| IVOD_ID |
158910 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158910 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
27 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-16T11:12:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-16T11:22:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:51 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e6909b4ca57c06121b60b65322e0781329ae781c7e1649b47f84d4c48a885b8561cd8283283c7cb85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:12:57 - 11:22:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第27次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家安全局局長、國防部部長、大陸委員會、國家通訊傳播委員會、交通部、經濟部、數位發展部、海洋委員會海巡署報告「針對海底電纜係國家對外重要通訊手段，為避免中共利用各種灰色地帶手段測試我國網路及電網韌性情事發生，如何建立有效備援系統以支援軍事作戰並支撐基礎建設防護韌性」，並備質詢。） |
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請蔡局長和副主委謝謝主席 委員好局長好 副主委好那請教一下這個具有中國背景的這個群衣輪那這次把這個我們的這個海底電纜把它切斷了把它破壞了那請問一下這算不算是一種灰色地帶的一個作戰 |
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這種行為樣態我們當然會歸類為可能的灰色地帶的一種侵擾的活動這個算嗎那問一下這個副主委 |
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那在你們報告裡面有提到說這個像是這個俄羅斯的這個影子艦隊的這一個這種形式是不是騷擾的形式嗎是因為我們比對跟這個俄羅斯在波羅的海北海的一些破壞行為確實是發現有一些類似之處好那就請教局長跟副主委了那既然是這個灰色地帶的作戰那也類似這一個是這個俄羅斯的這個影子艦隊那接下來要如何去做因應呢 |
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對這部分我們會建立一個即時的通報的機制那假如海嵐遭到損毀的話那由二十四小時的通報機制來請相關單位能夠來第一時間進行查處那第二部分就國安的角度來講我們還是希望能夠機先預警因為處理這些 |
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相關的案況的話它有不同的部分的處理有的是在進行營運安全狀態的監控跟24小時的通報那有的是在做執法的查處這包括海上執法機關海巡署的主要權責那就情報機關來講我們會希望能夠針對比較有可能造成這種揮帶侵擾的可疑的高風險的船隻相關的名單跟他的活動的軌跡可以來建立一個機制那一旦這些船舶進階到我們周邊海域就可以啟動相關的機制來處理 |
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那局長你說講的是之後要做的事情還是之前就有做的之前有做主要是針對中國籍的船隻那但是這一次的事件發生的是中國所謂第三國的權宜輪那委員也知道因為權宜輪一般在我們周邊海域初步來講我們都視為是無害通過 |
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所以在監控上確實機制沒有像過去針對中國的船舶的監控那麼的嚴密那這部分我們會來做一些所以未來是具有中國背景的權宜人你們會建立一個名單嗎對我們會來朝這方面來努力建立一個名單那只要他在我們的這個附近的這個海域或是說這個 |
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具有這個海底電纜的這個附近在比如說在那邊然後行跡很詭異那你們就會做這個預防對 但這部分因為權利輪的數量非常的龐大中國是全世界貨輪傳統國最大的國家那我們當然必須要針對比較高風險可疑的或是有過去這種為異常樣態的權利輪來做一些名單的管制好 那請問一下那過去 |
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看到你們報告每年有平均七到八次遭中國船隻迫害我們的海底電纜那請問一下有沒有求償過這部分應該要由相關的電信單位中華電信對 中華電信他們會跟海上執法機關來進行報案那有的也會再移送到地檢署請問一下有沒有求償過中華電信有嗎有求償過那數據咧我們在國內可能過來這邊回答 |
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來跟大家做說明講去年好了 去年有沒有求償過 |
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應該有但是還在進行中那我的理解是有求償成功的但是案件很少因為基本上剛才談到說的這個舉證稍微困難的那求償成功的有國內的也有國際的你把這個資料準備一下了解一下那到底這個具有這個權益輪然後把這個海底電纜破壞了那每次都是你們在出錢證做處理那到底有沒有求償那我們有沒有登船檢查過 |
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有沒有是不是請執法單位海巡署來做一些補充 |
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我給你補充報告就是在我舉例有求償過也有登檢過110年7月24四十三共和國武順霍倫他疑似在台門北門過斷天壇跑到北方海域我們桃園登檢把相關證據交給那時候還沒求償850萬元就一次有兩次兩次登檢我舉例 |
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台馬更多台馬我們更多那這部分我先跟委員報告這個案例就是球場成功那像去年台馬那個有球場嗎台馬的話另外後續都在持續在進行中那有上傳燈檢過嗎我們燈檢很多那但是剛才我舉例的是四川共和國這個是球場成功我們桃園縣也有派員燈檢好 剩下一點點時間我問一下這個顧部長 |
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來 部長 剛才講的都是外患 現在要講內憂你們的預算被凍結了18億 有關潛艦國造的部分部長你怎麼看 你要凍結18億 這會不會造成什麼樣的影響 |
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我想在外交官委員會我們已經有召開過會議了我們當時通過的這個案子就是說呢我們還是希望21能夠通過但是在主決議當中呢我們承諾等到海策通過之後呢我們才會予以動之那請問一下海策大概是哪個時候 |
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海策如果要完成預計要到九月到九月那如果說它可以動之的話你到九月才能用就對了對我們承諾就是海策通過以後才會動用 |
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那請問一下那如果這樣子會造成這個什麼樣的影響你們這個船廠的簽約款能夠付嗎你們裝備的付款能夠做嗎我們現在當然就是希望海車通過之後因為現在事實上台船已經在做一些前置作業了那我們會先跟台船簽約會兩艘的潛艦嘛 |
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那他就要跟他的次承包商來進行這些前置作業然後他也要備料那另外呢他可能會就這個船殼的這個部分來先行進行來維持他的這個能量不然的話人才會流失 |
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所以我們為了人才維持也希望淺建的21億能夠在海設通過以後就能夠動之但是重點是在於如果這個預算是能夠通過的話我想對整個國際也好特別對臺船也好那它建立後續的建的信心就會 |
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就會產生 那就會產生的話那下游的次懲罰商就會願意跟他進行簽字作業那再下來的話他整個的他可以先動用他的自有資金來進行相關的準備的一些作業我想這個部分對後續建造的期程的這個能夠會有一個相當大的幫助 |
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因為九月過了以後就等於下個會期我們已經過了下個會期的編列那我們等於沒有辦法編在下個年度那等於要再編到再後續的後年的下個年度而且這個時候對於後續建到底要不要繼續建造我想各國都在看這有可能是明年預算會沒有 |
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如果凍結沒有通過或者是刪掉的話那明年那就沒有辦法能夠維持住這一個後續建造的信心那你們的業務費也被凍結了70% |
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這個業務費凍結78幾乎是造成不可能運作因為這個作業維持費跟這個軍事投資相關的這個業務費用都是我們現在維持我們國軍的基本我們的戰力的一個重要的要素所以如果拿掉的話那這個78凍結 |
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如果以來講的話那如果到了五月那個時候還沒有開業那又沒有辦法進行解凍的這個部分的話那我想這個整個運作會受到相當大的影響那你們的無人機產業園區7625萬的預算全部被刪減無人機產業我想這是整個國家政策裡面的一環那就這個無人機產業我想現在也有相當 |
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就這個飛鴻供應鏈來看的話是具有相當大的一個喪跡那我們希望能夠在無人機產業園區裡面建立軍民通用的這個版本的一些公版這些公版如果能夠建置的話那這樣的話整個無人機產業再加入能夠打入國際的飛鴻供應鏈的話我想整個無人機產業對於我們國家未來的這個 |
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你這個是在委員會被刪減的還是這個二輪這個三屬動物被刪減的委員會應該是凍結20%吧我記得是這樣子吧應該是無人機產業園區全部7620萬全部都被三屬沒有現在是在委員會裡面是看一下 |
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委員會裡面是凍結了委員會決議是凍結20%沒有被刪除沒有被刪除但現在應該是國民黨黨團提案要選出全部都刪除嘛所以我覺得這個內憂比外患更可怕啦好 謝謝謝謝李坤城委員接下來我們請王定宇召委上台質詢 |