| IVOD_ID |
158891 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158891 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-19,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-15T10:53:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-15T11:02:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/427ddbb1724b1d1a3857c7c33236cb695a45ebd5c2e75318b9af4de1086944f117f2b9852dd2beff5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:53:32 - 11:02:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員葛如鈞等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等29人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員何欣純等23人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
六、本院委員邱議瑩等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
七、本院委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
八、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
九、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
十、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、本院委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
(第一案及第十一案如未接獲議事處來函，則不予審查)
【1月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席有請這個經濟部的連次長以及財政部的理事長 |
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先問一下財政部的理事長因為剛才看了很少人問你請你講一下話這個今天審的是儲產條例產創條例其實最早從開始的獎頭獎勵投資儲產然後落入就一直改一直改一直給它減減減到目前為止 |
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經濟部所推動的所謂的獎頭也好 出產帖也好 產創也好等等的總共稅損多少 算過沒有我以為要從出產到從獎頭開始沒有這個數字我們現在手邊沒有這個數據手邊現在沒有這個數據因為我們沒有想到好 那我跟你講 產創經濟部出估大概800億 |
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這個不要讓你回答了 看下一頁去2023就在前年的時候總共核准了777件減免214億集中在電子業包括台積電、聯發科、聯友、聯電、日光、日月光、望虹、藍牙科 |
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就是這給我賺錢的有錢喔 你拼命再給他啦用國家的碼拼命掛給他們這樣這這樣對嗎 這這樣好嗎就是你們經濟部方這樣老是拿我們老百姓的錢這樣賭賭賭賭賭來給這些賺大錢的 |
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這個台積電賺這麼多錢 連電賺這麼多錢還要卡政府的油還要卡了這個700億 就從產窗來講800億裡面幾乎都是給這些那個 理事長啊 你敢要講下去啊從租稅公平的角度來講這等於是戒貧 戒貧戒貧戒戶啦是 謝謝委員這個產種條例就是戒貧戒戶條例啦 |
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報告委員基本上因為我們從獎頭時代到現在出產然後經過十年這麼多年的發展到現在產業創新條例其實基本上他的租稅獎勵的工具還有就是獎勵的範圍其實一直有因應我們整個國家經濟發展的需求我覺得重點不是在問您我是跟你強調你們強調 |
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今天所有的委員 立委提出來今天主席啊 當然我知道這個是為行政院排的啦主席都排的 你看立委都是排第10條之一增加AI進來啦 增加節能的啦那個沒有人反對了可是真的重點在22條 剛才陳昌明講得非常好啦 |
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二十二條這是一個一個等於類似晶片法案台灣晶片法案這是到底配合美國的請問連市長是不是那個理事長可以回去了是不是配合美國的進一步的管制我們的投資到中國大陸去技術到中國大陸去是不是 |
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報告跟委員報告那個投資大陸那有兩岸兩岸那個關係條例在處理那個會比這個更嚴格那這個是因應整個國際的情勢就是因應美國的要求嘛這個國際規範國際規劃嘛就沒錯嘛就是美國國際就是美國嘛重點在這裡啊各位整本法案重點在22條這裡啦就是管制啊前面實施的一段給你喔這樣多讚多讚給你這樣滴滴 |
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其實是一點點啦重點在管制啊管制沒有一個立委提出這個啦你們重點在這個地方啦我跟你補充報告就是說我們在這個執行過程中確實是有碰到有一些案子因為我們現在的法治不是很周全所以有發生了一些案子那這些案子其實是我們現在是15億以上才會去審查那它透過一些漏洞然後真的是對我們我們台灣真的是有一些影響 |
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譬如說譬如譬如說舉例Landmark Field舉例舉例一個譬如說譬如說哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個哪一個 |
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這個道道地地就是根據美國的屁股後面走的法案啦22條藏在這裡啦今天這麼厚一本就是22條就是進一步管制我們的對外投資你看喔特定國家都指的是中國大陸嘛特經地區就是中國大陸還有哪些地方 |
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你告訴我還寫哪些地方特定後面還寫什麼這些都是你們中央儲管機關來訂的變成你愛回歸就回歸不愛回歸就不愛回歸這個地方老實講是投資戒嚴啊是這樣子啊那個市長啊 |
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341.043 |
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人之將去啊我沒有說你是 你好好的啦 你健康啦你要離開齊炎也善齊炎也真啦齊炎也美啦齊炎也真 齊炎也善 齊炎也美我希望你講真話啦這個條例你是不是看得起你的專業你專業還是工業界 風電圈都是不要限制的 |
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違背你內心的 那個內心深處 你的專業 敢不違背 要三條A嗎?我們在制定執法的時候 一定會跟業界專門的請問你會不會感覺 有這種感覺 違和的感覺 沒有嗎?這在我們目前國際的一個情勢或國家發展國家的發展 就配合美國 來 我再請問你你年紀輕輕的為什麼離開啊? |
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377.165 |
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380.486 |
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不過委員我60幾歲啊60幾歲還沒到65啊還沒到65啊 年紀輕輕的啊像馬桶一個啊因為身體不合理身體不合理喔還是長官太兇我一天睡覺沒四點鐘長官太兇啊長官太兇 |
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沒有 他對你不好他對你不好是不是他有沒有挽留你有有挽留我挽留幾次挽留好幾次好幾次 1 2 3 4 5 6 幾次 幾次啦挽留幾次N次啦N小於3我們本來在說老老在怕病 但是我真的是身體不堪敵我身體不堪敵 我不怕他會替我受苦 |
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請問你接多久我接了 如果到20到8個月啦8個月啊你接這個是假的啦這根本就是過個水就很清楚的 |
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主席啊剛才主席讓其他委員都解隔多一兩分鐘啦這個今天主席比較仁慈啦今天我看到這個我們智慧主席很仁慈我知啦但是如果你真的這麼想退你不會說8個月就走掉這其中必有鬼啦沒有沒有沒有完全沒有這些東西知不知道的啦對不對大家都在學校來的啦這一看就知道 |
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委員我不會做到你臨前燒香跟我說老闆知道就給你貼圖就好了 不可以這樣啊你身體好的人啊我不會做 我先貼這樣這樣就比較對 這樣比較適宜我好了這個八個月喔 這麼短的時間來 最後一點 你的專業川普總統說馬上要接總統了他說 方便是垃圾 你怎麼講 |
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496.5 |
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514.589 |
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你同意不同意 你是封閉專家喔 你是封閉專家喔你講話很有 那個郭志輝講的叫做亂攻 他根本就不懂他說啊這個川普只做事你意向很大 他說垃圾怎麼講我只能說再生能源現在是國際的趨勢 他講封閉是垃圾你怎麼會 |
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那是他個人的見解啦你尊重你不敢批評他你看到最後一點我明確的跟你講台電一千億的增值我已經寫提案砍掉全砍好不好這個是沒有意義的你們部長已經講他可以借錢就去借嘛好不好順從你們部長回去跟他講我意志非常堅定一千億一定要砍forge budget |