| IVOD_ID |
158881 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158881 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
29 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-15T10:03:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-15T10:20:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/427ddbb1724b1d1aac6a4e4733e628ef1cb09e2058dd4a024204766f4a2623bd064411f9f51987335ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:03:02 - 10:20:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議（事由：邀請司法院、法務部率所屬相關單位列席就「司法訴訟實務上關於預防性權利救濟之適用」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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我想先請教我們副秘書長卓院長1月9號說根據司法院的統計憲法訴訟法當中人民申請的案件超過99%對不對 |
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那我向司法院索取的資料顯示 自憲法法庭111年1月1日上路到113年底 申請案件一共是7254件 其中7127件是人民申請 大概是98.25 |
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行政院舉這個數字我覺得他想要講的東西很清楚啦他說憲法法庭停擺對人民影響很大七千件的案子看起來很多但我想請教一下司法院人民向憲法法庭申請的終結案件裡面受理的比例大概是多少這七千件我告訴你啦好不好這也是你們給我的數字 |
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總共有6716件終結其中只有211件有受理判決36件實體裁定1件並案174件換句話說受理率就是3.14%直接被裁定的不受理的高達6307件人民申請案佔98%但人民申請案有94%是不受理的 |
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那我再想請教 機關申請案終結實踐裡面有幾件受理您不知道我再告訴你 數字錯誤再更正我 也是你們提供的八件啦 受理率高達八成我要跟大家講 |
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我們民進黨卓榮泰喜歡拿人民的申請件數99%來說憲法法庭是人民的守護神但從數據來看他打槍94%的人民不受理而對於機關申請就80%就是受理 |
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這樣差距我覺得99%的人民有沒有辦法接受為什麼憲法法庭這個時候在他們來講好像非常的急迫需要做所謂的預防性的救濟然後要開一個巧門來去針對立法院通過的法律想要來搞一個比暫時處分更偉大的暫時處分這我們後面再講就是拿人民當藉口那接下來我再想請教一下我們副秘書長 |
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請問司法院 憲法法庭如果說停擺兩個月會影響到多少件申請案我請那個廳長回答好嗎 可以請 |
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因為我們審查庭是如常運作所以有關於不受理的案子我們是可以繼續進行如常運作 我先跟你講 你們有411件還未結的 |
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然後呢 受理率3.14%你剛剛講的還可以繼續受理啦總共大概就是13件左右那一般來說這按照過去你們的受理率來看的話有高達386件就是被裁定不受理時間推估的話憲法法庭上路受理的是278件平均每月7.72件而且大部分是病案 有174件是病案所以真正作出判決是36件 |
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我這樣數字沒錯吧 判決是51件沒關係 每個月判決大概是一點多案那我要跟你講 你知道按照我們限訴法的新制當大法官的提名沒有被通過的時候 總統要在多少期間內補足提名按照這次的三讀修正條文是兩個月 |
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兩個月能夠影響的案件大概三到四案 三到五案啦我剛剛講以受理的情況來講 受理率算進去但這個部分可能還要考慮國會同意的時程沒關係啊 國會同意時程每一個月再加兩個案子嘛 再加兩個案子這是所謂講的影響 好 那接下來我要告訴你我想請教你 你所謂的預防性的救濟 要預防什麼 |
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副秘書長 要預防什麼針對我們今天憲法訴訟法通過今天要去採取所謂預防性權力救濟比照預防性權力救濟 是要預防什麼預防那個權力在將來可能受到侵害什麼樣的權力受到侵害啊什麼樣的權力受到侵害 答不出來啊 |
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我們今天執政黨今天這個所謂的他愛怎麼樣去決定我們憲政就怎麼決定憲政這個權力受侵害嗎是什麼權力受侵害包委員剛才講的是那個一般的就是因為好啦那我問你下一個問題好了急迫什麼請問急迫什麼我直接幫你講啦民進黨的邏輯就是說憲法法庭會被癱瘓啦要預防憲法法庭被癱瘓啦這政治問題我不為難你不回答啦 |
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那我想請問 擊破什麼在擊破什麼 擊破憲法法庭會被癱瘓嘛 對不對我看不到別的理由啊 只有這個理由啊說憲法法庭會被癱瘓 所以要預防被癱瘓啊我還先不講 到底說能不能準用行政訴訟法啦我還先不講這一塊 我只講這個部分他預防所謂憲法法庭被癱瘓那我就要問 擊破性在哪裡 |
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剛剛聽長已經回答了先訴法新制總統幾個月內要提出提名單幾個月兩個月兩個月啊那急迫是什麼在下一口就要請教您喔真的那麼急迫的話那我想請教今天劉靜儀大法官的被提名人你總知道是被誰否決的吧被誰否決的 |
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被民進黨否決的啊被民進黨否決的啊所以照民進黨那種奇怪的邏輯為了大法官今天不要被癱瘓真的該究責是愛清德啊不是嗎現在大法官現在有剩下多少位大法官在任幾位 |
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目前是八位 八位嘛按照新制憲法訴訟法幾位就能開庭審理法案了十位 十位嘛 差幾位兩位 兩位啊你賴清德要嘛就怪賴清德你提名一個連民進黨都沒辦法接受的劉靜儀還是基本要怪就怪民進黨劉靜儀是事任的結果民進黨因為他劉靜儀罵民進黨結果就把他否決掉 |
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郵寄一進去 八個就變九個 只剩一個囉 只剩一個囉兩個月提一個我就舉個例子啊 兩個月內如果你提的是宗嘉賓 抱歉我也沒辦法接受 我一定投反對票啊但是如果提你王梅依搞不好我考慮啊 不是嗎 |
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我要的不是什麼了不起啦我要的是中立啦只要你做到中立你不要偏頗你有法學素養你的積極資格符合今天大法官提名資格你就有可能通過啊可是今天你要搞到說憲法法庭會被癱瘓你要跟我講有急迫性問題罪魁禍首是誰罪魁禍首是誰你一定答不出來來我們請我們次長來答是國會嗎 |
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還是民進黨 民進黨為什麼要把劉靜儀推翻掉你告訴我 你也當過民進黨的黨員啊你代表民進黨參選過立法委員啊你也當過立法委員啊你現在跟我講為什麼民進黨要推翻劉靜儀大法官的任命是在癱瘓大法官嗎這麼急迫欸 兩個月不能等欸你們竟然還把劉靜儀弄掉你民進黨可惡嘛市長我這樣講對不對啊 |
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我想這個投票的時候各黨團都有決議啊對啊 非常好就你民進黨有投進去啊所以找藉口找到什麼藉口連什麼預防性救濟都拿出來當藉口你這要預防是預防今天民進黨濫權戴興德獨裁啊這才該預防的啊大法官要不要去預防一下啊你真的講急迫那你就把戴興德抓出來嘛 |
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我們慶德總統這麼急迫欸那你好好提名一個人你不要提名到連你民進黨都不能接受的人那今天大法官就過啦 十個人就滿啦就能夠開會啦不是嗎賴慶德今天好好提名好好提名再兩個他要提名七個 只要兩個再兩個兩個月內大法官人數就滿了 |
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不是嗎我再請教副秘書長我想請教您我實在是不懂今天這個所謂的到底預防誰 擊破誰是不是預防今天民進黨濫權還是今天擊破賴清德不提四任的大法官人選你等個兩個月 三個月等不及沒辦法等 |
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我覺得今天你們大法官如果接受這個所謂預防性的救濟的申請你是瞧不起賴清德你是已經知道賴清德不會提出讓人民接受讓多數民意接受的大法官人選嘛你根本瞧不起所以你才會說今天如果今天我不把這個新的憲法訴訟法推翻的話大法官就會被癱瘓癱瘓不會被癱瘓的怎麼會被癱瘓 |
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大法官怎麼會被攤換賴清德再提兩個人 民進黨不要打臉賴清德就結束啦大法官就可以繼續審案啦我就問秘書長嘛如果今天賴清德再提七個人有兩個被同意了 請問大法官能不能開會了其實大法官現在是可以開會 當然只是不能做緊急處分跟所謂不能做違憲的審查而已嘛 對不對不能做違憲判決 以新法來說嘛 對不對 |
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那我就問嘛 只要今天兩個月內賴清德提了兩個 只要兩個 七個提兩個是在野黨一起商量 覺得中立不是黨議大法官通過了 請問十個人是不是就滿了符合最低的十個人答對了嘛 就可以開會了嘛沒錯吧 你看我們副部長我跟妳講副部長這種態度就是正確的賴清德趕快提名你啦 好不好 |
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真的啊 你不要提名宗家兵 提名你機率大一點那最後我要講什麼 我要講就是今天就像說秘書長 你們司法院曾經考察過傑克的憲法法庭嘛 對不對他們的那個大法官人數多少 幾個15個嘛 他們最低出席人數幾個 |
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10個嘛10個嘛然後那個門檻違憲審查門檻幾個9個嘛跟我們現在憲法訴訟法一模一樣你們所考察捷克法院你們的結論是借盡捷克憲法法庭的對不對 沒錯吧你們報告有這樣寫的喔 沒錯吧 |
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你上次有來這邊練習耶你的報告有這樣寫你不會不記得吧這記性這樣子不對喔沒錯吧正確用語我沒有辦法記得借盡捷克憲法法庭嘛這個我們那天質詢整天的重點你跟我講現在精確用語你用不出來你把報告調出來那我就要問下一個問題啊那天鍾嘉賓死不肯讓你回答的問題我今天直接問你 |
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你講那個捷克有配套嘛對不對是你說兩個月內必須行使同意權嘛對不對行使同意權是今天要投票同意跟不同意嘛對不對兩個月內嘛是這是他們國會的職權對啊但是沒有規定說今天兩個月要投票同意不同意是兩個月內我規定非投同意不可嘛對不對不是吧 |
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同意權行使是可投同意可投不同意國會的權利嘛 對不對謝謝你啊那我就要問一件事情如果今天捷克的總統提阿狗阿貓對不對阿槍阿什麼就是一些奇奇怪怪的人提大法官進來然後捷克的國會說不行欸你這樣子提我們真的沒辦法接受欸刷掉結果因為刷掉捷克的憲法法庭剩下八個人 |
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這叫癱瘓憲法法庭嗎你認為這個癱瘓責任是算給捷克總統還是算給國會今天如果捷克總統提一個阿狗阿貓就是黨議大法官結果國會說不行我們代表的名義不能接受啊憲法法庭因為不滿十個人照你剛剛講也不能開會嘛 對不對那請問癱瘓責任是國會還是今天總統在捷克來講我告訴你是總統 |
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是總統 兩個人你都沒有辦法得到 你提兩個公正的人都做不到同樣的 如果捷克總統補題的人 捷克的法院再同意了兩個他在法庭就能夠開會 有癱瘓問題嗎 沒有癱瘓問題今天我就問副秘書長 我們在憲政設計 大法官是誰提名 |
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有總統提名誰同意國會立法委員那為什麼要立法委員同意這是那個權利分立答對了嘛 權利分立嘛我們代表民意嘛我們是人民一票一票選出來的嘛所以我非常反對過去曾有大法官說大法官不用理民意你認為大法官不用理民意嗎不需要嗎 |
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大法官是超脫於民意之上 行走在人世間的神嗎 是嗎如果是這樣 這個憲法條例直接廢掉大法官不需要立法院同意要需要立法院同意就是希望說今天大法官不能夠不死人間煙火那同樣回到還是最根本的問題啊 |
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那今天賴清德如果民進黨立法院你是多數行政立法多數一致的時候當然你愛提誰就提誰我們也沒辦法這人民決定的可是當立法的多數跟行政的多數行政的總統是不一樣的時候他才會今天有今天我們憲政這個設計嘛 |
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所以回頭還是要強調一件事情少拿憲法法庭攤換這件事如果憲法法庭真的攤換是因為賴清德你就堅持要用黨議大法官你就堅持不肯提兩個今天跟立法院多數民意商量的大法官你再兩個月提出來 |
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就沒有今天你們民進黨說什麼癱瘓的問題那我這邊要鄭重的拜託跟勸告我們大法官沒有急迫性哪有急迫性預防性的權益救濟申請對不對你要有一個預防的標的那預防誰預防爛性的爛權才對啊第二個是要有急迫性急迫是什麼 |
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如果你認為今天這個書法通過之後大法官永遠不能開會你是對賴清德最大的玷污你就認為賴清德就是一個不顧名義強悍然後霸道的總統他一定不會提出一個讓人民滿意讓今天多數同意的兩個大法官人選你憑什麼大法官做這樣的預判啊預判賴清德的預判嗎可以這樣嗎 |
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所以真的 民進黨搞出這種權力救濟 預防性權力救濟就是憲政的笑話一場 謝謝 |