| IVOD_ID |
158891 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158891 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-19,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-15T10:53:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-15T11:02:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/427ddbb1724b1d1a3857c7c33236cb695a45ebd5c2e75318b9af4de1086944f117f2b9852dd2beff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:53:32 - 11:02:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員葛如鈞等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等29人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員何欣純等23人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
六、本院委員邱議瑩等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
七、本院委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
八、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
九、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
十、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、本院委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
(第一案及第十一案如未接獲議事處來函，則不予審查)
【1月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席有請這個經濟部的連次長以及財政部的理事長 |
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先問一下財政部的理事長因為剛才看了很少人問你請你講一下話這個今天審的是儲產條例產創條例其實最早從開始的獎頭獎勵投資儲產然後落入就一直改一直改一直給它減減減到目前為止 |
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經濟部所推動的所謂的獎頭也好 出產帖也好 產創也好等等的總共稅損多少 算過沒有我以為要從出產到從獎頭開始沒有這個數字我們現在手邊沒有這個數據手邊現在沒有這個數據因為我們沒有想到好 那我跟你講 產創經濟部出估大概800億 |
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這個不要讓你回答了 看下一頁去2023就在前年的時候總共核准了777件減免214億集中在電子業包括台積電、聯發科、聯友、聯電、日光、日月光、望虹、藍牙科 |
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就是這給我賺錢的有錢喔 你拼命再給他啦用國家的碼拼命掛給他們這樣這這樣對嗎 這這樣好嗎就是你們經濟部方這樣老是拿我們老百姓的錢這樣賭賭賭賭賭來給這些賺大錢的 |
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這個台積電賺這麼多錢 連電賺這麼多錢還要卡政府的油還要卡了這個700億 就從產窗來講800億裡面幾乎都是給這些那個 理事長啊 你敢要講下去啊從租稅公平的角度來講這等於是戒貧 戒貧戒貧戒戶啦是 謝謝委員這個產種條例就是戒貧戒戶條例啦 |
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報告委員基本上因為我們從獎頭時代到現在出產然後經過十年這麼多年的發展到現在產業創新條例其實基本上他的租稅獎勵的工具還有就是獎勵的範圍其實一直有因應我們整個國家經濟發展的需求我覺得重點不是在問您我是跟你強調你們強調 |
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今天所有的委員 立委提出來今天主席啊 當然我知道這個是為行政院排的啦主席都排的 你看立委都是排第10條之一增加AI進來啦 增加節能的啦那個沒有人反對了可是真的重點在22條 剛才陳昌明講得非常好啦 |
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二十二條這是一個一個等於類似晶片法案台灣晶片法案這是到底配合美國的請問連市長是不是那個理事長可以回去了是不是配合美國的進一步的管制我們的投資到中國大陸去技術到中國大陸去是不是 |
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報告跟委員報告那個投資大陸那有兩岸兩岸那個關係條例在處理那個會比這個更嚴格那這個是因應整個國際的情勢就是因應美國的要求嘛這個國際規範國際規劃嘛就沒錯嘛就是美國國際就是美國嘛重點在這裡啊各位整本法案重點在22條這裡啦就是管制啊前面實施的一段給你喔這樣多讚多讚給你這樣滴滴 |
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其實是一點點啦重點在管制啊管制沒有一個立委提出這個啦你們重點在這個地方啦我跟你補充報告就是說我們在這個執行過程中確實是有碰到有一些案子因為我們現在的法治不是很周全所以有發生了一些案子那這些案子其實是我們現在是15億以上才會去審查那它透過一些漏洞然後真的是對我們我們台灣真的是有一些影響 |
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譬如說譬如譬如說舉例Landmark Field舉例舉例一個譬如說譬如說哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個 |
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這個道道地地就是根據美國的屁股後面走的法案啦22條藏在這裡啦今天這麼厚一本就是22條就是進一步管制我們的對外投資你看喔特定國家都指的是中國大陸嘛特經地區就是中國大陸還有哪些地方 |
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你告訴我還寫哪些地方特定後面還寫什麼這些都是你們中央儲管機關來訂的變成你愛回歸就回歸不愛回歸就不愛回歸這個地方老實講是投資戒嚴啊是這樣子啊那個市長啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
325.216 |
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341.043 |
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人之將去啊我沒有說你是 你好好的啦 你健康啦你要離開齊炎也善齊炎也真啦齊炎也美啦齊炎也真 齊炎也善 齊炎也美我希望你講真話啦這個條例你是不是看得起你的專業你專業還是工業界 風電圈都是不要限制的 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
352.008 |
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違背你內心的 那個內心深處 你的專業 敢不違背 要三條A嗎?我們在制定執法的時候 一定會跟業界專門的請問你會不會感覺 有這種感覺 違和的感覺 沒有嗎?這在我們目前國際的一個情勢或國家發展國家的發展 就配合美國 來 我再請問你你年紀輕輕的為什麼離開啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
377.165 |
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不過委員我60幾歲啊60幾歲還沒到65啊還沒到65啊 年紀輕輕的啊像馬桶一個啊因為身體不合理身體不合理喔還是長官太兇我一天睡覺沒四點鐘長官太兇啊長官太兇 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
395.493 |
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403.22 |
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沒有 他對你不好他對你不好是不是他有沒有挽留你有有挽留我挽留幾次挽留好幾次好幾次 1 2 3 4 5 6 幾次 幾次啦挽留幾次N次啦N小於3我們本來在說老老在怕病 但是我真的是身體不堪敵我身體不堪敵 我不怕他會替我受苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
423.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
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請問你接多久我接了 如果到20到8個月啦8個月啊你接這個是假的啦這根本就是過個水就很清楚的 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
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主席啊剛才主席讓其他委員都解隔多一兩分鐘啦這個今天主席比較仁慈啦今天我看到這個我們智慧主席很仁慈我知啦但是如果你真的這麼想退你不會說8個月就走掉這其中必有鬼啦沒有沒有沒有完全沒有這些東西知不知道的啦對不對大家都在學校來的啦這一看就知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
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委員我不會做到你臨前燒香跟我說老闆知道就給你貼圖就好了 不可以這樣啊你身體好的人啊我不會做 我先貼這樣這樣就比較對 這樣比較適宜我好了這個八個月喔 這麼短的時間來 最後一點 你的專業川普總統說馬上要接總統了他說 方便是垃圾 你怎麼講 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
496.5 |
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514.589 |
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你同意不同意 你是封閉專家喔 你是封閉專家喔你講話很有 那個郭志輝講的叫做亂攻 他根本就不懂他說啊這個川普只做事你意向很大 他說垃圾怎麼講我只能說再生能源現在是國際的趨勢 他講封閉是垃圾你怎麼會 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
517.284 |
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539.994 |
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那是他個人的見解啦你尊重你不敢批評他你看到最後一點我明確的跟你講台電一千億的增值我已經寫提案砍掉全砍好不好這個是沒有意義的你們部長已經講他可以借錢就去借嘛好不好順從你們部長回去跟他講我意志非常堅定一千億一定要砍forge budget |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T10:53:32.342000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2025-01-15T10:53:33.102000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，有請經濟部的連次長，以及財政部的李次長。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
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2025-01-15T10:53:33.102000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T10:53:45.048500+08:00 |
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請經濟部連次長，財政部李次長。 |
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0 |
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連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2025-01-15T10:53:45.048500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T10:53:56.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
委員好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2025-01-15T10:53:56.995000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2025-01-15T10:53:59.656000+08:00 |
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先問一下財政部的李次長。 |
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0.818 |
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李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2025-01-15T10:53:59.656000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T10:54:00.656000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2025-01-15T10:53:59.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2025-01-15T10:54:05.519000+08:00 |
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因為剛才看了很少人問你，請你講一下話。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2025-01-15T10:54:05.519000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T10:54:06.519000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2025-01-15T10:54:05.519000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2025-01-15T10:54:18.626000+08:00 |
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今天審的是產創條例，其實最早從開始的獎勵投資、促產，然後落日就一直改、一直改，一直給它減、減、減。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2025-01-15T10:54:18.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2025-01-15T10:54:31.512000+08:00 |
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到目前為止，經濟部所推動的所謂獎投也好，促產也好，產創也好等等的總共稅損多少，算過了沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2025-01-15T10:54:32.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2025-01-15T10:54:34.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
委員要從促產到…… |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2025-01-15T10:54:35.474000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2025-01-15T10:54:35.974000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
從獎投開始，你們有沒有這個數字？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2025-01-15T10:54:36.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2025-01-15T10:54:37.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
我們現在手邊沒有這個數據。什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2025-01-15T10:54:37.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2025-01-15T10:54:39.596000+08:00 |
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手邊現在沒有這個數據，因為我們沒有想到委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2025-01-15T10:54:39.736000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T10:55:20.186000+08:00 |
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好，我就跟你講，經濟部粗估產創大概800億，這個不要讓你回答，2023年就在前年的時候，總共核准了777件，減免214億，集中在電子業，包括台積電、聯發科、聯詠、聯電、日月光、旺宏，南亞科等，就是這些很會賺錢的、有錢的，你拚命在給他啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.793 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2025-01-15T10:55:20.866000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2025-01-15T10:55:21.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
用國家的肉拚命割給他們，這樣對嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2025-01-15T10:55:21.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2025-01-15T10:55:21.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
這樣好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2025-01-15T10:55:22.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2025-01-15T10:55:37.753000+08:00 |
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經濟部這樣老是拿我們老百姓的錢這樣剁、剁、剁、剁，剁給這些賺大錢的，台積電賺那麼多錢，聯電賺那麼多錢，還要揩政府的油，還揩了700億，就從產創來的，800億裡面幾乎都是給這些，李次長，你要不要講兩句？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2025-01-15T10:55:37.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2025-01-15T10:55:38.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
從租稅公平的角度來講，這等於是劫貧濟富啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2025-01-15T10:55:38.554000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2025-01-15T10:55:38.994000+08:00 |
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是，謝謝委員，基本上…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2025-01-15T10:55:38.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2025-01-15T10:55:39.234000+08:00 |
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這個產創條例就是劫貧濟富條例啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2025-01-15T10:56:05.900000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T10:56:21.009000+08:00 |
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報告委員，基本上因為我們從獎投時代到現在的促產，然後經過10年、這麼多年的發展，到現在的產業創新條例，基本上它的租稅獎勵的工具還有獎勵的範圍，其實一直有因應我們整個國家經濟發展的需求…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2025-01-15T10:56:21.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2025-01-15T10:56:52.391000+08:00 |
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好，我今天的重點不是要問你，我是跟你強調，今天所有的委員、立委提出來，當然我知道這個是為行政院排的啦，今天主席都排……你看立委都是排第十條之一，增加AI進來了、增加節能，那個沒有人反對啦，可是真的重點在第二十二條，剛才陳超明委員講得非常好，第二十二條等於類似晶片法案、臺灣晶片法案，這是配合美國的……李次長請回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.819 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2025-01-15T10:56:53.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2025-01-15T10:57:03.304000+08:00 |
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請問連次長，這是不是配合美國進一步的管制我們投資到中國大陸去、技術到中國大陸去？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:03.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2025-01-15T10:57:03.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:04.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2025-01-15T10:57:12.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
跟委員報告，投資大陸有兩岸關係條例在處理，那個會比這個更嚴格，這個是因應整個國際情勢的變動…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:12.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2025-01-15T10:57:13.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
就是因應美國的要求嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:13.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2025-01-15T10:57:13.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
這是國際規範…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:13.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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2025-01-15T10:57:15.611000+08:00 |
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國際規範，沒錯嘛，國際就是美國嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:15.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T10:57:16.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
再來就是說，跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:15.831000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T10:57:16.031000+08:00 |
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重點在這裡啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:16.211000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2025-01-15T10:57:18.333000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
各位，整本法案重點在第二十二條這裡啦，就是管制！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:18.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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2025-01-15T10:57:35.983000+08:00 |
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前面第十條之一的部分都給你，說得有多好，讓你以為有甜頭，其實稅損只有一點點，重點在管制！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.436 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:36.423000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2025-01-15T10:57:40.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
沒有一個立委提出這個啦，你們的重點在這個地方啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2025-01-15T10:57:40.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:00.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我跟你補充報告，我們在執行的過程中，確實有碰到一些案子，因為我們現在的法制不是很周全，所以發生了一些案子，而這些案子，我們現在是15億以上才會去審查，它透過一些漏洞，對我們臺灣真的是有一些影響…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:00.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:01.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
譬如說、舉一個例、to name a few。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.176 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:00.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:01.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
譬如說有一些是用技術授權…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:01.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:06.182500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
哪一個嘛，你要講出名字啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:06.182500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:10.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
跟委員報告，公司的名字我們不能…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:10.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:15.379500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
怎麼不能講？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:15.379500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:19.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
「畫唬爛」！ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:19.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:20.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
這個道道地地就是跟著美國屁股後面走的法案啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:20.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:21.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
第二十二條藏在這裡啦，今天這麼厚一本，第二十二條就是進一步管制我們的對外投資。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:21.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:22.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
你看，特定國家指的是中國大陸嘛，特定地區就是中國大陸，還有哪些地方？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:39.913000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:43.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
你告訴我還有哪些地方，「特定」後面還寫什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:43.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:47.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
這些都是你們中央主管機關來訂定的，變成你們要讓他過就讓他過，不讓他過就不讓他過，這個地方老實講是投資戒嚴啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.66 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:47.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-15T10:58:47.661000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
是這樣子啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2025-01-15T10:58:48.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:04.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
次長，人之將去，我沒有說你是……你好好的啦，很健康，你要離開了，其言也善，其言也真，其言也美啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.763 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:04.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:05.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我還是要遵守體制啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:05.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:07.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我跟你說，其言也真，其言也善，其言也美，我希望你講真話啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:07.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:13.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
對於這個條例，以你的專業，還是認為工業界、風電圈都是不要限制的？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:24.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:26.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
你會不會覺得違背你的內心深處？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:26.429000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:27.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
你的專業會不會違背？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:27.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:29.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
第二十二條會這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:29.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:31.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我們在制定子法的時候，一定會跟業界充分的溝通。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:32.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:32.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
請問你會不會有這種感覺？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:32.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:32.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
就是違和的感覺，沒有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:32.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:33.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
這個在我們目前國際的情勢或國家的發展…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:33.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:33.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
國家的發展就是配合美國。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:33.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:34.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我再請問你，你年紀輕輕的，為什麼要離開？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:49.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:49.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
報告委員，我六十幾歲了。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:49.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:49.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
六十幾歲還沒到65啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:49.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:50.986000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
年紀輕輕，小毛頭一個啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:51.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:51.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
因為身體承受不了。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:51.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:51.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
身體承受不了喔？對！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:51.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:52.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
還是長官太兇？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:52.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:52.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我一天只睡不到4小時。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:52.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:52.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
長官太兇？什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:52.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2025-01-15T10:59:52.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
長官太兇？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2025-01-15T10:59:52.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:08.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
沒有，是我個人的因素。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:08.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:09.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
他對你不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:09.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:10.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
你們大家都誤會他，是我個人的因素。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:09.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:10.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
他對你不好，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:10.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:11.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
沒有，這絕對沒有，是我個人的因素。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:10.616000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:10.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
他有沒有挽留？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:11.156000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:12.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
有，有挽留我。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:12.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:12.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
挽留幾次？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:12.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:12.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
挽留好幾次。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:12.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:12.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
好幾次，1、2、3、4、5、6，幾次？ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:12.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:12.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
挽留幾次？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:12.818000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:12.878000+08:00 |
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N次啦！ |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:13.078000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:13.338000+08:00 |
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N小於3。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:13.338000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:14.338000+08:00 |
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我們部長一直跟我說：留下來打拚。 |
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0.214 |
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連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:14.199000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:14.659000+08:00 |
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但是我真的身體承受不了，如果我身體承受不了…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.6 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:14.659000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:22.298667+08:00 |
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不是這樣啦！ |
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0 |
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連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:22.298667+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:29.938333+08:00 |
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我的妻兒會替我受苦啊，雖然要為國家打拚，但我還是要照顧家庭。 |
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0.222 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:29.938333+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:37.578000+08:00 |
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不然你當初就不要接，結果你接多久，請問你接多久？ |
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0.286 |
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連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:37.578000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:37.938000+08:00 |
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如果到2月是到8個月啦。 |
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0.778 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:37.959000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:38.339000+08:00 |
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8個月，你接這個是假的啊！不是…… |
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0.75 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:38.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:00:53.369000+08:00 |
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這根本就是過個水，就很清楚的……主席…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
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連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:53.369000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:54.369000+08:00 |
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我擔任公務人員…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:53.849000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:56.551000+08:00 |
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主席，剛才主席讓其他委員都多講一、兩分鐘，今天主席比較仁慈，今天我看到志偉主席很仁慈，讓我多講一分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:56.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:57.551000+08:00 |
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我擔任公務人員36年了。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:56.571000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2025-01-15T11:00:56.751000+08:00 |
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我知道啦！ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2025-01-15T11:00:57.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:00:58.392000+08:00 |
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但是如果你真的這麼想退，你不會待8個月就走掉，這其中必有鬼啦！ |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:58.412000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:59.112000+08:00 |
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沒有，完全沒有！啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:59.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:00:59.412000+08:00 |
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大家都知道啦，對不對？ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:00:59.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2025-01-15T11:01:00.213000+08:00 |
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大家都是內行的啦，這一看就知道！ |
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0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:22.425000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:28.348000+08:00 |
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委員，我不能做到倒下，你們再來靈前燒香、再來跟我說早知道就讓你退休就好了，不能這樣啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:28.828000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2025-01-15T11:01:29.449000+08:00 |
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沒有，你身體好得很啊。 |
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0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:29.629000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:30.289000+08:00 |
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我就要趁現在還沒倒先退，這樣才對，這樣才是為我好啦！ |
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0.391 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:30.389000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:30.529000+08:00 |
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8個月這麼短的時間。 |
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1 |
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賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:30.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:01:31.750000+08:00 |
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最後一點是你的專業，川普馬上要接總統了，他說風電是垃圾！ |
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0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:31.890000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:32.030000+08:00 |
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你怎麼講？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2025-01-15T11:01:48.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2025-01-15T11:01:49.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
你同不同意？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:49.841000+08:00 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:50.942000+08:00 |
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你是風電專家！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:54.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:01:55.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
你講話很有…… |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:55.324000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:56.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
川普會講這句話…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:56.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:01:59.065000+08:00 |
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郭智輝講的叫做亂講，他根本就不懂！ |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:01:59.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:02:03.528000+08:00 |
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他說川普只做4年、影響有限，川普說這是垃圾又怎麼講？ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:02:03.528000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2025-01-15T11:02:05.709000+08:00 |
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我只能說再生能源現在是國際的趨勢，每一個國家都在推動…… |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.64 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:02:05.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:02:06.589000+08:00 |
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他講風電是垃圾，你怎麼回？ |
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0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2025-01-15T11:02:09.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2025-01-15T11:02:10.124000+08:00 |
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那是他個人的見解。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2025-01-15T11:02:10.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:02:11.905000+08:00 |
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你尊重，你不敢批評他。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
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2025-01-15T11:02:11.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:02:12.905000+08:00 |
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他個人的意見。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:02:12.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:02:26.651000+08:00 |
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最後一點，我明確的跟你講，關於台電1,000億的增資，我已經寫提案砍掉、全砍，這個是沒有意義的，你們部長已經講他可以借錢，就去借吧，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
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2025-01-15T11:02:26.871000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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2025-01-15T11:02:30.733000+08:00 |
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順從你們部長，回去跟他講，我意志非常堅定，1,000億一定要砍，否則表決！ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.821 |
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2025-01-15T11:02:31.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:02:44.375857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
主席（伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員代）：謝謝賴士葆委員，也請經濟部、財政部兩位次長回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.065 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2025-01-15T11:02:44.675857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2025-01-15T11:02:47.247286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
現在有請邱志偉委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2025-01-15T11:02:47.547286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2025-01-15T11:02:52.404429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
謝謝主席，有請連次長跟國發會高副主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
主席 |
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2025-01-15T11:02:52.704429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2025-01-15T11:02:54.990143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
請連次長、高副主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2025-01-15T11:02:55.290143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2025-01-15T11:02:56.290143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2025-01-15T11:02:56.590143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2025-01-15T11:03:26.304429+08:00 |
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保險業有很多資金受到相關的規定限制，沒有辦法有效投入新創產業，在國內的相關投資標的比較少，大部分放在國外，國外又會有很多匯兌損失，所以怎麼樣能夠充分運用這些保險資金，特別是導入新創事業，這部分國發會或者經濟部有沒有具體看法？ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2025-01-15T11:03:26.604429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2025-01-15T11:03:45.747286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
報告委員，其實保險業要投入到新創大概是從VC或PE，關於VC這一塊，其實我們國發基金有匡列給不同的部會，今年增加了兩個百億基金，一個是AI、一個是…… |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2025-01-15T11:03:46.047286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2025-01-15T11:03:48.047286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
那是特定產業嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2025-01-15T11:03:48.347286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2025-01-15T11:04:10.347286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
對，特定產業，那還有一般性的產業，就是我們長期已經匡列給中小企業處，還有一些策略性製造業跟策略性服務業，基本上這已經滿多年了，然後我們還有綠色成長基金，這也是綠色的新創。 |
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| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2025-01-15T11:04:10.647286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T11:04:34.075857+08:00 |
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我的問題是說，以目前的這個金額來看，我們有30兆的保險資金，但只有350億投資國內創投，跟國外的水準差很遠，所以你怎麼樣用制度性、用政策把這些保險業的資金提高，能夠達到1,000億投資到創投市場？是！ |
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| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2025-01-15T11:04:34.375857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T11:04:45.804429+08:00 |
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基本上我們還是要借重VC或PE，那VC這一塊我們除了鼓勵保險業，因為保險業有很多自己…… |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2025-01-15T11:04:46.104429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2025-01-15T11:04:48.675857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
我認為太過保守啦！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2025-01-15T11:04:48.975857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2025-01-15T11:04:56.690143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
因為政策太保守，你沒有辦法開放，他只能去投資國外的這些債券。 |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2025-01-15T11:04:56.990143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2025-01-15T11:05:03.275857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
所以我們這次產創條例裡面有增加對於VC這一塊。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2025-01-15T11:05:03.575857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2025-01-15T11:05:07.004429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
對，我是針對保險業這些資金。 |
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| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2025-01-15T11:05:07.304429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2025-01-15T11:05:08.304429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
我知道！ |
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| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2025-01-15T11:05:08.604429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2025-01-15T11:05:15.175857+08:00 |
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所以這部分很可惜，資金那麼多卻沒有辦法好好地使用。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2025-01-15T11:05:15.475857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:05:23.761571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
我想委員有提醒我們，我們到時候再來跟金管會看看有什麼獎勵措施。 |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2025-01-15T11:05:24.061571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2025-01-15T11:05:26.347286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
特別用在新創嘛。是。 |
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| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2025-01-15T11:05:26.647286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:05:46.361571+08:00 |
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第二個問題請教我們對新創的定義，國發會引用創業天使投資方案是未滿5年；如果按照經濟部中企署的新創事業登記原則是未滿8年；那最後的院版是用國發會的版本。 |
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| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2025-01-15T11:05:46.661571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2025-01-15T11:05:51.518714+08:00 |
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我想請教次長，你覺得用5年還是8年比較好？ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2025-01-15T11:05:51.818714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:06:07.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
你看8年是最多的家數，5到8年的新創家數最多，將近快2,600家，是所有新創族群裡面最大的比例，所以你規範5年，對他們而言沒有實際的幫助。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2025-01-15T11:06:07.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2025-01-15T11:06:20.975857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
跟委員報告，我們就是要鼓勵他去做投資新創，我們是從投資面去看，所以我們那時候才會引用國發會的5年，其實…… |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2025-01-15T11:06:21.275857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2025-01-15T11:06:25.561571+08:00 |
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你自己中企署也有新創事業認定啊。 |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2025-01-15T11:06:25.861571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:06:36.718714+08:00 |
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對啦，因為新創後面到第8年一般來講比較趨於穩定成熟，我們是鼓勵他投在比較前面的階段。 |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2025-01-15T11:06:37.018714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2025-01-15T11:06:39.875857+08:00 |
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所以8年你們能不能接受？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2025-01-15T11:06:40.175857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:06:57.890143+08:00 |
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用8年的話，你看，你用日本、英國的經驗來看，只有日本是未滿5年、還有未滿10年，它有不同的新創標準，所以折衷8年我覺得是可行、可以去思考，業界也這樣期待。 |
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| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2025-01-15T11:06:58.190143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:07:12.761571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
這個部分如果下午要審查法案的時候，我們希望能夠用這個版本、折衷用這個版本，我想國發會應該也可以同意吧，高副主委？ |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2025-01-15T11:07:13.061571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:07:25.918714+08:00 |
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基本上VC到8年就會出場，所以5到8年就像次長說的，是比較成熟期的階段，那我們這個立法的本意應該是鼓勵…… |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2025-01-15T11:07:26.218714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-15T11:07:29.647286+08:00 |
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你那時候制定是2年，對不對？對。 |
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0 |
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邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2025-01-15T11:07:29.947286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:07:39.375857+08:00 |
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新創產業的環境有很大的變化，存活率是很低的，對他們支持的年限必須要增加。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
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2025-01-15T11:07:39.675857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:07:45.390143+08:00 |
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是，所以這次已經調整到5年了，因為立法的本意啦。 |
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0 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2025-01-15T11:07:45.690143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
1 |
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我覺得不要兩、三年之後又要修法變成8年，所以一步到位我還是覺得比較好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
高副主任委員仙桂 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2025-01-15T11:07:54.847286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:07:55.847286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
好，OK。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2025-01-15T11:07:56.147286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:08:06.718714+08:00 |
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第三點，關於投資門檻的部分，我的修正版本是個人維持50萬；如果是法人股東的話，可以到300萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2025-01-15T11:08:07.018714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2025-01-15T11:08:12.447286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
這部分高副主委或者是連次長的看法怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
連次長錦漳 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2025-01-15T11:08:12.747286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:08:21.604429+08:00 |
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這部分我們內部跟財政部有再討論，如果是法人的話，其實我們現在有很多…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2025-01-15T11:08:21.904429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:08:25.047286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
那是要李次長來回答嗎？是！ |
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邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2025-01-15T11:08:25.347286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:08:30.490143+08:00 |
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李次長，如果增加一個法人到300萬，這個可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2025-01-15T11:08:30.790143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:08:53.075857+08:00 |
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報告委員，其實法人現在已經很多優惠了，他有投資所得不用計入所得課稅；他如果處分的話，還有證券交易所得免稅；另外，我們現在營利事業所得稅的稅率只有20%，而且實質有效稅率只有14%。 |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2025-01-15T11:08:53.375857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2025-01-15T11:08:55.661571+08:00 |
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所以你們還是覺得…… |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2025-01-15T11:08:55.961571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2025-01-15T11:08:59.390143+08:00 |
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對，所以我們是覺得法人部分…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2025-01-15T11:08:59.690143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2025-01-15T11:09:01.690143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
不要再增加法人？ |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2025-01-15T11:09:01.990143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2025-01-15T11:09:10.561571+08:00 |
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對，法人部分似乎不需要再額外給他多餘的獎勵，因為事實上已經足夠了。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2025-01-15T11:09:10.861571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2025-01-15T11:09:18.575857+08:00 |
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另外，關於抵減的上限，個人如果到800萬的話，對稅會不會有什麼影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2025-01-15T11:09:18.875857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:09:26.875857+08:00 |
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報告委員，這次我們修正也把300萬提高到500萬了，其實也是有呼應創投的…… |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2025-01-15T11:09:27.175857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2025-01-15T11:09:30.318714+08:00 |
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500萬是重點產業啊，不是所有。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2025-01-15T11:09:30.618714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:09:50.333000+08:00 |
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對，畢竟……委員也知道，如果把金額提高，真正適用、享受到這個租稅優惠的就是所得非常高的人，因為我們一般的所得稅率最高40%，如果現在提高，對他來講，節稅的效益太大。 |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2025-01-15T11:09:50.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2025-01-15T11:09:52.918714+08:00 |
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對稅會不會有影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2025-01-15T11:09:53.218714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2025-01-15T11:09:54.647286+08:00 |
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會有影響啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2025-01-15T11:09:54.947286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
1 |
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2025-01-15T11:10:03.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
因為個人的所得稅負馬上就降低了，而且降低的幅度是相對比較大的。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2025-01-15T11:10:03.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2025-01-15T11:10:10.390143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
沒關係，其他問題我們下午逐條審查的時候再來討論，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
李次長慶華 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2025-01-15T11:10:10.690143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2025-01-15T11:10:12.404429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
謝謝委員，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2025-01-15T11:10:12.704429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2025-01-15T11:10:16.418714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
謝謝邱志偉委員，也請次長回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
主席（邱委員志偉） |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2025-01-15T11:10:16.718714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2025-01-15T11:10:19.861571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
下一位質詢請伍麗華委員。 |
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0 |