| IVOD_ID |
158888 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158888 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-19,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-15T10:43:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-15T10:53:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/427ddbb1724b1d1a94155011535bc7f25a45ebd5c2e753184204766f4a2623bd844353fb8ddf334f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:43:47 - 10:53:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員葛如鈞等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等29人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員何欣純等23人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
六、本院委員邱議瑩等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
七、本院委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
八、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
九、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
十、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、本院委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
(第一案及第十一案如未接獲議事處來函，則不予審查)
【1月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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首先有請我們經濟部連次長 |
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今天我們是討論產狀條例的修正及延長 |
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那根據經濟部的報告說交市產業雙軸的轉型再來就是增加新創募資的機會第三項避免關鍵技術的外領由原先來的投資體檢項目裡面有智慧機械5G支通的安全現在又新增了AI產品及它的服務範圍 |
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還有節能減碳那這裡面對於家事產業雙軸的轉型還有增加新創募資的機會在原則上本席是非常支持及讚賞但是避免關鍵機制的外流這一點工業總會裡面對這一點也都抱持著一個懷疑那市長你從產業 |
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工业及产业发展史这一路经过来你应该都很了解台湾的产业那这里面你们谈到为了保护关键的基石及维持产业的竞争力第22条修正的重点聚焦对外投资的管理范围对外投资的管理会除了投资达一定的格度 |
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應市區申請核准外也針對的投資於特定國家或地區特定國家或地區及特定產業或技術等情形需市區申請如果將主管機關認定影響國家安全影響國家經濟的發展得令其 |
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撤回投資,這嚴重啊我不知道我們現在何必打我們台灣像川普一樣我們可以發布國家經濟緊實狀況 |
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美國那個大國家他們掌握世界上他們軟體技術很好什麼東西都一直在限制我們台灣是小企業除了台積電現在人化科自己打拼出來可以跟高通相比了幾個企業有這樣的實力自己研發出來我現在不知道他們請我來問什麼叫做特定國家什麼叫做特定區域 |
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你们一直为了资讯跟我们讲 |
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什麼是特定產業或基礎其實我自己發明的如果照你們這樣萬一我曉得這個在講地緣政治臺灣是秀的地方大家要去探局還有一定的經驗我希望你這個要定義的很清楚什麼樣產業才會影響國家的安全經濟你們這要跟我們講清楚不然很多工商真的人心惶惶要倒數也不敢去倒數 |
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世界的生意那麼大我講真的話歐盟都有偏見覺得他們機師都比台灣好台灣的價格又賣不高去到那邊他就又賣不高歐盟的機師價格非常高那台灣是靠這樣到特定地區去打拚去賺錢我相信很了解這個流程但是這幾個定義你能不能解釋清楚好 |
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各位網友報告,這個相關的我們會在執法裡面授權執法來定那所謂的特定國家地區其實 |
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因為這個戰略性高科技講明白這是中國大陸嘛日本咧 美國跟你要你敢不給他台積電那麼大的公司乖乖就要去報導了我們不要講得那麼好聽嘛現實的狀況嘛特定77在那個戰略性高科技豁免管制的這樣的公司這還不夠特定啊 什麼叫特定的產業那因為這個有國際規範什麼叫特定 |
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順頌為之你們設這個願意應該要再送出來給立法院再討論跟工商業再來討論一下好不好我們在訂定這個執法的時候會跟這些工商業者 |
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會密集的來討論這個東西在定議前會送到經濟委員會讓我們看一下我希望真的要尊重台灣人很可憐耶是很怕病耶是人物人質類要貪那些情緒苦苦辛辛的在那裡停滯啊好不好好再來我請市委部啦那個誰啊市委部還有國安會啦國安會高副主委 |
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我相信你們增加的產品新增加的就是智慧AI產品及服務還有一個節能減碳我今天為什麼把三個叫起來你看我們經濟部裡面有技術處有工研院 |
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有我們的產業發展史,現在就是世衛產業史,我怎麼會突然把它調到世衛部去?其實這個世衛的產業跟我們所有的產業是息息相關的 |
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所以我今天為什麼請國務部到副支委你也在國務部很久我是一個大膽的建議啊不然這樣摸不著頭緒摸不著頭緒要找一台單位副局局會迷迷糊糊啦我是講真的啦你會變成多頭馬車 |
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所以我今天大膽建議你國防部真的要有作為把世衛部的世衛產業史掛到經濟部裡面再成立一個史這樣產業發展史、世衛發展史計時次公園院剛好結為議題大破大立不要因循於傳統世衛部你不要抵制你世衛產業史裡面在這邊才能給你真正的發揮 |
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當然未來的AI產業它所發展的各種跟文化什麼都會改變了很多這是關鍵性的時刻人不要因習傳統某些企業就要來等一下要找到思維部等一下要找到思維發展使用技術處我是建議 |
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回去也轉來一下,國發會也要有大膽作為你們的劉志偉我覺得頭腦很新在國外管理單位顧問公司當過董事長算非常有經驗我是今天看到這樣大家說得很高興很高興你沒有統一的領導沒有這樣一個系統的治理會做不好 |
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尤其AI和智慧的產品硬體的時候以後都會變成鴻海市場你經濟部包括國安會你說要發揮我們AI那個邊緣運算的產業等於是我們的軟體台灣在這個時候要加強軟體才能永久利益不敗之地啦考慮一下對我的看法怎麼樣國慧你講講好啊 智慧部要不要講 |
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你不好意思講對不對你實在很想過來經濟部這邊才覺得做起來有Power有行動力來國外會主任您看法怎麼樣第一個我想謝謝委員的建議您的建議因為主委回國我一定會跟他轉資不過其實AI的技術其實進展得非常快它適用的範疇跟領域也變動得非常的大那當然我們 |
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各部會的執掌必須要因應這個新的實在技術的轉變再來做調適那我想委員的意見我們一定會審慎的考慮跟考量那務必要發揮跨部會協調的縱效啦不要因為有時候分工不明確導致有一些事情延長所以我對你們這樣的想法 |
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548.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
563.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我覺得統一的話在一個地方聯絡開會方便部門看這位講得很好聽你們的國外會是做這個協調真的要改變啦好啦謝謝啦你們不去改變我們也沒有關係啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
564.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
576.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我跟妳說 總是為台灣好 改變就要改變我們把它改變好不要讓這些企業這些人家要研發創新的都有一個統一的創口找的對象比較好找 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |