簡單說明 |
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因為稅入的增加我們才有稅出這麼多而且今年我們還有209億的稅劑剩餘所以我們沒有把稅入全部用完再來我們今年原編3兆1325億 |
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因為其中有2,806億是去年沒有的新增計畫好 如果扣掉這個2,806億我們就是跟去年預算差不多在三減我們就沒去年參賞但是你們都沒有在聽這一段啦你剛才的報告我都聽了 |
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我都聽了你不需要再重複所以這句話最後就是為什麼是史上最高你到立法院來任何一句話我都會洗耳恭聽就是因為有這個才是史上最高那你有這個問題那我就感覺到很奇怪了我們現在來談大問題好 接下來下一張我就感覺到很奇怪了民進黨在執政的時候他們可以刪預算那你們現在就講民眾黨跟國民黨不能刪預算我沒有這樣講過 |
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合理的三強化 那沒有關係 你在這個部分你有你的看法但是立法院有立法院的立場啊 不是嗎三過頭的自然難行我必須表達出來什麼叫三過頭嘛 三過頭是你認知立法院的認知是完全不一樣喔 一定 |
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一定你的報告我看得出來啦不是 刪減數超過預算數這怎麼辦啦好 那沒有關係怎麼會沒有關係沒有 院長我們接下來你刪了一百塊 你刪了一百二十塊怎麼會沒有關係怎麼會 怎麼會是這樣這是你們的認知有時候底下給你的資料根本好 來接下來我們再來看這是事實啊 來剛剛交通部林部長也說了嘛 |
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我說實在話啦我說實在話 院長說實在的啦我最不滿意的就是行政院帶頭造謠這個部分我沒有造謠好 你沒有造謠好 那現在所有的造謠就是無中生有囉來 我簡單說幾句來 錦霄的部分劉部長在這裡這完全沒有刪嘛你們也說 我們刪一刪部長不要起來 不要起來 |
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另外 潛艦的部分 我想顧部長在委員會審查預算的時候講得很清楚這是凍結案 根本沒有刪那你剛才 業務費三足就是影響你聽我說完 讓鄉村長者 你在說我 不是在打斷啊 對不對 你讓我講完 |
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有就有 沒有就沒有那事實上來講還做一些 側翼做一些節能減電補助100億這完全造謠 根本沒有這回事嘛另外統一花票 你們現在領不到啦欸 拜託好不好 |
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這叫做法定預算從營業額提撥3%這根本也不可能嘛另外增加的部分另外 講快一點新安 新清安現在不補助啦這是根本也沒有這回事嘛一定 你要聽我說這裡你們沒有 你們就想沒有那是誰無中生有我們要把無中生有化為真正的原因今天的問題才可以解決的一定 你聽我 |
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對特定機關特定項目的統刪包括業務費那就影響這些業務的執行好 那個等一下我還會談好不好 等一下我會談所以啊 像出國會這個出國會刪的是官員部分跟選手有什麼關係鬧得灰灰洋洋 刪得十一億啦這些棒球選手等等這類的東西對立法院根本就是造謠抹黑嘛另外 |
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我說實在的 什麼數位部啦 iPhone不能上市啦等等這些 兒童的醫療 根本都是惡意嘛所以我說實在 還有很多啦 還有很多因為時間的關係 我特別要跟院長報告我就感覺到很奇怪 我們不是很尊敬美國嗎我們美國關係不是很好嗎所以在這個部分 你看看喔 |
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川普當然還是有人講他不好但是你看看一上台他就馬上3減20%到30%的這些預算是他們 |
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總統自己刪但是我就感覺到很奇怪我們預算給來歷年最高但是你們又說自愛難行美國可以 為什麼我們不可以來 一定 你說一下 |
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還是回到剛剛那句話所謂預算最高是因為有...我們對話才會有價值預算最高是因為有2,806億的新增預算這去年是沒有的如果扣掉這些的話預算沒有超過太多 跟去年是一樣的再經過一兩千億的刪減我們今年的預算就會比去年實質上低可是剛才 我跟你講 一定有 剛才我們說過 |
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胡坤祺總召他把所有各部會 增內的預算是有的喔但是你現在自愛然行就是新增預算的部分嘛因為各部會都有新增預算在裡面那我就感覺到很奇怪啦我就感覺到很奇怪啊為什麼在政黨協商的時候 |
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以我個人所了解 民意代表我也當了很久三億算是每一個民意代表的值錢我們是不可以給億算 但是可以三億算至於幅度多高 那這個就是要什麼透過政黨協商的當中 把理由 把困難講出來 |
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這問題就會解決啊但這次通山並沒有協商而是表決啊是嘛 那為什麼不協商嘛韓院長 講快一點我雖然不是黨裡面幹部那你們有沒有協商嘛朝野協商好了之後 行政院才參與之後怎麼會協商好我跟你講 一定 我不要跟你爭論你把那個協商紀錄 我拜託我們副院長 |
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拿出這些協商結論或者協商的經過讓你去看一看所以你不要只有道聽途說要去親眼目睹一定你是中華民國的行政一定最高潛力機構所有預算所有部會的預算是由你來由你來做溝通跟說明一定這就我給你謝謝委員的建議那委員是不是同意復議之後我們重新協商 |
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我個人當然是贊成啊所以我後面就很簡單但是這些東西是我個人的看法我認為我還要給你一個良心的建議阿扁總統講的話你也認識嘛 |
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不一定全部聽他的 可是他講的話有時候是有價值感的所以我要建議包容不同意見 不要對抗 不要對立這個我想你同意吧 同意還有天下之大不能獨佔 應由分享焉焉香罷 也就是罷免 何時了 |
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我跟你講他講的很有理由有些言論我還是不太贊同他可是這一次他講這些話我認為是當今行政院跟立法院應該如何去化解非常好的建言所以我良心建議卓院長你應該要參考跟賴總統報告 |
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因為我擔心的就是賴總統以前在台南市長的時候我最擔心的就是因為他也跟議會處不好所以這個部分 左院長你要用一點心你是要為台灣人民來做事 |
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不是只有服務一個賴總統那賴總統有時候給他下錢不能上打或許老百姓的心聲有些是真的沒有辦法下錢上打產生這種誤解都還來得及啊你們執政只有一年啊雖然你們民進黨已經執政八年快要九年的但是亡羊補牢還是有機會啊所以要改變策略啦 |
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但我是非常理性的人我就覺得我們為什麼一定要去某個在野黨為什麼不好好坐下來談這些是非常重要不是每一樣東西雖然法定有授權你自愛然行或者那個釋憲的這種種之權利但是說實在啦富裕富到最後還是一個結論嘛要解決問題不是嗎所以一定 |
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今天當然我給你講話時間比較少但是我是以重心長在這裡我還是要建議院長協商才能前進對抗注定要致死俄國所以我要特別給院長一個建議溝通協商追加預算 |
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了解 凍結 這等等都是啊你們現在就很簡單 欸凍結就是三億算不對啦 不對啦凍結當然你如果說在大會 那凍結很多啊有委員會就可以解凍的啊大會解凍 這兩者之中雖然大會解凍有所困難但是有很多事情是要靠溝通的欸 |
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是要靠溝通 所以我要坦白跟院長講其實我每次在看政黨協商過去解凍最後一筆 從98年到113年超過九成都是在11月跟12月那你就沒有政黨協商 我跟你講 |
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委員會你去看看所有部長在這裡委員會在審查預算根本是理性有時候部長談出他的苦衷在哪邊最後放的機會都很大以我個人來講 |
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我們交通委員會部長在這裡我們有刪到什麼預算 沒有啊他自愛然行有困難他講出來15個委員大家都贊成不分黨派啊我管你什麼民進黨管你什麼國民黨大家都 |
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認為部長講的自愛燃省真正需要的是在這裡那我就感覺到很奇怪所有的問題為什麼沒有辦法解決會製造混亂因為我們也不知道最後會有一個通案刪減全部指向特定機關這個也要怪怪主計長啦過去歷屆來講本來就是如何調整如何調整貴黨提出的那個通案刪減裡面的項目特定機關特定項目那個是可以調的 |
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人家大會都講得很清楚你們主計處又不跟立法院所以有... |
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好 謝謝林委員 |