| IVOD_ID |
159006 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/159006 |
| 日期 |
2025-03-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
全院委員會-11-3-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
全院委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-03-11T09:37:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-03-11T10:23:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:46:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a37056a99b6ff72832adeaef047193ba31125bfab2e25e25b03c98c6f7b87c918fc1c8a01bc256bc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
傅崐萁 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:37:03 - 10:23:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-03-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第2次全院委員會會議（事由：一、「中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案」覆議案（3月11日）。二、「財政收支劃分法」第八條、第十六條之一及第三十條條文覆議案（3月12日）。） |
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主席請這個主席長 |
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請主席長請主席長說明那個主席待會請那個國防部、外交部跟內政部請準備好 |
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國防部外交部還有內政部部長請準備主席長剛剛聽到卓榮泰院長正式來跟本院報告我們一直以為通過的預算是兩兆九千接近三百億 |
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照今天你給卓榮泰院長向本院提出的報告實際刪除數本院對外公布是2075億包含因為貪贓枉法養綠電養蟑螂養派系的台電補貼1000億實際各部會刪除的預算是1075億所以 |
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今天卓榮泰院長的報告說實際刪除數不是2075億而是1439億對不對請直接回答本席因為只有錄音不用點頭的方式可以嗎可以所以實際刪除數是1439億114年度的年度預算是刪除1439億是嗎 |
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是 因為這個部分他要求我們自行要刪減636億但是問題他沒有指定項目這個在針對那個我們一個行政和立法的一個權力的分裂的一個原則上那個主席長你知不知道過去八年民進黨執政每一年都會要求在野黨統三多少趴大家來商量過去不是都是統三嗎 |
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但是以前三的金額很少是不是你只要告訴本席是不是還不是就好是不是以前的統三大概差百分之你有承認就好沒有關係以前執政黨民進黨要求在野黨就協商總預算統三幾趴這是立法院的慣例也是常例 |
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那現在通過的預算等於今天卓榮泰院長再次昭告全國國人實際通過的預算是兩兆九千九百八十六億就是真正的三兆的預算總刪除數是4.5個百分點所以三兆的預算來給新政府他說沒有辦法執政 |
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我們真的很好奇沒有能力執政就下台一鞠躬嘛民進黨還是有很多人才能夠執政的謝謝主席長來我們接下來請三位部長請國防外交和內政部長請備詢請國防部長站中間部長請站中間 謝謝 |
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國發會 園民會 客委會請準備來 我們來請教內政部請教這個國防部部長國防部 顧部長請教一下一百一四年的核列數四千七百一十億去年的核列數四千三百四十億 |
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我們增加了多少億四百多億所以今年度的預算比去年度國防預算多了四百多億部長 請看這尾聲不要緊張所以多了將近九個百分點年度預算多了九個百分點比去年多了九個百分點有沒有自然難以行 |
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跟委員報告,譬如說現在有一個通山的,您剛剛一直提到通山的一個比例的問題但他這一次加入了一個不得留用 |
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那我就舉一個例子我們國外衛生跟出國教育訓練會因此被刪掉了2.4以後不得留用那我簡單講就是說我們新式武器都要到美國去換裝所需要的戒章訓練還有我們要到參加國外的學訓因此這樣子的一個 |
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不得流用的結果我們勢必要減少我們訓練的射擊的發數還有相關的人數規模這個會影響 嚴重的影響我們這一個進行實戰化訓練人力建構這一個不得流用這一個部分是相當嚴重的謝謝你了 請尊重本會好不好以及請你適可而止所以國防部比去年的預算多了9個百分點 |
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現在你說部分不能留用的部分你覺得治安難行的金額是多少以國外旅費的部分的話就有2.4億國內交通跟差旅費3.2億這個也不得留用那麼政策這個宣導經費的預算這個部分是依據全民國行教育法第九條這是我們的法定義務 |
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因為他本身就規定所以是多少錢本席在請求你多少錢不需要告訴本席相關的法調本席現在持續你的部分請不要佔用本席的責任本席問你是多少經費就請告訴本席請剩下的部會介紹的部會不要用這種方式回答本席的問題您是說現在立法院就三檢的宿舍三檢的宿舍大概八十幾億吧你自然男性的部分有八十幾億 |
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我治安難行的部分你剛剛說兩億、三億,然後還有多少?治安難行的部分我治安難行的部分呢,譬如說國外旅費是2.4億國內的交通跟差旅的部分是3-2.1億政策宣導的相減了60%設備級之後是3-6%,大概是2.9億等等這些都會造成一些接近20億 |
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所以本席在這裡很清楚顧部長多了400億自愛男情的部分將近20億立法院通過國防部的預算遠超過你自愛男情的數字你說不能留用沒有關係你可以向本院來申請不管是追加減也好都可以申請了解了嗎 |
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我想委員這樣的講法希望國民黨團一致的意見就這一個部分我們還有一個彌補的方法那既然沒有關係你覺得有什麼認為是可以彌補的方法你就提出來各部長本席問什麼你回答什麼本席沒有問的請你不要回答接下來 |
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本席已經很善意告訴你多了你四百億你所有一二十億自然燃性本席已經告訴你有什麼你認為自然燃性可以向本院提出來接下來林佳龍部長委員好去年的預算增加多少錢我們原本是319億增加多少錢那麼 |
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3之後我們現在是3減13.95億那增加大概是7億好 有沒有自然難行有大概多少金額因為我們現在外交的工作我想委員也了解世界各國都想跟台灣來關係請告訴本席多少金額 |
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我們希望能夠恢復包括像國際宣傳費還有我們現在在包括跟國際宣傳費多少金額1.11億如果你覺得自然難行多了你7億今年多給7億你說你少了1億多自然難行你可以向本院提出來謝謝委員內政部 劉部長 |
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今年比去年預算多多少錢我們多的不是太多大約如果跟那個部本部來講我們目前為止的被刪跟動的部分大概是十幾億左右但是比較重要增加多少金額本席問的問題為什麼很奇怪這些部長你不知道你貴院的預算嗎本席請教你今年比去年多多少錢不會太多 |
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不會太多你內政部主管沒有多很多本席在問的是你內政部主管本席問的問題請你回答本席的問題內政部主管今年比去年多多少金額本席還要告訴你嗎不知道那你怎麼做部長不知道本席告訴你沒有關係今年比去年多了400億 |
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成長幅度將近40%內政部主管將近所有其他的相關的署等等內政部主管所以內政部主管今年預算增加了多少錢如果你把住宅基金放進去的話是增加將近400億左右但是其他幾乎都維持沒有變動現在本席告訴你國土署多了200將近280億消防署 |
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691.158 |
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710.942 |
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多了百分之一百的預算將近一倍所以如果你還覺得多了四百億給你還有這門請向本院提出來三位部長請回再過來請這個我們希望我們希望會員可以通過這個復議案請國防會請國防會 原民會 科委會原民會 科委會主管請備詢 |
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721.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
747.346 |
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請教育部、法務部、經濟部請準備國安會、客委會算你們六位部長起來好了不然你們這個行動的時間有點行動不良時間是不是先暫停如果他們這樣走路都要兩分鐘以上來我們請打握時間請 |
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752.229 |
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777.076 |
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來現在是國發會、客委會跟園民會嘛那我們再請這個經濟部請經濟部部長法務部教育部法務部部長教育部部長請備詢交通部交通部部長嗎來來國發會今天預算比去年多多少錢我多了6.8億不止吧 |
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782.655 |
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788.837 |
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我從40.3%增加到47.25%不是這個金額所以沒關係啦 主委今天比去年多了11億給你 多了45%怎麼連部會首長來這裡提復議預算是多少都不曉得那我們再檢討什麼復議案啊好 再過來 |
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810.734 |
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836.271 |
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如果有自然擔心向本院提出來可以嗎可以啊好 謝謝接下來原民會這個今年比去年預算多多少錢應該是差不多增加13億不過它主要是增加在計劃補償那如果去年比去年預算多13億原民會如果自然擔心的話可以跟本院提出來可以嗎是好 謝謝客委會對 我也比去年多19億 |
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863.37 |
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客委會不是退伏來 客委會今年預算比去年增加大概兩億多而已四億三減過後是四億四億以上不是四億以下所以今年預算比去年多如果有自然難行的話可以向本院提出來 可以嗎好 謝謝再來經濟部 |
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872.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
896.295 |
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今天預算比去年預算多多少錢不曉得 部長請回來這裡都不曉得自己的預算來 法務部部長 今年預算比去年多多少錢增加12.31 |
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898.513 |
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921.446 |
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增加19億多沒有關係你們因為這是中華民國第一次主計長不給立法院實際統三可以三的金額都不給我們沒有關係各部位是無薩薩很正常這個是法定預算是不是但是呢好你沒關係你就加起來嘛多了19億多然後呢有沒有自然來行 |
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922.849 |
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947.239 |
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這部分最主要是統三這部分那另外 統三的部分如果不會的話 回去問一下這個主計長如果主計長不適任就把他撤換我現在是告訴卓榮泰院長那另外有些指定三級沒有關係 部長如果如果沒有辦法如果沒有辦法 有自在難心的部分請向本院提出來好不好 謝謝來 教育部今天比去年 |
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952.728 |
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969.137 |
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今年預算比去年多多少錢就我們的政策上的一個推動需要增加278億你送出來就沒有多這麼多嗎你送出來就沒有多這麼多嗎教育部多280億沒有錯啦我們這個表出280億對的我們多了超過280億給你增加的幅度是8%對許多這個優質的平價誘託所有的年輕家庭的一個照顧 |
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982.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
1003.59 |
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他就多了四十幾億四十九億沒有關係因為今年立法院給教育部的預算多了將近三百億所以呢如果你還覺得還不夠的話可以向本院提出追加可以嗎有自然難心的部也可以向本院提出來好不好 謝謝來 交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
1014.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
1038.546 |
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交通部 今年比去年預算多多少錢跟委員報告因為今年很多的交通建設進入高峰期所以今年的預算增加了389億389億 謝謝我們的數字大概都有些差異就是因為主計總署不給我們資料不給我們資料這是中華民國行縣以來立法院第一次行政院的主計長不給我們資料 |
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1042.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
1067.865 |
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所以交通部本席再給你介紹一下我們這個觀光署多了30億這個公路總局多了173億鐵道局多了146億所以呢我們希望交通部今年好好該做的建設要做不要說沒有錢你要的錢我們都有給你 |
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1069.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
1096.757 |
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委員您的那個數字可能沒有扣掉刪除跟凍結的沒有關係因為主計現在主計長還不給我們所有的資料所以本院今天是不能說雞同鴨講但是我們現在瞎子摸象就是今年比預算今年比去年預算多很多錢如果自然難行的話可以向本院提出來好不好 謝謝接下來農業部衛福部文化部環境部 |
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1097.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
1121.719 |
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我們是不是先請這些部長請回然後接下來請農業部、衛福部文化部農業部今年預算比去年多多少錢 |
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1123.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
1145.03 |
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我們今年1,692億比去年增加了83.24%吧大概83.24%如果自然來襲的話請向本院提出接下來衛福部今年預算比去年多多少錢我們因為人民的健康的需求增加我們多變了317億那省完以後多了306億也就是說刪除了11億 |
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1149.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
1178.415 |
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所以有自然難行的話向本院提出來文化部比去年少很多我們編了290億被31億動34億我要解釋動的那個理由我們無法解決所以他還是跟3億一樣那個部長本席在問的問題請你回答本席沒有問凍結請問刪除我們多多少億我沒有多變少啊 |
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1181.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1202.02 |
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文化部多了這麼多錢你要跟去年比啊跟去年比對啊我變少啊文化部怎麼會比去年少你講的話本席要特別把你留下來跟你請教喔今年的核列數比去年多了26億多你怎麼可以在這裡公然說謊呢文化部 |
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1206.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1235.757 |
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比去年多了26億如果你看不懂加減乘除本席再開一個課來教你好不好如果自然難行就向本院提出請回來 接下來環境部那個文化部本席會特別關心你因為你在這裡公然說謊本席會特別去請教 還去委員會找你明天本席還會再問你你再回去查清楚 本席明天還會再問你再過來那個環境部 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
1236.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1259.578 |
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包委我們反而是比去年減少兩億左右沒有關係你講的是事實那如果有自然來襲的話向本院提出可以嗎好是沒問題謝謝接下來請金管會國科會還有海委會金管會主委國科會主委還有海委會主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1268.331 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1284.661 |
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委員好我們監管會今年比去年預算多多少錢我們估計三減以後今年比去年多6500萬左右我們是算1億啦沒有關係那有沒有如果有自然難心的話可以向本院提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1286.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1310.676 |
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還有委會你們多少錢因為付款的高峰委員每一年付款額度不一樣今年是付款的高峰所以一定得增加而且還有新增的事項不能不做新增了43億我們在委員會跨黨派的委員都支持所以被刪掉的話我們的影響還很大至愛難行今天故意就是提出來至愛難行 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1311.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1321.46 |
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委員真的 知愛難行我們希望能夠恢復我回答了希望能恢復都付款的高峰喔哪一個不會不用付款請回好 謝謝在這裡亂講 滿口胡說八道不要用明帶的方式在這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1341.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1353.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
來 再來不要影響本席的時間來 再過來來 國科會今天比去年多多少錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1356.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1376.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
連三個園區多了差不多一百三十而已國科會比去年多一百三十如果有需要的話要追加還是這個有自在難心的話可以隨時向本院提出可以嗎可以謝謝主委所以來我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1385.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1413.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
請主席管制下會場的次序本席在這裡質詢請執政黨不要用這種惡劣的方式在下面攻擊我們請大家相互尊重今天很溫馨只要不要狡辯的本席都會很誠懇的來了解行政院到底有什麼問題現在我們今有早上 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1414.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1440.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
卓榮泰院長所提出來今年我們實際刪除的數字不是兩千零七十五億而是只有一千四百三十九億所以通過是兩兆九千九百八十六億接近三兆接近三兆可以說就是三兆啦如果有什麼自然來型的話本席剛剛已經請教各部會都可以向本院提出來都先可以向本院提出來那接下來 |
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1442.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1469.378 |
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我想我們總預算的部分已經講得很清楚了但是呢 本需要在這裡向你嚴正抗議我能不能先請問 你用的主計長竟然在過去所有朝野協商每一年執政黨 民進黨都要求我們統申一個數字多少趴過去就是常年的慣例那今年的統申 然後這個主計長說他排不出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1470.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1494.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
還不算保持在能力不足溝通協調都不足他可以來行政院溝通可以來立法院各個部來溝通各委會都會溝通從1月21號通過總預算到現在都沒有來所以呢如果不適任的話就應該要換人而且呢去年的GDP的成長才4.59% |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1496.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1522.191 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
但是今天我們剛剛一個部會一個部會的詢問幾乎啊大多的部分都超過10%的年度編列的預算所以啊我們不願意講國王的心意啊但是都已經戳破了現在本席就總預算的部分給左院長一個良心的建議不適任的部會首長要換掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1523.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1545.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
準備來這裡吵架的部會所長不是要來解決問題的時候把他撤換掉過去當過民意代表現在不是民意代表不要民意代表的鬥性在這裡回答問題本期問的問題很簡單但是不要用這種方式來回答如果這樣來回答的話以後啊內閣會不會很好待啦我們再來 |
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1547.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1575.711 |
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委員我能不能答覆兩個問題就好了本席沒有問你的問題所以不用回答本席現在請教可以對話現在本席問你的問題接下來問題可以回答總預算的問題讓我答覆一下吧你剛剛已經在這裡報告過了本席也一個一個不回詢問過了好來現在請教院長明天還有45分鐘回答問題明天是財務法啊沒有關係都一樣啦選前騙票選後跳票 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1577.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1593.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
賴清德總統 蕭美琴副總統一再的說要給花東人 包括蔡英文總統說要給花東人一條安全回家的路花東快曾經蕭美琴副總統在2020年跟本席競選立委的時候馬上通過了說要盡快來對這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1607.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1624.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
這個花東快要再一次做環評結果現在再一次做可行研究結果現在當選了就不算數了為什麼現在花東快又退回請回答委員應該知道我們對於蘇花 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1627.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1649.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
本席不知道才請問我怎麼會了解花了多少的心血在做蘇花安蘇花改這兩項工程蘇花安本席待會再問你請回答本席的問題為什麼我們首先要改善的從北部到花蓮這一段讓大家有一條安全回家的路所以這兩條路我們花了也將近3000億元那這個工程的持續進行 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1652.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1680.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
委員所關心的是花蓮到台東那花蓮到台東這一段我們會將來在審慎合理的時間合理的經費合理的施工方式以及地方之所需要那現在這個程序已經在交通部裡面反反覆覆的一再的來做任何的審議是不是請部長能夠說明本席現在報告委員本席沒有要你回答請不要讓不要請維持會場該有的資訊本席沒有請教你回答請不要回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1682.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1702.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
左院長 部長請回本席請教院長一個父母關要有父母親整個台灣西部密密麻麻的這種交通網絡東部是蔡英文總統 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1704.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1730.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
賴清德總統對人民的承諾選前一張臉 選後一張臉選前的承諾 選後就翻桌你剛剛告訴本席說還要看情況 逐步來做那你當時就應該來花蓮要選票的時候就講清楚以後還要慢慢考量立法院都做了決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1732.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1761.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
去年7月16號就通過花東塊要積極興建而且12年內要完成民進黨 科建平總召 吳士堯書記長通通都有簽字 幹事長都有簽字所以啊 為什麼給你們這麼多的總預算但是都不能用父母心啊來看整個國家的建設 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1762.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1780.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
所以呢 民進黨欺負花東人民 欺負很久了絕對沒有您剛剛說啊 什麼三千多億啊本席啊 什麼叫做蘇花改 蘇花恩三千多億蘇花恩通過了沒有 本席問你通過了沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1780.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1809.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
那這個通過了沒有回答本席的問題嘛不要狡辯嘛通過了沒有嘛時程都已經去確定了通過了沒有嘛時程確定以後他就會依照程序來通過時程通過了程序通過以後好本席上一次總諮詢你你告訴本席這個資料是錯誤的我們公文全部調出來完全正確的上一頁本席上一頁 |
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1811.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1823.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
本席再問你一次你可以再騙一次沒有關係蘇華改行政院 可行研究行政院99年2月8號核定101月9號動工11個月蘇華安108年12月20號核定現在5年了 |
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1834.898 |
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1858.547 |
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也不在交通部也不在國發會他們都審查通過了現在躺在您的桌上行政院長本人審議中五年了我不曉得行政院長左院長你有這個專業你可以審議啊是不是你有這個專業我還沒用不到一年的時間放在您桌上放了從出國發會到你這邊 |
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1861.485 |
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1887.567 |
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去年底就出國發會現在你還在審議當中你看一下這就是民進黨的效率108年12月20號核定到現在五年了五年了國民黨執政十一個月動工動工你現在還在審議如果歷任的院長都這麼慎重也必須慎重再下一頁把公文 |
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1889.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1913.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
你如果沒有看過行政院的公文 本席可以發給你沒有關係那你會不會汗顏 五年了東部人還說什麼三千多億 三千多億在哪裡你三千多億列出來給本席看 在哪裡不要聽人家立法院說謊 可恥的事情報告副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1915.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1926.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
就是公文都在這裡指責閣員說謊副院長應該制止一下好我們相互徵詐好我們繼續打起相互徵詐意義好不好那是一回事不是說謊的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1927.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1953.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
我會願意跟委員對話那委員不是敲桌今天不是第一次來詢問你總預算已經詢問過了今天你上一次你告訴本席我們都可以調錄調光碟出來看上次我本席的公文是錯誤的本席今天讓你看公文上次委員講的不只這一件就是這一件很多邏輯都不對調光碟就知道要不然我明天再放給你看你上次本席的資料錯誤所以啊 |
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1956.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1981.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
一個宰相一個閣奎有沒有一個父母關的心情你現在正式告訴花東人民花東快又被退了蘇華安不知下落花東快被退了而且花東快還是立法院三黨全部簽字的院會宣讀通過本席在這裡請教 |
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1983.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
2012.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
沒關你明天還可以回答我去年美式大花蓮那個談話都很愉快你都沒有說我們沒有很愉快的心情談話愉不愉快我在這裡也可以跟你很快樂也可以擁抱你都沒有問題只要你答應的事情花東人的建設你好好一樣樣去做過去院長審慎我必為你審慎讓整個國家的發展是均衡的必須東西平衡發展 |
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2015.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
2038.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
你的三千多億你今天花又留在這裡請你今天下班前把什麼三千多億交給本席你在這裡正式的詢問我們這個預計會花三千多億請你把這個資料送到立法院來送到本席辦公室明天本席還會請教你接下來來我們來看一下台積電加碼一千億 |
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2042.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
2070.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].text |
連之前的六百五十億總共一千六百五十億前後要蓋五座新的晶圓廠兩座的先進的封裝廠可以研發中心都設在美國三座晶圓廠連之前的六百五十億美金總共一千六百五十億美金五兆多台幣院長你於心何忍 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
2071.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
2080.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
把我們的護國神山搬到國外去了我們的戲盾從此破裂請問院長你同意這樣做嗎委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].start |
2086.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
2109.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
國內的產業是政府指向哪裡他就要到哪裡嗎還是政府說他不能到哪裡他就不能到哪裡他當然要進入我們的投審會進到投審會我們就會逐一審慎的來審議但是產業的全球佈局政府採取樂觀的態度但是要跟流台灣要以台灣領先為優先院長您剛剛提到投審會投審會過了沒有還沒過啊還沒過 |
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2112.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
2115.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
那都已經跟美國總統已經正式 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].start |
2117.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
2144.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
正式已經開過記者會了難道你認為說這個投資是假的嗎那他要經過我們投審會的審議符合我們的各種規定所以在跟川普總統台積電跟川普總統在宣布之前您知不知道台積電跟川普總統的談話他是國際布局的一部分但是國內當然知道啊您同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].start |
2145.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
2166.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
我同不同意我們樂觀產業界的國際部署我們樂觀產業界的國際部署我沒有資格說我同不同意不同意國家的政策我們的護國神聲還有你你樂觀你沒有同不同意的權利你是什麼來我們給他看一下你連相關的法令都搞不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].start |
2168.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
2181.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
國外投資有以下情況者主管機關得不予核准影響國家安全對國家經濟有不利的發展他如果不經過統審會他不符合我們的規定我們當然有權利啊現在覺得你同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
2184.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
2208.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
台積能美國投資你同不同意五兆台幣你同不同意我不是投審會其中的議員我能在這裡講我同不同意嗎但是一定要符合國家的法令符合投審會的規定店長 你要概括負責國內所有的政治經濟耶你要概括負責耶是嗎 那剛剛上一題我不同意這是我們的護國神山耶剛剛那個蘇阿快蘇阿快我不同意蘇阿快我不同意你贊成嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
2212.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
2232.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
可以啊 你可以說你不同意啊你可以告訴我們 告訴全國國人你說你不同意沒有關係 我不會像你這麼草率你可以公開講嘛 不要遮遮掩掩嘛過去的院長慎重 我就必須慎重院長 你把你心裡話講出來是嗎不是 我是請問你說所有東西都要我同意是這樣子嗎你就公開誠實告訴大家嘛依台灣所處的情況這會影響到我們多麼嚴重我們的護國深山 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
2242.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
2258.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
這是國民黨在台灣40年的血汗推動出來的台積電那你要我們鎖國嗎 完全都不能帶他出去嗎北京沒有說要鎖國啊我們最高科技的製程2奈米 1.6奈米都要去美國都要去美國我們沒有國家安全嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
2271.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
2286.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
沒有國家安全嗎?沒有科技製程的安全嗎?二種國際的佈局要保持台灣領先的地位關鍵技術一定是以台灣領先和研發中心要以台灣為核心我們要佔據這個關鍵生產鏈的地位這個關鍵地位 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
2291.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
2316.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
2奈米1.6奈米關鍵全世界最先進的技術都搬到國外去了那是幾年以後的事情有人知道嗎就算社產就算社產是幾年以後還是幾年以後的事情你認為幾年以後你不當行政院長是不是啊不是幾年以後才會幾年以後他才會量產在美國國家的規模Virgin是看整個幾十年啊什麼幾年以後 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].start |
2318.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
2328.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
什麼內閣啊所以院長我原本的意思是不能出去當然不可以出去啊全國國人同意沒有你這樣講話是代表中國政府嗎你這樣講話是代表中國政府嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].start |
2334.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
2344.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
我代表我們中華民國國會中央機構北京正式的告訴你北京是中央機構我代表中央政府我歡迎我們國內的廠商對全球的佈局 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
2350.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
2379.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
所以是同一台機電護國神山到國外去是不是要嚴守國內的要求請問一下這對我們上下游整個產業的出走空洞化有多大的影響你知道嗎我們希望它的隨時供應鏈能夠整體的發展國家整體的發展隨時供應鏈也要國家整體的發展好本席先來教育你一下什麼叫做 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].start |
2380.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
2409.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
國家政體的發展他們帶走的是五兆台幣還不夠他上下游一年GDP的產值是多少錢這個台灣是重創人才的出手本席現在告訴你那是以前大家台積電在台灣累積的成果不是你造成的但是今天出手是你們民進黨政府造成的本席現在告訴你 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].start |
2412.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
2432.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
我們佔全世界高階晶片生產的百分之九十以上只要台灣有安全危機這會影響到全世界的科技發展當然是台灣的保護 台灣的護國神山所以台灣人民說他是護國神山沒有聽過護國神山嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].start |
2437.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
2465.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
護國神山你不曉得嗎我們需要護國群山本席在這裡我們要建立護國群山本席再次的告訴你本席再次告訴你我們護國神山遷走了以後整個產業在地繳稅在地所有薪資發放的消費在地所有這些人才的流失 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
2469.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
2495.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
整個產業大幅出走台灣空洞化消費空洞化繳稅空洞化對整個產業的撞擊不是三月良宇能夠講得清楚本席在這裡再一次的告訴你那個部長您告訴公開告訴媒體說台積電去美國你不知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].start |
2497.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
2518.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
報告委員我是說他沒有送我們的投審會有沒有送投審會這件事情我不知道因為他沒有送所以我怎麼可能知道因為沒有送投審會所以經濟部長不知道不知道有送沒有送投審會 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
2521.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
2538.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
所以因為沒有送投審會所以你不知道那所以說要送投審會你才知道所以這件事情包括賴清德總統總太院長在整個台積電網美的過程當中你通通都不曉得 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].start |
2539.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
2557.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
我們當然知道啊怎麼可能不知道啊現在你又知道了不是啊你要看看前一天已經開了記者會大家都知道的事情怎麼可能第二天怎麼會不知道如果您是在這裡啊主管一國的經濟啊但卻是人頭的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
2561.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
2585.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
不知不覺還是後知後覺本席覺得你不如掛罐歸去把你的長才在我們商業界好好發展會得到更多的尊重不會像這個國家總統行政院長在做我們護國神山要崩山的事情都沒有先讓經濟部長了解所以本席在這裡深刻表達遺憾 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
2587.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
2616.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
部長沒有受到尊重真的沒有必要委員不必遺憾我們共同努力事情就會往好的方向一起努力就會往好的方向對於本席的說法你有什麼回應沒有我想這個委員的這個想法我們尊重啦但是這個這件事情我想你是充分的這個誤解你也不了解這個狀況你就下這樣的斷語我覺得非常遺憾這是你告訴全國國人的不是跟本席講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
2617.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
2639.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
來那個 卓院長護國神山的崩山又是民進黨政府在您的隔魁任內啊造成全國這麼大的一個撞擊我們的護國神山中華民國在台灣累積了75年的實力的護國神山今天終於啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
2640.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
2668.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
讓全國國人了解我們的卓榮泰卓院長說樂觀其成樂觀產業發展所以護國神山的出走我們看一看什麼叫經貿大戰什麼叫科技大戰當科技被掏空的時候台灣還剩下不是你說的奔山我樂觀其成請你不要用這個短影片在外面污衊中央政府所以你說怎麼樣你沒有樂觀其成是吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
2668.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
2684.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
我樂觀其成樂觀其成是他的全球佈局不是委員說的護國人山奔喪我樂觀其成委員不要用這個短片去外面污衊我們謝謝你謝謝卓院長你又樂觀其成了所以本席現在終於了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
2685.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
2705.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
我們國家的葛奎對於護國神山整個徹底把台灣出賣崩山連條件都沒有講就直接拱手把台灣75年來的努力全部送給大家送到國外去本席在這邊特別提醒總統派院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
2706.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
2715.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
就不用提醒 我們對國家的實力感不會比你差他一再的污衊啊 你們兩位在旁邊都無動於衷啊我最後還要謝謝兩位委員兩位委員在旁邊無動於衷 他一再的污衊嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
2728.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
2732.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
主席啊 他不斷地打斷我們本席的話本席在這裡就今天本席是和音樂社來詢問這個卓院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
2746.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
2746.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
好 我們時間到 |