| IVOD_ID |
159006 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159006 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-11T09:37:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-11T10:23:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:46:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a37056a99b6ff72832adeaef047193ba31125bfab2e25e25b03c98c6f7b87c918fc1c8a01bc256bc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:03 - 10:23:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議（事由：一、「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案（3月11日）。二、「財政收支劃分法」第八條、第十六條之一及第三十條條文覆議案（3月12日）。） |
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主席請這個主席長 |
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請主席長請主席長說明那個主席待會請那個國防部、外交部跟內政部請準備好 |
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國防部外交部還有內政部部長請準備主席長剛剛聽到卓榮泰院長正式來跟本院報告我們一直以為通過的預算是兩兆九千接近三百億 |
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照今天你給卓榮泰院長向本院提出的報告實際刪除數本院對外公布是2075億包含因為貪贓枉法養綠電養蟑螂養派系的台電補貼1000億實際各部會刪除的預算是1075億所以 |
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今天卓榮泰院長的報告說實際刪除數不是2075億而是1439億對不對請直接回答本席因為只有錄音不用點頭的方式可以嗎可以所以實際刪除數是1439億114年度的年度預算是刪除1439億是嗎 |
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是 因為這個部分他要求我們自行要刪減636億但是問題他沒有指定項目這個在針對那個我們一個行政和立法的一個權力的分裂的一個原則上那個主席長你知不知道過去八年民進黨執政每一年都會要求在野黨統三多少趴大家來商量過去不是都是統三嗎 |
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但是以前三的金額很少是不是你只要告訴本席是不是還不是就好是不是以前的統三大概差百分之你有承認就好沒有關係以前執政黨民進黨要求在野黨就協商總預算統三幾趴這是立法院的慣例也是常例 |
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那現在通過的預算等於今天卓榮泰院長再次昭告全國國人實際通過的預算是兩兆九千九百八十六億就是真正的三兆的預算總刪除數是4.5個百分點所以三兆的預算來給新政府他說沒有辦法執政 |
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我們真的很好奇沒有能力執政就下台一鞠躬嘛民進黨還是有很多人才能夠執政的謝謝主席長來我們接下來請三位部長請國防外交和內政部長請備詢請國防部長站中間部長請站中間 謝謝 |
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國發會 園民會 客委會請準備來 我們來請教內政部請教這個國防部部長國防部 顧部長請教一下一百一四年的核列數四千七百一十億去年的核列數四千三百四十億 |
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我們增加了多少億四百多億所以今年度的預算比去年度國防預算多了四百多億部長 請看這尾聲不要緊張所以多了將近九個百分點年度預算多了九個百分點比去年多了九個百分點有沒有自然難以行 |
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跟委員報告,譬如說現在有一個通山的,您剛剛一直提到通山的一個比例的問題但他這一次加入了一個不得留用 |
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那我就舉一個例子我們國外衛生跟出國教育訓練會因此被刪掉了2.4以後不得留用那我簡單講就是說我們新式武器都要到美國去換裝所需要的戒章訓練還有我們要到參加國外的學訓因此這樣子的一個 |
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不得流用的結果我們勢必要減少我們訓練的射擊的發數還有相關的人數規模這個會影響 嚴重的影響我們這一個進行實戰化訓練人力建構這一個不得流用這一個部分是相當嚴重的謝謝你了 請尊重本會好不好以及請你適可而止所以國防部比去年的預算多了9個百分點 |
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現在你說部分不能留用的部分你覺得治安難行的金額是多少以國外旅費的部分的話就有2.4億國內交通跟差旅費3.2億這個也不得留用那麼政策這個宣導經費的預算這個部分是依據全民國行教育法第九條這是我們的法定義務 |
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因為他本身就規定所以是多少錢本席在請求你多少錢不需要告訴本席相關的法調本席現在持續你的部分請不要佔用本席的責任本席問你是多少經費就請告訴本席請剩下的部會介紹的部會不要用這種方式回答本席的問題您是說現在立法院就三檢的宿舍三檢的宿舍大概八十幾億吧你自然男性的部分有八十幾億 |
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我治安難行的部分你剛剛說兩億、三億,然後還有多少?治安難行的部分我治安難行的部分呢,譬如說國外旅費是2.4億國內的交通跟差旅的部分是3-2.1億政策宣導的相減了60%設備級之後是3-6%,大概是2.9億等等這些都會造成一些接近20億 |
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所以本席在這裡很清楚顧部長多了400億自愛男情的部分將近20億立法院通過國防部的預算遠超過你自愛男情的數字你說不能留用沒有關係你可以向本院來申請不管是追加減也好都可以申請了解了嗎 |
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我想委員這樣的講法希望國民黨團一致的意見就這一個部分我們還有一個彌補的方法那既然沒有關係你覺得有什麼認為是可以彌補的方法你就提出來各部長本席問什麼你回答什麼本席沒有問的請你不要回答接下來 |
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本席已經很善意告訴你多了你四百億你所有一二十億自然燃性本席已經告訴你有什麼你認為自然燃性可以向本院提出來接下來林佳龍部長委員好去年的預算增加多少錢我們原本是319億增加多少錢那麼 |
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3之後我們現在是3減13.95億那增加大概是7億好 有沒有自然難行有大概多少金額因為我們現在外交的工作我想委員也了解世界各國都想跟台灣來關係請告訴本席多少金額 |
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我們希望能夠恢復包括像國際宣傳費還有我們現在在包括跟國際宣傳費多少金額1.11億如果你覺得自然難行多了你7億今年多給7億你說你少了1億多自然難行你可以向本院提出來謝謝委員內政部 劉部長 |
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今年比去年預算多多少錢我們多的不是太多大約如果跟那個部本部來講我們目前為止的被刪跟動的部分大概是十幾億左右但是比較重要增加多少金額本席問的問題為什麼很奇怪這些部長你不知道你貴院的預算嗎本席請教你今年比去年多多少錢不會太多 |
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不會太多你內政部主管沒有多很多本席在問的是你內政部主管本席問的問題請你回答本席的問題內政部主管今年比去年多多少金額本席還要告訴你嗎不知道那你怎麼做部長不知道本席告訴你沒有關係今年比去年多了400億 |
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660.174 |
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685.655 |
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成長幅度將近40%內政部主管將近所有其他的相關的署等等內政部主管所以內政部主管今年預算增加了多少錢如果你把住宅基金放進去的話是增加將近400億左右但是其他幾乎都維持沒有變動現在本席告訴你國土署多了200將近280億消防署 |
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710.942 |
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多了百分之一百的預算將近一倍所以如果你還覺得多了四百億給你還有這門請向本院提出來三位部長請回再過來請這個我們希望我們希望會員可以通過這個復議案請國防會請國防會 原民會 科委會原民會 科委會主管請備詢 |
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721.772 |
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747.346 |
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請教育部、法務部、經濟部請準備國安會、客委會算你們六位部長起來好了不然你們這個行動的時間有點行動不良時間是不是先暫停如果他們這樣走路都要兩分鐘以上來我們請打握時間請 |
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777.076 |
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來現在是國發會、客委會跟園民會嘛那我們再請這個經濟部請經濟部部長法務部教育部法務部部長教育部部長請備詢交通部交通部部長嗎來來國發會今天預算比去年多多少錢我多了6.8億不止吧 |
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我從40.3%增加到47.25%不是這個金額所以沒關係啦 主委今天比去年多了11億給你 多了45%怎麼連部會首長來這裡提復議預算是多少都不曉得那我們再檢討什麼復議案啊好 再過來 |
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810.734 |
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如果有自然擔心向本院提出來可以嗎可以啊好 謝謝接下來原民會這個今年比去年預算多多少錢應該是差不多增加13億不過它主要是增加在計劃補償那如果去年比去年預算多13億原民會如果自然擔心的話可以跟本院提出來可以嗎是好 謝謝客委會對 我也比去年多19億 |
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863.37 |
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客委會不是退伏來 客委會今年預算比去年增加大概兩億多而已四億三減過後是四億四億以上不是四億以下所以今年預算比去年多如果有自然難行的話可以向本院提出來 可以嗎好 謝謝再來經濟部 |
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872.165 |
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896.295 |
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今天預算比去年預算多多少錢不曉得 部長請回來這裡都不曉得自己的預算來 法務部部長 今年預算比去年多多少錢增加12.31 |
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增加19億多沒有關係你們因為這是中華民國第一次主計長不給立法院實際統三可以三的金額都不給我們沒有關係各部位是無薩薩很正常這個是法定預算是不是但是呢好你沒關係你就加起來嘛多了19億多然後呢有沒有自然來行 |
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947.239 |
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這部分最主要是統三這部分那另外 統三的部分如果不會的話 回去問一下這個主計長如果主計長不適任就把他撤換我現在是告訴卓榮泰院長那另外有些指定三級沒有關係 部長如果如果沒有辦法如果沒有辦法 有自在難心的部分請向本院提出來好不好 謝謝來 教育部今天比去年 |
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952.728 |
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969.137 |
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今年預算比去年多多少錢就我們的政策上的一個推動需要增加278億你送出來就沒有多這麼多嗎你送出來就沒有多這麼多嗎教育部多280億沒有錯啦我們這個表出280億對的我們多了超過280億給你增加的幅度是8%對許多這個優質的平價誘託所有的年輕家庭的一個照顧 |
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982.455 |
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1003.59 |
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他就多了四十幾億四十九億沒有關係因為今年立法院給教育部的預算多了將近三百億所以呢如果你還覺得還不夠的話可以向本院提出追加可以嗎有自然難心的部也可以向本院提出來好不好 謝謝來 交通部 |
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1014.008 |
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交通部 今年比去年預算多多少錢跟委員報告因為今年很多的交通建設進入高峰期所以今年的預算增加了389億389億 謝謝我們的數字大概都有些差異就是因為主計總署不給我們資料不給我們資料這是中華民國行縣以來立法院第一次行政院的主計長不給我們資料 |
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1042.258 |
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所以交通部本席再給你介紹一下我們這個觀光署多了30億這個公路總局多了173億鐵道局多了146億所以呢我們希望交通部今年好好該做的建設要做不要說沒有錢你要的錢我們都有給你 |
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1069.161 |
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1096.757 |
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委員您的那個數字可能沒有扣掉刪除跟凍結的沒有關係因為主計現在主計長還不給我們所有的資料所以本院今天是不能說雞同鴨講但是我們現在瞎子摸象就是今年比預算今年比去年預算多很多錢如果自然難行的話可以向本院提出來好不好 謝謝接下來農業部衛福部文化部環境部 |
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1097.472 |
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1121.719 |
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我們是不是先請這些部長請回然後接下來請農業部、衛福部文化部農業部今年預算比去年多多少錢 |
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1123.652 |
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我們今年1,692億比去年增加了83.24%吧大概83.24%如果自然來襲的話請向本院提出接下來衛福部今年預算比去年多多少錢我們因為人民的健康的需求增加我們多變了317億那省完以後多了306億也就是說刪除了11億 |
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1149.813 |
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1178.415 |
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所以有自然難行的話向本院提出來文化部比去年少很多我們編了290億被31億動34億我要解釋動的那個理由我們無法解決所以他還是跟3億一樣那個部長本席在問的問題請你回答本席沒有問凍結請問刪除我們多多少億我沒有多變少啊 |
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文化部多了這麼多錢你要跟去年比啊跟去年比對啊我變少啊文化部怎麼會比去年少你講的話本席要特別把你留下來跟你請教喔今年的核列數比去年多了26億多你怎麼可以在這裡公然說謊呢文化部 |
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比去年多了26億如果你看不懂加減乘除本席再開一個課來教你好不好如果自然難行就向本院提出請回來 接下來環境部那個文化部本席會特別關心你因為你在這裡公然說謊本席會特別去請教 還去委員會找你明天本席還會再問你你再回去查清楚 本席明天還會再問你再過來那個環境部 |
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1236.889 |
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包委我們反而是比去年減少兩億左右沒有關係你講的是事實那如果有自然來襲的話向本院提出可以嗎好是沒問題謝謝接下來請金管會國科會還有海委會金管會主委國科會主委還有海委會主委 |
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1268.331 |
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委員好我們監管會今年比去年預算多多少錢我們估計三減以後今年比去年多6500萬左右我們是算1億啦沒有關係那有沒有如果有自然難心的話可以向本院提出 |
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1310.676 |
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還有委會你們多少錢因為付款的高峰委員每一年付款額度不一樣今年是付款的高峰所以一定得增加而且還有新增的事項不能不做新增了43億我們在委員會跨黨派的委員都支持所以被刪掉的話我們的影響還很大至愛難行今天故意就是提出來至愛難行 |
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1311.556 |
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1321.46 |
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委員真的 知愛難行我們希望能夠恢復我回答了希望能恢復都付款的高峰喔哪一個不會不用付款請回好 謝謝在這裡亂講 滿口胡說八道不要用明帶的方式在這裡 |
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1341.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1353.965 |
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來 再來不要影響本席的時間來 再過來來 國科會今天比去年多多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1356.994 |
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1376.298 |
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連三個園區多了差不多一百三十而已國科會比去年多一百三十如果有需要的話要追加還是這個有自在難心的話可以隨時向本院提出可以嗎可以謝謝主委所以來我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢那個 |
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1385.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1413.073 |
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請主席管制下會場的次序本席在這裡質詢請執政黨不要用這種惡劣的方式在下面攻擊我們請大家相互尊重今天很溫馨只要不要狡辯的本席都會很誠懇的來了解行政院到底有什麼問題現在我們今有早上 |
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1414.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1440.956 |
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卓榮泰院長所提出來今年我們實際刪除的數字不是兩千零七十五億而是只有一千四百三十九億所以通過是兩兆九千九百八十六億接近三兆接近三兆可以說就是三兆啦如果有什麼自然來型的話本席剛剛已經請教各部會都可以向本院提出來都先可以向本院提出來那接下來 |
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我想我們總預算的部分已經講得很清楚了但是呢 本需要在這裡向你嚴正抗議我能不能先請問 你用的主計長竟然在過去所有朝野協商每一年執政黨 民進黨都要求我們統申一個數字多少趴過去就是常年的慣例那今年的統申 然後這個主計長說他排不出來 |
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1470.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1494.029 |
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還不算保持在能力不足溝通協調都不足他可以來行政院溝通可以來立法院各個部來溝通各委會都會溝通從1月21號通過總預算到現在都沒有來所以呢如果不適任的話就應該要換人而且呢去年的GDP的成長才4.59% |
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1522.191 |
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但是今天我們剛剛一個部會一個部會的詢問幾乎啊大多的部分都超過10%的年度編列的預算所以啊我們不願意講國王的心意啊但是都已經戳破了現在本席就總預算的部分給左院長一個良心的建議不適任的部會首長要換掉 |
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1523.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1545.832 |
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準備來這裡吵架的部會所長不是要來解決問題的時候把他撤換掉過去當過民意代表現在不是民意代表不要民意代表的鬥性在這裡回答問題本期問的問題很簡單但是不要用這種方式來回答如果這樣來回答的話以後啊內閣會不會很好待啦我們再來 |
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1547.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
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委員我能不能答覆兩個問題就好了本席沒有問你的問題所以不用回答本席現在請教可以對話現在本席問你的問題接下來問題可以回答總預算的問題讓我答覆一下吧你剛剛已經在這裡報告過了本席也一個一個不回詢問過了好來現在請教院長明天還有45分鐘回答問題明天是財務法啊沒有關係都一樣啦選前騙票選後跳票 |
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1577.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1593.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
賴清德總統 蕭美琴副總統一再的說要給花東人 包括蔡英文總統說要給花東人一條安全回家的路花東快曾經蕭美琴副總統在2020年跟本席競選立委的時候馬上通過了說要盡快來對這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1624.086 |
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這個花東快要再一次做環評結果現在再一次做可行研究結果現在當選了就不算數了為什麼現在花東快又退回請回答委員應該知道我們對於蘇花 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1627.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1649.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
本席不知道才請問我怎麼會了解花了多少的心血在做蘇花安蘇花改這兩項工程蘇花安本席待會再問你請回答本席的問題為什麼我們首先要改善的從北部到花蓮這一段讓大家有一條安全回家的路所以這兩條路我們花了也將近3000億元那這個工程的持續進行 |
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1652.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1680.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
委員所關心的是花蓮到台東那花蓮到台東這一段我們會將來在審慎合理的時間合理的經費合理的施工方式以及地方之所需要那現在這個程序已經在交通部裡面反反覆覆的一再的來做任何的審議是不是請部長能夠說明本席現在報告委員本席沒有要你回答請不要讓不要請維持會場該有的資訊本席沒有請教你回答請不要回答 |
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1682.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1702.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
左院長 部長請回本席請教院長一個父母關要有父母親整個台灣西部密密麻麻的這種交通網絡東部是蔡英文總統 |
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1704.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1730.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
賴清德總統對人民的承諾選前一張臉 選後一張臉選前的承諾 選後就翻桌你剛剛告訴本席說還要看情況 逐步來做那你當時就應該來花蓮要選票的時候就講清楚以後還要慢慢考量立法院都做了決議 |
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1732.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1761.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
去年7月16號就通過花東塊要積極興建而且12年內要完成民進黨 科建平總召 吳士堯書記長通通都有簽字 幹事長都有簽字所以啊 為什麼給你們這麼多的總預算但是都不能用父母心啊來看整個國家的建設 |
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1762.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1780.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
所以呢 民進黨欺負花東人民 欺負很久了絕對沒有您剛剛說啊 什麼三千多億啊本席啊 什麼叫做蘇花改 蘇花恩三千多億蘇花恩通過了沒有 本席問你通過了沒有 |
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1780.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1809.879 |
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那這個通過了沒有回答本席的問題嘛不要狡辯嘛通過了沒有嘛時程都已經去確定了通過了沒有嘛時程確定以後他就會依照程序來通過時程通過了程序通過以後好本席上一次總諮詢你你告訴本席這個資料是錯誤的我們公文全部調出來完全正確的上一頁本席上一頁 |
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1811.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1823.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
本席再問你一次你可以再騙一次沒有關係蘇華改行政院 可行研究行政院99年2月8號核定101月9號動工11個月蘇華安108年12月20號核定現在5年了 |
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1834.898 |
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1858.547 |
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也不在交通部也不在國發會他們都審查通過了現在躺在您的桌上行政院長本人審議中五年了我不曉得行政院長左院長你有這個專業你可以審議啊是不是你有這個專業我還沒用不到一年的時間放在您桌上放了從出國發會到你這邊 |
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1861.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1887.567 |
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去年底就出國發會現在你還在審議當中你看一下這就是民進黨的效率108年12月20號核定到現在五年了五年了國民黨執政十一個月動工動工你現在還在審議如果歷任的院長都這麼慎重也必須慎重再下一頁把公文 |
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1889.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1913.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
你如果沒有看過行政院的公文 本席可以發給你沒有關係那你會不會汗顏 五年了東部人還說什麼三千多億 三千多億在哪裡你三千多億列出來給本席看 在哪裡不要聽人家立法院說謊 可恥的事情報告副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1915.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1926.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
就是公文都在這裡指責閣員說謊副院長應該制止一下好我們相互徵詐好我們繼續打起相互徵詐意義好不好那是一回事不是說謊的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1927.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1953.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
我會願意跟委員對話那委員不是敲桌今天不是第一次來詢問你總預算已經詢問過了今天你上一次你告訴本席我們都可以調錄調光碟出來看上次我本席的公文是錯誤的本席今天讓你看公文上次委員講的不只這一件就是這一件很多邏輯都不對調光碟就知道要不然我明天再放給你看你上次本席的資料錯誤所以啊 |
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1956.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1981.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
一個宰相一個閣奎有沒有一個父母關的心情你現在正式告訴花東人民花東快又被退了蘇華安不知下落花東快被退了而且花東快還是立法院三黨全部簽字的院會宣讀通過本席在這裡請教 |
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1983.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2012.095 |
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沒關你明天還可以回答我去年美式大花蓮那個談話都很愉快你都沒有說我們沒有很愉快的心情談話愉不愉快我在這裡也可以跟你很快樂也可以擁抱你都沒有問題只要你答應的事情花東人的建設你好好一樣樣去做過去院長審慎我必為你審慎讓整個國家的發展是均衡的必須東西平衡發展 |
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2015.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2038.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
你的三千多億你今天花又留在這裡請你今天下班前把什麼三千多億交給本席你在這裡正式的詢問我們這個預計會花三千多億請你把這個資料送到立法院來送到本席辦公室明天本席還會請教你接下來來我們來看一下台積電加碼一千億 |
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2042.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2070.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
連之前的六百五十億總共一千六百五十億前後要蓋五座新的晶圓廠兩座的先進的封裝廠可以研發中心都設在美國三座晶圓廠連之前的六百五十億美金總共一千六百五十億美金五兆多台幣院長你於心何忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2071.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2080.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
把我們的護國神山搬到國外去了我們的戲盾從此破裂請問院長你同意這樣做嗎委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2086.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2109.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
國內的產業是政府指向哪裡他就要到哪裡嗎還是政府說他不能到哪裡他就不能到哪裡他當然要進入我們的投審會進到投審會我們就會逐一審慎的來審議但是產業的全球佈局政府採取樂觀的態度但是要跟流台灣要以台灣領先為優先院長您剛剛提到投審會投審會過了沒有還沒過啊還沒過 |
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2112.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2115.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
那都已經跟美國總統已經正式 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2117.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2144.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
正式已經開過記者會了難道你認為說這個投資是假的嗎那他要經過我們投審會的審議符合我們的各種規定所以在跟川普總統台積電跟川普總統在宣布之前您知不知道台積電跟川普總統的談話他是國際布局的一部分但是國內當然知道啊您同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2145.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2166.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
我同不同意我們樂觀產業界的國際部署我們樂觀產業界的國際部署我沒有資格說我同不同意不同意國家的政策我們的護國神聲還有你你樂觀你沒有同不同意的權利你是什麼來我們給他看一下你連相關的法令都搞不清楚 |
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2168.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2181.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
國外投資有以下情況者主管機關得不予核准影響國家安全對國家經濟有不利的發展他如果不經過統審會他不符合我們的規定我們當然有權利啊現在覺得你同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2184.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2208.227 |
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台積能美國投資你同不同意五兆台幣你同不同意我不是投審會其中的議員我能在這裡講我同不同意嗎但是一定要符合國家的法令符合投審會的規定店長 你要概括負責國內所有的政治經濟耶你要概括負責耶是嗎 那剛剛上一題我不同意這是我們的護國神山耶剛剛那個蘇阿快蘇阿快我不同意蘇阿快我不同意你贊成嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2212.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2232.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
可以啊 你可以說你不同意啊你可以告訴我們 告訴全國國人你說你不同意沒有關係 我不會像你這麼草率你可以公開講嘛 不要遮遮掩掩嘛過去的院長慎重 我就必須慎重院長 你把你心裡話講出來是嗎不是 我是請問你說所有東西都要我同意是這樣子嗎你就公開誠實告訴大家嘛依台灣所處的情況這會影響到我們多麼嚴重我們的護國深山 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2242.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2258.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
這是國民黨在台灣40年的血汗推動出來的台積電那你要我們鎖國嗎 完全都不能帶他出去嗎北京沒有說要鎖國啊我們最高科技的製程2奈米 1.6奈米都要去美國都要去美國我們沒有國家安全嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2271.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2286.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
沒有國家安全嗎?沒有科技製程的安全嗎?二種國際的佈局要保持台灣領先的地位關鍵技術一定是以台灣領先和研發中心要以台灣為核心我們要佔據這個關鍵生產鏈的地位這個關鍵地位 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2291.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2316.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
2奈米1.6奈米關鍵全世界最先進的技術都搬到國外去了那是幾年以後的事情有人知道嗎就算社產就算社產是幾年以後還是幾年以後的事情你認為幾年以後你不當行政院長是不是啊不是幾年以後才會幾年以後他才會量產在美國國家的規模Virgin是看整個幾十年啊什麼幾年以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2318.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2328.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
什麼內閣啊所以院長我原本的意思是不能出去當然不可以出去啊全國國人同意沒有你這樣講話是代表中國政府嗎你這樣講話是代表中國政府嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2334.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2344.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
我代表我們中華民國國會中央機構北京正式的告訴你北京是中央機構我代表中央政府我歡迎我們國內的廠商對全球的佈局 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2350.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2379.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
所以是同一台機電護國神山到國外去是不是要嚴守國內的要求請問一下這對我們上下游整個產業的出走空洞化有多大的影響你知道嗎我們希望它的隨時供應鏈能夠整體的發展國家整體的發展隨時供應鏈也要國家整體的發展好本席先來教育你一下什麼叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2380.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2409.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
國家政體的發展他們帶走的是五兆台幣還不夠他上下游一年GDP的產值是多少錢這個台灣是重創人才的出手本席現在告訴你那是以前大家台積電在台灣累積的成果不是你造成的但是今天出手是你們民進黨政府造成的本席現在告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2412.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2432.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
我們佔全世界高階晶片生產的百分之九十以上只要台灣有安全危機這會影響到全世界的科技發展當然是台灣的保護 台灣的護國神山所以台灣人民說他是護國神山沒有聽過護國神山嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2437.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2465.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
護國神山你不曉得嗎我們需要護國群山本席在這裡我們要建立護國群山本席再次的告訴你本席再次告訴你我們護國神山遷走了以後整個產業在地繳稅在地所有薪資發放的消費在地所有這些人才的流失 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2469.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2495.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
整個產業大幅出走台灣空洞化消費空洞化繳稅空洞化對整個產業的撞擊不是三月良宇能夠講得清楚本席在這裡再一次的告訴你那個部長您告訴公開告訴媒體說台積電去美國你不知道 |
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2497.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2518.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
報告委員我是說他沒有送我們的投審會有沒有送投審會這件事情我不知道因為他沒有送所以我怎麼可能知道因為沒有送投審會所以經濟部長不知道不知道有送沒有送投審會 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2521.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2538.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
所以因為沒有送投審會所以你不知道那所以說要送投審會你才知道所以這件事情包括賴清德總統總太院長在整個台積電網美的過程當中你通通都不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2539.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2557.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我們當然知道啊怎麼可能不知道啊現在你又知道了不是啊你要看看前一天已經開了記者會大家都知道的事情怎麼可能第二天怎麼會不知道如果您是在這裡啊主管一國的經濟啊但卻是人頭的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2561.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2585.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
不知不覺還是後知後覺本席覺得你不如掛罐歸去把你的長才在我們商業界好好發展會得到更多的尊重不會像這個國家總統行政院長在做我們護國神山要崩山的事情都沒有先讓經濟部長了解所以本席在這裡深刻表達遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2587.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2616.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
部長沒有受到尊重真的沒有必要委員不必遺憾我們共同努力事情就會往好的方向一起努力就會往好的方向對於本席的說法你有什麼回應沒有我想這個委員的這個想法我們尊重啦但是這個這件事情我想你是充分的這個誤解你也不了解這個狀況你就下這樣的斷語我覺得非常遺憾這是你告訴全國國人的不是跟本席講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2617.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2639.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
來那個 卓院長護國神山的崩山又是民進黨政府在您的隔魁任內啊造成全國這麼大的一個撞擊我們的護國神山中華民國在台灣累積了75年的實力的護國神山今天終於啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2640.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2668.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
讓全國國人了解我們的卓榮泰卓院長說樂觀其成樂觀產業發展所以護國神山的出走我們看一看什麼叫經貿大戰什麼叫科技大戰當科技被掏空的時候台灣還剩下不是你說的奔山我樂觀其成請你不要用這個短影片在外面污衊中央政府所以你說怎麼樣你沒有樂觀其成是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2668.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2684.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
我樂觀其成樂觀其成是他的全球佈局不是委員說的護國人山奔喪我樂觀其成委員不要用這個短片去外面污衊我們謝謝你謝謝卓院長你又樂觀其成了所以本席現在終於了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2685.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2705.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
我們國家的葛奎對於護國神山整個徹底把台灣出賣崩山連條件都沒有講就直接拱手把台灣75年來的努力全部送給大家送到國外去本席在這邊特別提醒總統派院長 |
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2706.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2715.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
就不用提醒 我們對國家的實力感不會比你差他一再的污衊啊 你們兩位在旁邊都無動於衷啊我最後還要謝謝兩位委員兩位委員在旁邊無動於衷 他一再的污衊嘛 |
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2728.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2732.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
主席啊 他不斷地打斷我們本席的話本席在這裡就今天本席是和音樂社來詢問這個卓院長 |
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2746.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2746.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
好 我們時間到 |
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傅委員崐萁：（9時37分）主席，請主計長。 |
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主席：請主計長說明。 |
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傅委員崐萁：主席，待會國防部、外交部跟內政部請準備。 |
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主席：國防部、外交部還有內政部部長請準備。 |
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陳主計長淑姿：是，委員好。 |
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傅委員崐萁：剛剛聽到卓榮泰院長正式向本院報告，我們一直以為通過的預算是接近2兆9,300億，但從今天你給卓榮泰院長向本院提出的報告來看，本院對外公布的實際刪除數是2,075億，包含因為貪贓枉法、養綠電、養蟑螂、養派系的台電補貼1,000億在內，所以各部會實際刪除的預算是1,075億。但今天卓榮泰院長在報告中說，實際刪除數不是2,075億，而是1,439億，對不對？請直接回答本席，因為這裡有錄音，不要用點頭的方式，可以嗎？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：可以。 |
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傅委員崐萁：所以實際刪除數是1,439億！114年度的年度預算是刪除1,439億，是嗎？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：是。因為他要求我們這部分要自行刪減636億，但問題是並沒有指定項目，在行政和立法權力分立的原則上就是違反…… |
| gazette.blocks[10][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你知不知道過去八年民進黨執政，每一年都會要求在野黨統刪多少%，大家來商量。過去不是都統刪嗎？ |
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陳主計長淑姿：但是以前刪的金額很少。 |
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傅委員崐萁：是不是？你只要告訴本席是或不是就好，是不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[13][0] |
陳主計長淑姿：以前的統刪大概在1%到3%左右。 |
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傅委員崐萁：你有承認就好，沒有關係。以前執政黨──民進黨要求在野黨協商總預算統刪幾%，這是立法院的慣例，也是常例。現在通過了預算，等於今天卓榮泰院長再次昭告全國國人，實際通過的預算是2兆9,986億，就是整整3兆的預算，總刪除數是4.5個百分點，所以3兆的預算給新政府，但他說沒有辦法執政，我們真的很好奇，沒有能力執政就下臺一鞠躬嘛，民進黨還是有很多人才能夠執政的。謝謝主計長。 |
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接下來請三位部長。 |
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主席：請國防、外交及內政部長備詢。 |
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傅委員崐萁：請國防部長站中間，部長請站中間，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[16][1] |
國發會、原民會、客委會請準備。 |
| gazette.blocks[16][2] |
我們先來請教國防部顧部長，部長，請教一下，114年的核列數4,710億，去年的核列數4,340億，我們增加了多少億？ |
| gazette.blocks[17][0] |
顧部長立雄：四百多億吧！ |
| gazette.blocks[18][0] |
傅委員崐萁：四百多億，所以今年度的國防預算比去年度的國防預算多了四百多億。部長，請看著本席，不要緊張。所以多了將近9個百分點，年度預算比去年多了9個百分點，有沒有窒礙難行？ |
| gazette.blocks[19][0] |
顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，譬如說現在有一個通刪的部分，您剛剛一直提到通刪的比例問題，但這一次加入了「不得流用」的限制，我就舉一個例子，我們國外旅費…… |
| gazette.blocks[20][0] |
傅委員崐萁：部長…… |
| gazette.blocks[21][0] |
顧部長立雄：跟出國教育訓練費因此被刪掉了2.4億以後，又不得流用，那我簡單講就是說，我們新式武器都要到美國去換裝，所需要的接裝訓練，還有我們要參加國外的協訓…… |
| gazette.blocks[22][0] |
傅委員崐萁：部長，請回答本席的問題簡單一點，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[23][0] |
顧部長立雄：因此，這樣一個「不得流用」的結果，我們勢必要減少我們訓練的射擊發數，還有相關的人數規模，這個會嚴重影響我們進行實戰化訓練的人力建構…… |
| gazette.blocks[24][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，謝謝部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[25][0] |
顧部長立雄：這個「不得流用」是相當嚴重的。 |
| gazette.blocks[26][0] |
傅委員崐萁：部長，本席已經謝謝你了，請尊重本會，好不好？已經請你適可而止了。所以國防部的預算相比去年多了9個百分點，現在你說對於不能流用的部分，你覺得窒礙難行，請問窒礙難行的金額是多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[27][0] |
顧部長立雄：以國外旅費的部分來說，就有2.4億，國內交通跟差旅費刪減2.1億，這個也不得流用。有關政策宣導經費的預算，這個部分是依據全民國防教育法第九條，這是我們的法定義務，因為它本身就規定是我們…… |
| gazette.blocks[28][0] |
傅委員崐萁：所以是多少錢？本席是在請教你多少錢，不需要告訴本席相關的法條，本席現在質詢你的部分，請不要占用本席的時間，本席問你是多少經費，就請告訴本席，請接下來上台備詢的部會也不要用這種方式回答本席的問題，本席很客氣的在請教…… |
| gazette.blocks[29][0] |
顧部長立雄：您是說現在立法院就刪減的數，是嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[30][0] |
傅委員崐萁：對。 |
| gazette.blocks[31][0] |
顧部長立雄：刪減的數…… |
| gazette.blocks[32][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你認為窒礙難行的部分有多少億？ |
| gazette.blocks[33][0] |
顧部長立雄：八十幾億吧。 |
| gazette.blocks[34][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你窒礙難行的部分有八十幾億？ |
| gazette.blocks[35][0] |
顧部長立雄：我窒礙難行的部分…… |
| gazette.blocks[36][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你剛剛不是說2億、3億，然後還有多少？窒礙難行的部分。 |
| gazette.blocks[37][0] |
顧部長立雄：我窒礙難行的部分，譬如國外旅費是2.4億，國內的交通跟差旅費部分是刪減了2.1億，政策宣導費用刪減了60%，設備及投資刪減了6%，大概12.9億，等等這些都會造成一些我們窒礙難行的地方。 |
| gazette.blocks[38][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，接近20億嘛！所以本席現在這裡很清楚的說，顧部長，多了400億，窒礙難行的部分將近20億，立法院通過國防部的預算遠超過你窒礙難行的數字，你說不能流用，沒有關係，你可以向本院來申請，不管是追加減也好，都可以申請，了解了嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[38][1] |
好，接下來本席…… |
| gazette.blocks[39][0] |
顧部長立雄：呃，我想委員這樣的講法…… |
| gazette.blocks[40][0] |
傅委員崐萁：請你尊重我們的…… |
| gazette.blocks[41][0] |
顧部長立雄：希望是國民黨團一致的意見，就這個部分我們還有一個彌補的方法，既然…… |
| gazette.blocks[42][0] |
傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，你覺得有什麼…… |
| gazette.blocks[43][0] |
顧部長立雄：傅委員在這邊明白的表示…… |
| gazette.blocks[44][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你認為是可以彌補的方法，你現在就提出來。顧部長，本席問什麼，你回答什麼，本席沒有問的，請你不要回答。本席已經很善意告訴你，多給了你400億，而你說有一、二十億窒礙難行，本席也已經告訴你，有什麼你認為窒礙難行的，都可以向本院提出來。 |
| gazette.blocks[44][1] |
接下來請林佳龍部長。 |
| gazette.blocks[45][0] |
林部長佳龍：委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[46][0] |
傅委員崐萁：今年的預算比去年的預算增加多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
林部長佳龍：我們原編是319億。 |
| gazette.blocks[48][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你直接告訴本席增加了多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
林部長佳龍：刪減之後，我們現在是刪減了13.95億，增加的大概是7億。 |
| gazette.blocks[50][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，有沒有窒礙難行的部分？ |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
林部長佳龍：有。 |
| gazette.blocks[52][0] |
傅委員崐萁：大概多少金額？ |
| gazette.blocks[53][0] |
林部長佳龍：因為我們現在的外交工作，我想委員也了解，世界各國都想跟臺灣來…… |
| gazette.blocks[54][0] |
傅委員崐萁：請告訴本席是多少金額。 |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
林部長佳龍：我們希望能夠恢復的包括像國際宣傳費，還有包括跟邦交國或幫新的…… |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
傅委員崐萁：國際宣傳費是多少金額？多少金額？ |
| gazette.blocks[57][0] |
林部長佳龍：1.1億。 |
| gazette.blocks[58][0] |
傅委員崐萁：如果你覺得窒礙難行，多給了你7億，今年多給7億，你說你少了一億多，窒礙難行，你可以向本院提出來。 |
| gazette.blocks[59][0] |
林部長佳龍：謝謝委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[60][0] |
傅委員崐萁：接下來請問內政部劉部長，今年比去年的預算多了多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[61][0] |
劉部長世芳：我們多的不是太多，如果以部本部來講，我們目前為止被刪跟凍的部分大概是十幾億左右，但是比較重要的是…… |
| gazette.blocks[62][0] |
傅委員崐萁：增加多少金額？這是本席問的問題，為什麼？很奇怪耶，這些部長不知道貴院的預算嗎？本席請教你今年比去年多了多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[63][0] |
劉部長世芳：部本部不會太多。 |
| gazette.blocks[64][0] |
傅委員崐萁：不會太多？ |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
劉部長世芳：還需要詳查一下。 |
| gazette.blocks[66][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你內政部主管沒有多很多？ |
| gazette.blocks[67][0] |
劉部長世芳：不是，內政部主管的包括國土署、警政署…… |
| gazette.blocks[68][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席在問的是你內政部主管…… |
| gazette.blocks[69][0] |
劉部長世芳：還有移民署。 |
| gazette.blocks[70][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席問的問題，請你回答本席的問題！內政部主管的部分，今年比去年多了多少金額？本席還要告訴你嗎？不知道？ |
| gazette.blocks[71][0] |
劉部長世芳：委員…… |
| gazette.blocks[72][0] |
傅委員崐萁：那你怎麼做部長？不知道？好，本席告訴你，沒有關係。今年比去年多了400億，成長幅度將近40%…… |
| gazette.blocks[73][0] |
劉部長世芳：您現在講的是我們的住宅基金部分…… |
| gazette.blocks[74][0] |
傅委員崐萁：內政部主管，包括所有其他相關的署等等，內政部主管的，所以內政部主管的部分今年預算增加了多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[75][0] |
劉部長世芳：如果你把住宅基金放進去的話，是增加將近400億左右，但是其他幾乎都維持沒有變動。 |
| gazette.blocks[76][0] |
傅委員崐萁：謝謝。現在本席告訴你，國土署多了將近280億，消防署多了百分之一百的預算，將近一倍，所以…… |
| gazette.blocks[77][0] |
劉部長世芳：20億左右。 |
| gazette.blocks[78][0] |
傅委員崐萁：如果你覺得多了400億給你，還有窒礙難行的部分，請向本院提出來。 |
| gazette.blocks[78][1] |
三位部長請回。再過來請…… |
| gazette.blocks[79][0] |
劉部長世芳：我們希望貴院可以通過這個覆議案。 |
| gazette.blocks[80][0] |
傅委員崐萁：三位部長請回，本席的時間有限。 |
| gazette.blocks[80][1] |
接下來請國發會、原民會及客委會。 |
| gazette.blocks[81][0] |
主席：請國發會、原民會及客委會的主管備詢。 |
| gazette.blocks[82][0] |
傅委員崐萁：教育部、法務部、經濟部請準備。 |
| gazette.blocks[82][1] |
算了，你們6位部長一起來好了，不然你們這個行動的時間太久，有點行動不良，都走得很慢。 |
| gazette.blocks[83][0] |
主席：請國發會、原民會、客委會…… |
| gazette.blocks[84][0] |
翁委員曉玲：時間先暫停啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[85][0] |
傅委員崐萁：時間是不是先暫停？如果他們這樣走路都要2分鐘以上，這個時間是不是要先暫停？ |
| gazette.blocks[86][0] |
主席：來，請把握時間。 |
| gazette.blocks[87][0] |
傅委員崐萁：現在是國發會、客委會跟原民會嘛，我們再請經濟部、法務部、教育部。 |
| gazette.blocks[88][0] |
主席：請經濟部部長、法務部部長、教育部部長，請備詢。 |
| gazette.blocks[89][0] |
傅委員崐萁：還有交通部。 |
| gazette.blocks[90][0] |
主席：請交通部部長備詢。 |
| gazette.blocks[91][0] |
傅委員崐萁：國發會，今年預算比去年多多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[92][0] |
劉主任委員鏡清：多了6.8億。 |
| gazette.blocks[93][0] |
傅委員崐萁：不只吧？ |
| gazette.blocks[94][0] |
劉主任委員鏡清：沒錯，從40.3億增加到47.5億。 |
| gazette.blocks[95][0] |
傅委員崐萁：主委，本席讓你看一下，不是這個金額，沒關係啦！今年比去年多了11億給你，多了45%，怎麼連部會首長來這裡提覆議，預算是多少都不曉得！那我們在檢討什麼覆議案啊！再來，如果有窒礙難行，請向本院提出來，可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[96][0] |
劉主任委員鏡清：可以啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[97][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[97][1] |
接下來是原民會，今年比去年預算多多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[98][0] |
曾主任委員智勇：應該是差不多增加13億，不過主要是增加在禁伐補償的部分。 |
| gazette.blocks[99][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，今年比去年預算多13億，原民會如果有窒礙難行的話，可以跟本院提出來，可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[100][0] |
曾主任委員智勇：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[101][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，謝謝。客委會呢？ |
| gazette.blocks[102][0] |
嚴主任委員德發：退輔會比去年多19億。 |
| gazette.blocks[103][0] |
傅委員崐萁：是客委會。 |
| gazette.blocks[104][0] |
主席：是客委會。 |
| gazette.blocks[105][0] |
傅委員崐萁：不是退輔會。好，客委會呢？ |
| gazette.blocks[106][0] |
古主任委員秀妃：今年預算比去年增加大概兩億多而已。 |
| gazette.blocks[107][0] |
傅委員崐萁：4億。 |
| gazette.blocks[108][0] |
古主任委員秀妃：那是刪減過後。 |
| gazette.blocks[109][0] |
傅委員崐萁：刪減過後是4億以上，不是4億以下…… |
| gazette.blocks[110][0] |
古主任委員秀妃：那是還沒刪減。 |
| gazette.blocks[111][0] |
傅委員崐萁：所以今年預算比去年多，如果有窒礙難行的話，可以向本院提出來，可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[112][0] |
古主任委員秀妃：好，可以。 |
| gazette.blocks[113][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，謝謝。再來是經濟部，今年預算比去年預算多多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[114][0] |
郭部長智輝：…… |
| gazette.blocks[115][0] |
傅委員崐萁：不曉得？好，部長請回，來這裡都不曉得自己的預算！ |
| gazette.blocks[115][1] |
再來是法務部，部長，今年預算比去年多多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[116][0] |
鄭部長銘謙：增加12.3億。 |
| gazette.blocks[117][0] |
傅委員崐萁：增加十九億多，沒有關係，因為這是中華民國第一次主計長不給立法院，實際統刪可以刪的金額都不給我們，沒有關係，各部會也是「霧煞煞」，很正常。 |
| gazette.blocks[118][0] |
鄭部長銘謙：這個是法定預算，不是…… |
| gazette.blocks[119][0] |
傅委員崐萁：但是…… |
| gazette.blocks[120][0] |
鄭部長銘謙：是12.3億…… |
| gazette.blocks[121][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，沒關係，你就加起來嘛，多了十九億多，有沒有窒礙難行？ |
| gazette.blocks[122][0] |
鄭部長銘謙：這部分最主要是統刪，另外…… |
| gazette.blocks[123][0] |
傅委員崐萁：統刪的部分如果不會的話，回去問一下主計長，如果主計長不適任就把他撤換。 |
| gazette.blocks[124][0] |
鄭部長銘謙：這個統刪的部分…… |
| gazette.blocks[125][0] |
傅委員崐萁：我現在是告訴卓榮泰院長…… |
| gazette.blocks[126][0] |
鄭部長銘謙：另外有些指定刪減，因為不能流用…… |
| gazette.blocks[127][0] |
傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，部長，如果沒有辦法，有窒礙難行的部分，請向本院提出來，好不好？謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[128][0] |
鄭部長銘謙：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[129][0] |
傅委員崐萁：教育部，今年的預算比去年多多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[130][0] |
鄭部長英耀：就我們政策上的推動，需要增加278億。 |
| gazette.blocks[131][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你送出來就沒有多那麼多，你送出來就沒有多這麼多嘛。 |
| gazette.blocks[132][0] |
鄭部長英耀：大概…… |
| gazette.blocks[133][0] |
傅委員崐萁：教育部多280億，沒有錯，280億，我們這個表錯誤，280億是對的，我們給你超過280億，增加的幅度是8%。 |
| gazette.blocks[134][0] |
鄭部長英耀：我們對許多優質的平價幼托、所有年輕家庭的照顧，這就多了49億。 |
| gazette.blocks[135][0] |
傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，因為今年立法院給教育部的預算多了將近300億，所以如果你覺得還不夠的話，可以向本院提出追加，可以嗎？有窒礙難行的部分也可以向本院提出來，好不好？謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[136][0] |
鄭部長英耀：謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[137][0] |
傅委員崐萁：交通部，今年比去年預算多多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[138][0] |
陳部長世凱：跟委員報告，因為今年很多的交通建設進入高峰期，所以今年的預算增加了389億。 |
| gazette.blocks[139][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，389億，謝謝。我們的數字大概都有一些差異，就是因為主計總處不給我們資料，這是中華民國行憲以來第一次，行政院的主計長不給立法院資料！ |
| gazette.blocks[139][1] |
再來，交通部，本席再跟你介紹一下，我們觀光署多了30億，公路總局多了173億，鐵道局多了146億，所以我們希望交通部今年該做的建設要好好做，不要說沒有錢，你要的錢我們都有給你。 |
| gazette.blocks[140][0] |
陳部長世凱：委員，您的那個數字可能沒有扣掉刪除跟凍結的。 |
| gazette.blocks[141][0] |
傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，因為現在主計長還不給我們所有的資料，所以本院今天不能說是雞同鴨講，但是我們現在瞎子摸象，就是今年比去年的預算多很多錢。 |
| gazette.blocks[141][1] |
如果窒礙難行的話，可以向本院提出來，好不好？謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[142][0] |
陳部長世凱：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[143][0] |
傅委員崐萁：接下來農業部、衛福部、文化部、環境部。 |
| gazette.blocks[144][0] |
主席：是不是請這些部長先請回？然後接下來請農業部、衛福部，還有文化部。 |
| gazette.blocks[145][0] |
傅委員崐萁：來，農業部，今年預算比去年多多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[146][0] |
陳部長駿季：我們今年1,692億，比去年增加了83.24吧，大概。 |
| gazette.blocks[147][0] |
傅委員崐萁：83.24？ |
| gazette.blocks[148][0] |
陳部長駿季：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[149][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，如果有窒礙難行的話，請向本院提出。 |
| gazette.blocks[150][0] |
陳部長駿季：我們今天就是來…… |
| gazette.blocks[151][0] |
傅委員崐萁：接下來衛福部。 |
| gazette.blocks[152][0] |
邱部長泰源：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[153][0] |
傅委員崐萁：今年預算比去年多多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[154][0] |
邱部長泰源：我們因為人民健康的需求增加，我們多編了317億，審完以後多了306億，也就是說刪除了11億。 |
| gazette.blocks[155][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，所以有窒礙難行的話，向本院提出來。 |
| gazette.blocks[156][0] |
邱部長泰源：當然有些需要，有些窒礙難行。 |
| gazette.blocks[157][0] |
傅委員崐萁：文化部？ |
| gazette.blocks[158][0] |
李部長遠：文化部比去年少很多，我們編了290億，被刪11億、凍34億。我要解釋，凍的那個理由，我們無法解決，所以還是跟刪一樣。 |
| gazette.blocks[159][0] |
傅委員崐萁：部長？ |
| gazette.blocks[160][0] |
李部長遠：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[161][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席在問的問題，請你回答我的問題，本席沒有問凍結，請問刪除，我們多多少億？ |
| gazette.blocks[162][0] |
李部長遠：我沒有多啊！變少啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[163][0] |
傅委員崐萁：文化部多了這麼多錢…… |
| gazette.blocks[164][0] |
李部長遠：你要跟去年比喔？ |
| gazette.blocks[165][0] |
林委員倩綺：當然啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[166][0] |
傅委員崐萁：跟去年比。 |
| gazette.blocks[167][0] |
李部長遠：對啊！我變少啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[168][0] |
傅委員崐萁：文化部怎麼會比去年少？ |
| gazette.blocks[169][0] |
李部長遠：你刪了我11億啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[170][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你這樣的話，本席要特別把你留下來跟你請教喔！今年的核列數比去年多了二十六億多，你怎麼可以在這裡公然說謊呢？文化部比去年多了26億，如果你看不懂加減乘除，本席再開一個課來教你，好不好？如果窒礙難行，請向本院提出，請回！ |
| gazette.blocks[170][1] |
來，接下來環境部。 |
| gazette.blocks[170][2] |
文化部，本席會特別關心你，因為你在這裡公然說謊，本席會特別去請教，還去委員會找你，明天本席還會再問你，你再回去查清楚，本席明天還會再問你。 |
| gazette.blocks[170][3] |
再過來，環境部。 |
| gazette.blocks[171][0] |
彭部長啓明：報告委員，我們反而是比去年減少2億左右。 |
| gazette.blocks[172][0] |
傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，你講的是事實，如果有窒礙難行的話，向本院提出，可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[173][0] |
彭部長啓明：好，沒問題，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[174][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，請回。 |
| gazette.blocks[174][1] |
接下來請金管會、國科會，還有海委會。 |
| gazette.blocks[175][0] |
主席：請金管會主委、國科會主委，還有海委會主委。 |
| gazette.blocks[176][0] |
彭主任委員金隆：傅委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[177][0] |
傅委員崐萁：金管會今年比去年預算多多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[178][0] |
彭主任委員金隆：我們估計刪減以後，今年比去年多6,500萬左右。 |
| gazette.blocks[179][0] |
傅委員崐萁：我們是算1億啦！沒有關係，如果有窒礙難行的話，可以向本院提出，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[180][0] |
彭主任委員金隆：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[181][0] |
傅委員崐萁：海委會，你們多很多錢喔！ |
| gazette.blocks[182][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：因為付款的高峰。委員，每一年付款額度不一樣，今年是付款的高峰，所以一定得增加。 |
| gazette.blocks[183][0] |
傅委員崐萁：所以多多少？ |
| gazette.blocks[184][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：而且還有新增的事項不能不做。 |
| gazette.blocks[185][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[186][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：新增了43億，我們在委員會跨黨派的委員都支持，所以被刪掉的話，我們的影響還很大。 |
| gazette.blocks[187][0] |
傅委員崐萁：沒有關係…… |
| gazette.blocks[188][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：窒礙難行，今天覆議就是提出來窒礙難行。 |
| gazette.blocks[189][0] |
傅委員崐萁：主委，你明天還可以回答，你不要急。 |
| gazette.blocks[190][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：委員，真的窒礙難行！ |
| gazette.blocks[191][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席請教你的問題…… |
| gazette.blocks[192][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：我們很希望能夠恢復…… |
| gazette.blocks[193][0] |
傅委員崐萁：請你回答。 |
| gazette.blocks[194][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：我回答了。 |
| gazette.blocks[195][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你明天還有機會，明天還有45分鐘讓你講。 |
| gazette.blocks[196][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：我們希望能恢復。 |
| gazette.blocks[197][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席今天是釐清一些事情而已。 |
| gazette.blocks[198][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：因為是付款的高峰，我們如果不付就不能交船。 |
| gazette.blocks[199][0] |
傅委員崐萁：哪一個部會不用付款？請回。 |
| gazette.blocks[200][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：所以不能刪。 |
| gazette.blocks[201][0] |
傅委員崐萁：請回。 |
| gazette.blocks[202][0] |
管主任委員碧玲：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[203][0] |
傅委員崐萁：在這裡亂講，滿口胡說八道，不要用民代的方式在這裡。 |
| gazette.blocks[204][0] |
范委員雲：不能說官員…… |
| gazette.blocks[205][0] |
傅委員崐萁：不要影響本席的時間！ |
| gazette.blocks[205][1] |
再過來，國科會。 |
| gazette.blocks[206][0] |
吳主任委員誠文：委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[207][0] |
傅委員崐萁：今年經費比去年多多少錢？ |
| gazette.blocks[208][0] |
吳主任委員誠文：連3個園區多了差不多一百…… |
| gazette.blocks[209][0] |
傅委員崐萁：132億？ |
| gazette.blocks[210][0] |
吳主任委員誠文：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[211][0] |
傅委員崐萁：國科會比去年多132億，如果有需要的話，要追加還是有窒礙難行的話，可以隨時向本院提出，可以嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[212][0] |
吳主任委員誠文：可以。 |
| gazette.blocks[213][0] |
傅委員崐萁：好，謝謝主委。 |
| gazette.blocks[213][1] |
我們請卓院長。 |
| gazette.blocks[214][0] |
主席：好，請卓院長備詢。 |
| gazette.blocks[215][0] |
傅委員崐萁：請主席管制一下會場的秩序。 |
| gazette.blocks[216][0] |
主席：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[217][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席在這裡質詢，請執政黨不要用惡劣的方式在下面攻擊，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[218][0] |
主席：好，我們請大家相互尊重。 |
| gazette.blocks[218][1] |
卓院長早。 |
| gazette.blocks[219][0] |
卓院長榮泰：傅委員、翁委員、林委員，好。 |
| gazette.blocks[220][0] |
傅委員崐萁：今天很溫馨，只要不要有狡辯的，本席都會很誠懇地來了解行政院到底有什麼問題。經由早上卓榮泰院長所提出來，今年我們實際刪除的數字不是2,075億，而是只有1,439億，所以通過是2兆9,986億，接近3兆可以說就是3兆，如果有什麼窒礙難行的話，本席剛剛已經請教各部會，都可以向本院提出來。我想總預算的部分已經講得很清楚了，但是本席要在這裡向你嚴正抗議…… |
| gazette.blocks[221][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我能不能先請…… |
| gazette.blocks[222][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你用的主計長竟然……在過去所有的朝野協商，每一年執政黨民進黨都要求我們統刪一個數字百分之多少，這是常年的慣例，今年的統刪這個主計長說他排不出來，排不出來表示能力不足，溝通協調都不足，他可以來行政院溝通、可以跟立法院各個委員會來溝通，從1月21號通過總預算到現在都沒有來，所以如果不適任的話，就應該要換人，而且去年的GDP成長才4.59%，但是今天我們剛剛一個部會、一個部會的詢問，幾乎大部分都超過10%的年度編列預算，所以我們不一定講國王的新衣，但是都已經戳破了。現在本席就總預算的部分，給卓院長一個良心的建議，不適任的部會首長要換掉，準備來這裡吵架的部會首長、不是要來解決問題的都把他撤換掉，過去當過民意代表，現在已經不是民意代表，不要用民意代表的鬥性在這裡回答問題，本席問的問題很簡單，但是不用這種方式來回答，如果這樣來回答的話，以後內閣不會很好待。我們再來請教一下…… |
| gazette.blocks[223][0] |
卓院長榮泰：委員，我能不能答復2個問題就好了？ |
| gazette.blocks[224][0] |
傅委員崐萁：沒有，本席沒有問你的問題，所以不用回答。 |
| gazette.blocks[225][0] |
卓院長榮泰：那這樣的對話就達不到目的啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[226][0] |
傅委員崐萁：可以對話，現在本席問你的問題，就接下來的問題，可以回答。 |
| gazette.blocks[227][0] |
卓院長榮泰：總預算的問題，讓我答復一下。 |
| gazette.blocks[228][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你剛剛已經在這裡報告過了，本席也一個一個部會詢問過了。來，現在請教院長。 |
| gazette.blocks[229][0] |
卓院長榮泰：你問…… |
| gazette.blocks[230][0] |
傅委員崐萁：明天還有45分鐘可以回答問題。 |
| gazette.blocks[231][0] |
卓院長榮泰：明天是財劃法。 |
| gazette.blocks[232][0] |
傅委員崐萁：沒有關係，都一樣啦。來，選前騙票，選後跳票。賴清德總統、蕭美琴副總統，包括蔡英文總統，一再的說要給花東人一條安全回家的路。花東快，曾經蕭美琴副總統在2020年跟本席競選立委的時候，馬上說要儘快對花東快再一次做可行性研究，結果現在當選了就不算數了，為什麼現在花東快又退回？請回答。 |
| gazette.blocks[233][0] |
卓院長榮泰：委員也應該知道，我們對於蘇花安、蘇花改…… |
| gazette.blocks[234][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席不知道才請問，我怎麼會了解、怎麼會知道呢？ |
| gazette.blocks[235][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我們花了多少的心血在做蘇花安、蘇花改這兩項工程…… |
| gazette.blocks[236][0] |
傅委員崐萁：蘇花安本席待會再問你。請回答本席的問題，為什麼…… |
| gazette.blocks[237][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我們首先要改善的是從北部到花蓮這一段，讓大家有一條安全回家的路，所以這兩條路我們花了將近3,000億元，這個工程也持續進行。委員所關心的是花蓮到臺東這一段，我們將來會再審慎評估合理的時間、合理的經費、合理的施工方式，以及地方之所需要，現在這個程序已經在交通部反反覆覆一再做任何的審議，是不是請部長能夠說明？ |
| gazette.blocks[238][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席現在…… |
| gazette.blocks[239][0] |
陳部長世凱：報告委員…… |
| gazette.blocks[240][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席沒有要你回答，請維持會場該有的秩序，本席沒有請你回答，請不要回答，部長請回。 |
| gazette.blocks[240][1] |
本席請教院長，一個父母官要有父母心，整個臺灣西部密密麻麻的交通網絡，東部是蔡英文總統、賴清德總統對於人民的承諾，選前一張臉，選後一張臉，選前承諾選後就翻桌。你剛剛告訴本席還要看情況逐步來做，以後還要慢慢考量，那你當時來花蓮要選票的時候就應該講清楚。立法院都做了決議，去年7月16號就通過花東快要積極興建，而且12年內要完成，民進黨柯建銘總召、吳思瑤幹事長通通都有簽字，為什麼給你們這麼多的總預算，但是你們都不能用父母心來看整個國家的建設，民進黨欺負花東人民很久了。 |
| gazette.blocks[241][0] |
卓院長榮泰：絕對沒有。 |
| gazette.blocks[242][0] |
傅委員崐萁：您剛剛說什麼三千多億啊，什麼叫做蘇花安三千多億？蘇花安通過了沒有？本席問你通過了沒有？通過了沒有？回答本席的問題嘛！不要狡辯！ |
| gazette.blocks[243][0] |
卓院長榮泰：三段要依序…… |
| gazette.blocks[244][0] |
傅委員崐萁：通過了沒有嘛？ |
| gazette.blocks[245][0] |
卓院長榮泰：時程都已經確定了。 |
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傅委員崐萁：那通過了沒有嘛？ |
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卓院長榮泰：時程確定以後就會依照程序來通過。 |
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傅委員崐萁：好，本席上一次總質詢質詢你，你告訴本席這個資料是錯誤的，我們把公文全部調出來，發現是完全正確的。本席再問你一次，你可以再騙一次沒有關係，蘇花改行政院99年2月8號核定可行研究，100年1月29號動工，11個月；蘇花安108年12月20號核定，現在5年了，不在交通部，也不在國發會，他們都審查通過了，現在躺在您的桌上，行政院長本人審議中。5年了，我不曉得行政院卓院長你有這個專業，你可以審議啊！你是不是有這個專業？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我還用不到一年的時間…… |
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傅委員崐萁：從出國發會到你這邊，放在您桌上，去年底就出國發會，現在你還在審議當中。你看一下，這就是民進黨的效率，108年12月20號核定，到現在5年了！5年了！國民黨執政的時候，11個月動工，你現在還在審議。 |
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卓院長榮泰：如果歷任的院長都這麼慎重，我也必須慎重。 |
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傅委員崐萁：你如果沒有看過行政院的公文，本席可以發給你沒有關係，看你會不會汗顏。5年了！還說什麼三千多億，三千多億在哪裡？你把三千多億列出來給本席看，不要天天在立法院說謊！可恥的事情！可恥的事情！ |
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卓院長榮泰：報告副院長…… |
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傅委員崐萁：公文都在這裡！公文都在這裡！ |
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卓院長榮泰：從剛剛閣員在這裡，一再指責閣員說謊，副院長應該制止一下。 |
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主席：好，我們相互尊重，繼續答詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰：記憶好不好那是一回事，不是說謊的問題，我很願意跟委員對話，但委員不是說謊就是敲桌，這有什麼好對話的？ |
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傅委員崐萁：今天不是第一次來詢問你，總預算已經詢問過了，你上一次告訴本席，我們都可以調光碟出來看，如果上次本席提供的公文是錯誤的，本席今天讓你看公文，公文哪裡有錯？ |
| gazette.blocks[259][0] |
卓院長榮泰：上次委員講的不只這一件。 |
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傅委員崐萁：就是這一件。 |
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卓院長榮泰：很多邏輯都不對。 |
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傅委員崐萁：調光碟就知道，要不要我明天再放給你看？你上次說本席的資料錯誤。一個宰相、一個閣揆有沒有一個父母官的心情，你現在正式告訴花東人民，花東快又被退了，蘇花安不知下落，花東快被退了！而且花東快還是立法院三黨全部簽字的，院會也宣讀通過。本席在這裡請教，沒關係，你明天還可以回答。 |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，我去年每次到花蓮，我們談話都很愉快，你都沒有說我們沒有父母官的心情，來到這裡你就這樣講。 |
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傅委員崐萁：卓院長，談話愉不愉快，我在這裡也可以跟你很快樂，也可以擁抱你，都沒有問題…… |
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卓院長榮泰：也可以啊！不要敲桌啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：只要你答應的事情，花東人的建設你好好地一樣一樣去做。 |
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卓院長榮泰：過去院長審慎，我也必須審慎。 |
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傅委員崐萁：讓整個國家的發展是均衡的，必須東西平衡發展。你那三千多億，你今天話又留在這裡，請你今天下班前把什麼三千多億交給本席，你在這裡這次的詢答、國會詢答…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我是說我們這個預計會花3,000億。 |
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傅委員崐萁：你告訴本席，花蓮你花了三千多億，請你把這個資料送到立法院來，送到本席辦公室，明天本席還會請教你。 |
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接下來我們看一下，台積電加碼1,000億，連之前的650億，總共1,650億，前後要蓋5座新的晶圓廠，2座先進封裝廠，還有研發中心都設在美國。 |
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卓院長榮泰：3座晶圓廠。 |
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傅委員崐萁：連之前的650億美金。 |
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卓院長榮泰：總共是6座。 |
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傅委員崐萁：總共有1,650億美金、五兆多臺幣。院長，你於心何忍？把我們的護國神山搬到國外去了，我們的矽盾從此破裂，請問院長，你同意這樣做嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，國內的產業是政府指向哪裡，它就要到哪裡嗎？還是政府說它不能到哪裡，它就不能到那裡？它當然要經過我們的投審會，進到投審會，我們就會逐一審慎地來審議。產業的全球布局，政府採取樂觀的態度，但是要根留臺灣，要以臺灣領先為優先。 |
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傅委員崐萁：您剛剛提到投審會，投審會過了沒？ |
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卓院長榮泰：還沒過啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：還沒過？都跟美國總統已經正式開過記者會了，難道你認為這個投資是假的嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：那它要經過我們投審會的審議，符合我們的各種規定，就是符合我們投審會的要求，它就可以順利設廠。 |
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傅委員崐萁：他今天跟川普總統在宣布之前，您知不知道？ |
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卓院長榮泰：台積電跟川普總統的談話，它是國際布局的一部分，但是國內…… |
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傅委員崐萁：您知不知道？ |
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卓院長榮泰：當然知道。 |
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傅委員崐萁：您同不同意？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我同不同意？我沒有辦法…… |
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傅委員崐萁：您同不同意？ |
| gazette.blocks[287][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我們樂觀產業界的國際布局。 |
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傅委員崐萁：所以你是同意的？ |
| gazette.blocks[289][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我們樂觀產業界的國際布局，我沒有資格說我同意不同意。 |
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傅委員崐萁：國家的政策、我們的護國神山，還有你「樂觀」、你沒有同意的權力，你是什麼……我們看一下，你連相關法令都搞不清楚！「國外投資有下列情形之一者，主管機關得不予核准：一、影響國家安全。二、對國家經濟發展有不利影響…… |
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卓院長榮泰：如果不經過投審會，它不符合我們的規定，我們當然有權力。但是它要國外的布局…… |
| gazette.blocks[292][0] |
傅委員崐萁：那你現在覺得你同不同意？台積電到美國投資，你同不同意？ |
| gazette.blocks[293][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我還是那句話…… |
| gazette.blocks[294][0] |
傅委員崐萁：5兆臺幣，同不同意？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我不是投審會其中的一員，我能在這裡講我同不同意嗎？但是一定要符合國家的法令，符合投審會的規定。 |
| gazette.blocks[296][0] |
傅委員崐萁：院長，你要概括負責國內所有的政治、經濟，你要概括負責！ |
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卓院長榮泰：是嗎？那剛剛上一題我不同意你也…… |
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傅委員崐萁：那是我們的護國神山！ |
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卓院長榮泰：剛剛那個蘇花…… |
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傅委員崐萁：那是我們的護國神山！ |
| gazette.blocks[301][0] |
卓院長榮泰：蘇花快我不同意你也反對啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：臺灣的矽盾！ |
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卓院長榮泰：蘇花快我如果不同意，你贊成嗎？ |
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傅委員崐萁：可以，你可以說你不同意啊！你可以告訴我們，你告訴全國國人，你說你不同意，沒有關係…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我不會像你這麼草率。 |
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傅委員崐萁：你可以公開講嘛！不要遮遮掩掩。 |
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卓院長榮泰：我不會像你這麼草率。過去的院長慎重，我就必須慎重。 |
| gazette.blocks[308][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你把你心裡的話講出來了是嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[309][0] |
卓院長榮泰：不是，我是請問，你說所有的東西都要我同意，是這樣子嗎？ |
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傅委員崐萁：你就公開誠實告訴大家嘛！依臺灣所處的情況，這會影響到我們是多麼嚴重！我們的護國神山，這是國民黨在臺灣四十年血汗推動出來的台積電。 |
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卓院長榮泰：那你要我們鎖國嗎？完全都不能讓人家出去嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[312][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席沒有說要鎖國。 |
| gazette.blocks[313][0] |
卓院長榮泰：環球晶不能出去，聯發科也不能出去，所以都不能出去…… |
| gazette.blocks[314][0] |
傅委員崐萁：我們最高科技的製程，2奈米、1.6奈米都要去美國，我們沒有國家安全嗎？沒有科技製程的安全嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我一再表示，各種國際布局要保持臺灣領先的地位，關鍵技術一定是以臺灣領先，研發中心要以臺灣為核心，我們要占據這個關鍵生產力的地位，這個不容討價還價。 |
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傅委員崐萁：關鍵地位？2奈米、1.6奈米，全世界最先進的關鍵技術都搬到國外去了…… |
| gazette.blocks[317][0] |
卓院長榮泰：那是幾年以後的事情，委員知道嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[318][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你們做了什麼保護啊？ |
| gazette.blocks[319][0] |
卓院長榮泰：它就算設廠…… |
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傅委員崐萁：這是什麼保護啊？ |
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卓院長榮泰：它就算設廠，也是幾年以後的事情。 |
| gazette.blocks[322][0] |
傅委員崐萁：這算什麼保護？還什麼幾年以後！ |
| gazette.blocks[323][0] |
卓院長榮泰：是幾年以後的事情。 |
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傅委員崐萁：你認為幾年以後你不當行政院長了，是嗎？你的投資只有看幾年以後啊？ |
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卓院長榮泰：不是，幾年以後它才會在美國量產。 |
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傅委員崐萁：國家的規模、vision是看整個幾十年哪！什麼幾年以後！這是什麼內閣啊？ |
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卓院長榮泰：所以委員的意思是不能出去嗎？ |
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傅委員崐萁：當然不可以出去啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：這是代表…… |
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傅委員崐萁：全國國人同意沒有？ |
| gazette.blocks[331][0] |
卓院長榮泰：你這樣講話是代表中央政府嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[332][0] |
傅委員崐萁：這是矽盾、這是護國神山耶！ |
| gazette.blocks[333][0] |
卓院長榮泰：你這樣講話是代表中央政府嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[334][0] |
翁委員曉玲：是代表老百姓、代表民意！ |
| gazette.blocks[335][0] |
傅委員崐萁：我代表我們中華民國國會！中央機構！本席正式地告訴你。 |
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卓院長榮泰：那我代表中央政府，我們歡迎…… |
| gazette.blocks[337][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席是中央機構！ |
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卓院長榮泰：我代表中央政府，我歡迎我們國內的廠商對全球布局，但是我們要嚴守國內的法律。 |
| gazette.blocks[339][0] |
傅委員崐萁：所以你同意台積電護國神山到國外去，是不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[340][0] |
卓院長榮泰：要嚴守國內的要求、國內的各項法令。 |
| gazette.blocks[341][0] |
傅委員崐萁：請問一下，這對於我們上下游整個產業的出走、空洞化有多大的影響，你知道嗎？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們希望它的垂直供應鏈…… |
| gazette.blocks[343][0] |
傅委員崐萁：每一年的GDP多少影響，你知道嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[344][0] |
卓院長榮泰：能夠整體的發展。 |
| gazette.blocks[345][0] |
傅委員崐萁：國家整體的發展…… |
| gazette.blocks[346][0] |
卓院長榮泰：垂直供應鏈也要…… |
| gazette.blocks[347][0] |
傅委員崐萁：國家整體的發展，好，本席現在教育你一下。什麼叫做國家整體的發展？他們帶走的是5兆臺幣，還不包括上下游，一年GDP的產值是多少錢？這對臺灣是重創，人才的出走…… |
| gazette.blocks[348][0] |
卓院長榮泰：那您知道他們還有11個廠要在臺灣設廠嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[349][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席現在告訴你，那是以前，台積電在臺灣累積的成果不是你造成的，但是今天出走是你們民進黨政府造成的！本席再告訴你，我們占全世界高階晶片生產的90%以上，只要臺灣有安全危機，就會影響到全世界的科技發展，它當然是臺灣的保護、臺灣的護國神山，所以臺灣人民…… |
| gazette.blocks[350][0] |
卓院長榮泰：沒有錯，所以不要刪減或凍結我們的國防預算。 |
| gazette.blocks[351][0] |
傅委員崐萁：所以它是護國神山！ |
| gazette.blocks[352][0] |
卓院長榮泰：所以不要凍結或刪減我們的國防預算。 |
| gazette.blocks[353][0] |
傅委員崐萁：你沒有聽過「護國神山」嗎？護國神山你不曉得嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[354][0] |
卓院長榮泰：我們需要護國群山！我們要建立護國群山！ |
| gazette.blocks[355][0] |
傅委員崐萁：本席在這裡再一次告訴你，我們的護國神山遷走以後，整個產業在地繳稅、在地所有薪資發放的消費、在地所有這些人才的流失，整個產業大幅出走，臺灣空洞化…… |
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卓院長榮泰：不會。 |
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傅委員崐萁：消費空洞化、繳稅空洞化，對整個產業的撞擊不是三言兩語能夠講得清楚的。本席在這裡再一次地告訴你！ |
| gazette.blocks[357][1] |
部長，您公開告訴媒體，說台積電去美國你不知道？ |
| gazette.blocks[358][0] |
郭部長智輝：報告委員，我是說它沒有送我們的投審會…… |
| gazette.blocks[359][0] |
傅委員崐萁：喔、喔、喔，好啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[360][0] |
郭部長智輝：有沒有送投審會這件事情我不知道。 |
| gazette.blocks[361][0] |
傅委員崐萁：沒有關係啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[362][0] |
郭部長智輝：因為它沒有送，所以我怎麼可能知道。 |
| gazette.blocks[363][0] |
傅委員崐萁：台積電加碼美國是因為沒有送投審會，所以經濟部長不知道，是這個意思嘛！ |
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郭部長智輝：不知道有送沒有送投審會。 |
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傅委員崐萁：因為沒有送投審會，所以你不知道，要送投審會你才知道。所以這件事情包括賴清德總統、卓榮泰院長在整個台積電往美的過程當中，你統統都不曉得？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我們知道啊！ |
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郭部長智輝：我們當然知道啊！怎麼可能不知道！ |
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卓院長榮泰：總統跟魏董事長也開過記者會啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：現在你又知道了？ |
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郭部長智輝：不是啊…… |
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傅委員崐萁：好，沒有關係。 |
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郭部長智輝：你要看看，前一天已經開了記者會，大家都知道的事情…… |
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傅委員崐萁：好，沒有關係啦，我覺得…… |
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郭部長智輝：怎麼可能第二天我會不知道！ |
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傅委員崐萁：我覺得如果您是在這裡主管一國的經濟，但卻是人頭的話，不知不覺還是後知後覺，本席覺得你不如掛冠歸去，把你的長才在我們商業界好好發展，會得到更多的尊重，不會像國家的總統、行政院長在做讓護國神山崩山的事情，都沒有先讓經濟部長了解，所以本席在這裡深刻表達遺憾！部長沒有受到尊重，真的沒有必要。 |
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卓院長榮泰：委員不必遺憾，我們共同努力，事情就往好的方向…… |
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傅委員崐萁：不如掛冠歸去啊！ |
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卓院長榮泰：一起努力，就會往好的方向，不遺憾。 |
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傅委員崐萁：對於本席的說法，你有什麼回應沒有？ |
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郭部長智輝：委員的想法，我們尊重，但是這件事情，我想你是充分的誤解…… |
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傅委員崐萁：這不是本席的想法，這是最基本的風骨嘛！ |
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郭部長智輝：你也不了解這個狀況，你就下這樣的斷語，我覺得非常遺憾。 |
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傅委員崐萁：這是你告訴全國國人的，不是跟本席講的。 |
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卓院長，護國神山的崩山又是民進黨政府在您的閣揆任內，造成全國這麼大的撞擊，我們的護國神山，中華民國在臺灣累積了75年實力的護國神山，今天終於讓全國國人了解，我們卓榮泰卓院長說樂觀其成，樂觀產業發展，所以護國神山的出走，我們看一看什麼叫經貿大戰、什麼叫科技大戰…… |
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卓院長榮泰：委員，我要更正一句話，我必須更正…… |
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傅委員崐萁：當科技被掏空的時候，臺灣還剩下…… |
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卓院長榮泰：是全球布局，我樂觀其成，不是你說的崩山，我樂觀其成，請你不要用這個短影片在外面污衊中央政府。 |
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傅委員崐萁：所以你說怎麼樣？你沒有樂觀其成，是不是？ |
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卓院長榮泰：我樂觀其成。 |
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傅委員崐萁：樂觀其成？ |
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卓院長榮泰：樂觀其成是它的全球布局…… |
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傅委員崐萁：好，回答得好！台積電到美國去…… |
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卓院長榮泰：不是委員說的護國神山崩山，我樂觀其成，委員不要用這個短片去外面污衊我們。 |
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傅委員崐萁：謝謝你，謝謝卓院長，你又樂觀其成了。所以本席現在終於了解，我們國家的閣揆對於護國神山崩山，整個徹底把臺灣出賣，連條件都沒有講，就直接拱手把臺灣75年來的努力，全部送給大家、送到國外去…… |
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卓院長榮泰：一派胡言啊！ |
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傅委員崐萁：本席在這邊特別提醒卓榮泰院長…… |
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卓院長榮泰：這不用提醒…… |
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傅委員崐萁：家當…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我們對國家的使命感不會比你差。 |
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傅委員崐萁：家當…… |
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翁委員曉玲：請不要任意插話，卓院長真的是一個非常…… |
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卓院長榮泰：他一再的污衊啊！ |
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翁委員曉玲：什麼叫污衊？我們…… |
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卓院長榮泰：你們兩位站在旁邊都無動於衷啊！我本來…… |
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翁委員曉玲：你們現在都已經…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我本來最後還要謝謝兩位委員…… |
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翁委員曉玲：在這個議場上面造謠！ |
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卓院長榮泰：兩位委員在旁邊無動於衷，他一再的污衊嘛！ |
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傅委員崐萁：好，沒有關係…… |
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卓院長榮泰：我要謝謝兩位，如果有意見，今天沒有機會講，私底下跟我談…… |
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林委員倩綺：院長，我們仔細聽你的回答…… |
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翁委員曉玲：你在打斷我們的談話…… |
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傅委員崐萁：主席，他不斷的打斷本席的話，今天本席在這裡是和顏悅色來詢問卓院長，但是你可能不習慣我們和顏悅色的話，沒關係，我們就換一張臉來質詢。 |
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再一次要請教卓院長，韓國人是怎麼挺直腰桿，不讓三星到美國去？臺灣價值就出了一些軟骨頭的內閣、軟骨頭的總統跟院長，才讓我們護國神山崩山！ |
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翁委員曉玲：他就沒有…… |
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卓院長榮泰：明顯我們的台積電就比三星強！ |
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主席：好，時間到。 |
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卓院長榮泰：謝謝兩位委員都沒有發言，有任何意見私底下可以來跟我做交流，今天謝謝兩位的時間。 |
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委員林倩綺書面補充資料： |
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主席：好，謝謝傅委員、翁委員、林委員，也謝謝卓院長。 |
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下一位我們請林國成委員詢問。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
274 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
全院委員會-11-3-2 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
韓國瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
江啟臣 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
吳思瑤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
傅崐萁 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
翁曉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
林倩綺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
范雲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
林國成 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
葛如鈞 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
191 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2025-03-11 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1142501 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1142501_00010 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1142501_00019 |