| IVOD_ID |
158895 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158895 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-19,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-15T11:19:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-15T11:27:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/427ddbb1724b1d1a3a08f99a73dca53c5a45ebd5c2e75318b9af4de1086944f15e656c1fa01693ff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴瑞隆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:19:43 - 11:27:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員葛如鈞等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等29人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員何欣純等23人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
六、本院委員邱議瑩等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
七、本院委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
八、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
九、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
十、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、本院委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
(第一案及第十一案如未接獲議事處來函，則不予審查)
【1月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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好謝謝邱昭偉請那個國發會的高副主委跟經濟部連次長先問一下副主委我先請教一下這個輝達的總部跟研發中心大家都高度關心據聞總部在台北研發中心在高雄是這樣嗎 |
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副主委就你掌握到的訊息對 那我想基本上就是輝達的總部會在哪裡那我們都會有說其實還是由他來做正式的宣布那基本上都在台灣其實對台灣 |
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整體都會有利對台灣當然整理好了不過我還是希望就是大家也高度關注就是說當然因為有些用電的部分不要用電在南部然後總部都一直落在北部這個其實長遠來說其實並並不那麼公平那我覺得其實當然我們希望他整個在台灣但是還希望如果在 |
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國發或經濟部能夠溝通跟說的上還是要希望持續鼓勵讓整個分散開來因為這幾年其實從輝達到AMD在高雄投資確實也相當多那我們希望持續的思考有時候也許他們的顧慮點是在於過去來慣性都在 |
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臺北啦 但是我是希望思考一下不要只有這種算力中心 當然我們還是爭取啦但不要只有算力中心 耗電量大的是在高雄我們希望總部這些也能夠往高雄來思考好不好 讓南北有更而且現在很多的群聚也都在高雄啦我們希望持續的溝通 持續的來協調 |
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委員放心 因為現在政府 因為市政的主軸就是均衡台灣所以我們六大的區域跟生活圈裡面其實全島都是很平這一點 老師我也要特別提醒這個高雄的電力是充分供應的包括秋瑞委員選區的興達 到我選區的大嶺到現在的不管是燃氣電廠 到汽機業都在進行都快速在推 所以高雄的電力是很充沛供應 |
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這個一定要讓更多的業界知道啦好不好不要只是設在北部但是南部供電我想這個並不是一個好的方案長期來說那個耗損跟風險都存在著那我們希望鼓勵更多的業者往南部去做投資好不好 |
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我想國際大廠他的資訊應該我們會給他充分的資訊他也會做正確的評估選擇最適的地點我都印象中那時候松湖連變電所都還不願意興建然後還發生了很多的問題你連不要說電廠連變電所市長可以講連變電所都不願意的時候後來發現真的沒電了不是沒電不是 |
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南部供電上來給你問題你沒有連變電所都沒有你電怎麼送進去所以我們還是呼籲說如果說要有產業來的話一定要當地要有充分的那個電力供應電是基本的大家都要用電產業用電民生用電大家都要用電但是要支持電力的建設對要支持電力的建設那市長我也問一下那總部跟研發中心有沒有機會到高雄來這個我還是 |
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也希望經濟部持續的溝通好不好不要只有用電或一些不論在南部還是要持續爭取那我再問一下次長那個高副主委先休息我問一下今年的水電會不會漲 |
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今年的水電因為在我們已經講說在過年期間這個東西都不會去調整那今年會不會漲因為還是要經過兩個有一個機制在有一個機制在會去充分的討論考慮到當下的整個經濟狀況還有民生的物價的狀況對因為水電漲其實都是一個大的問題都是一個大的問題要很謹慎省省來跟社會溝通包括我們的物價包括我們的這個各項指數能控制很好跟我們整個都控制很好是有很大的關係那 |
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那當然我要問的那如果像這樣台電好了啦政府的撥補聽說2000億也不給現在看起來好像是這樣2000億也不給那也不給你漲電價那台電後續的經營上會不會出現問題 |
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這個應該有不同的可能性啦因為如果是這個2000億確實是為了以前在壓低民生物價的時候去做出來的貢獻啦那當然我們希望說他們等於是由政策去決定他們啦照理說國際原物料價格增加你當然就市場機制你就是必須漲但是國家要求你穩定住嘛 |
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那如果說真的最後沒有的話我們還是要求台電在一些經營方面好好再去檢討會不會產生經營上的壓力跟問題會不會會內部有沒有評估過有有會不會有問題在應該是財務上會很困難財務上困難到什麼程度他如果要舉債他舉債上限應該 |
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剩下不多我可以請副總稍微說明一下舉債上限到了嗎再來虧損的話他會再加倍要不要說明一下台電說明一下跟副總報告齁他不但舉債這個會越來越多那利息也會相對增加所以他整個舉債的成本一定會相對的增加所以你們今年變如果政府也不撥給你也不讓你們漲變價的話那你們只有不斷的繼續舉債那會超過你們舉債上限嗎 |
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上限現在其實我們現在在舉債的同時就是來投標的其實已經越來越少以前都兩三倍以上現在已經快接近一倍也就是說我們現在舉債的有可能都是額度都已經沒有辦法額滿了那公司經營上會不會有問題我們一直在努力的維持台電的經營的穩定 |
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我還是希望經濟部門台電這些訊息還是要讓大家更清楚大家台電努力的我覺得台電是很優秀很多優秀的同仁那這些部分其實問題在於整個國際的能源包括國家的一些政策那其實大家應該理性來討論那你既不給他撥補你也不同意他調整那這樣狀況你要台電怎麼去穩健的經營我覺得這個還是要 |
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經濟部跟台電還是要不斷的對社會說明清楚我覺得這個才能理性來討論我個人是認為其實應該要給予合理的撥補讓整個這個經費那再來主席給我再一點時間我問一下那個台水的部分過去我曾經提過700億的部分來降低漏水率那我也看到了院長也很支持808百億那這個漏水率減了之後那這些經費的部分未來有沒有調漲水價的壓力 |
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因為這個跟那個水價是比較無關的啦這個等於是由行政院支持整個經費啦因為水價是31年沒有調啦那這個東西如果要動的話我們都會審視但是這樣的那個來做漏水這塊改善是確定要做的嗎這確定要做的我們希望加速改善啦因為你要再開發新的水源越來越難那從漏水反倒是比較好的方法市長謝謝 |
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好 謝謝請回座 賴委員長今天表現不錯 時間空調可以明天講接受消費資訊請議員認識 |