| IVOD_ID |
158877 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158877 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-19,20-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-15T09:57:17+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-15T10:05:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/427ddbb1724b1d1af1d740fcda6047e25a45ebd5c2e753184204766f4a2623bd5e42fc9f2fe0e8b55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:57:17 - 10:05:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟、財政兩委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查：
一、行政院函請審議「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二、本院委員葛如鈞等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
三、本院委員林岱樺等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案。
四、本院委員楊瓊瓔等29人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
五、本院委員何欣純等23人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
六、本院委員邱議瑩等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
七、本院委員蔡其昌等18人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
八、本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
九、本院委員謝衣鳯等16人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一及第七十二條條文修正草案」案。
十、本院委員邱志偉等20人擬具「產業創新條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、本院委員鄭正鈐等19人擬具「產業創新條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案。
(第一案及第十一案如未接獲議事處來函，則不予審查)
【1月15日及16日兩天一次會】） |
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請聯視長請金吾聯視長委員好市長 要過年了喔 給大家好好過年一下最近傳那個水電都要漲 這個你們有明確講不會嗎 |
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有確定喔有確定過年不會去啦過年也不能隨便去喔那個一定要經過一個審慎的一個評估完之後經過一個審議委員會去通訪去檢討過年已經不會去過年也不能隨便去好不好要讓大家好過年那是說只要尤其是電啦只要電一漲那個萬物起漲過去三年已經漲了五次了人民真的太苦了好不好想辦法不要想辦法不要漲所以今天啊 |
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你要退休了我們這位來想我們一起來找不要漲電價的方法好這位來催這位來催我幫你找到一個很重要的蔡英文啦蔡英文總統他有提到電價在十年內不會大漲他講了三個理由來看看他講啊地雷只要落實節能就是省電啦使用效率增加了就不需要多繳電費啊 |
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這個你們做了嗎這個落實我們現在推深度節能已經深度節能齁省多少電等一下給我一個報告我們今年從北匯到現在這樣齁我們省了差不多將近11億好 次長你退休錢給我你們省了多少電齁等一下他說啦你2000階段啦價格雖然是高但是說 |
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它是2016年說的 但是它說兩個重點它說只要科技是會進步的規模擴大以後 成本自然就下降了奇怪喔 科技真的有進步啊 對不對你們買綠電 規模會擴大啦可是價格沒有漲 來我給你看一下來我統計啊 為民國100年 110年到115年 來給你看一下 |
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再生能源這個過電的這個價格110年90.79那時候平均單價是多少4.69到113你看看你那時候價格從4.6反而跳到5.46你買這個綠電的這個錢從426億到113年跳到1311億跟蔡英文講的完全不一樣 |
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市長 地雷科技有進步嘛 對不對 地雷量確實有像蔡英文講的 你們買的量是有增加嘛 對不對可是價格一直在漲啊 這出什麼事情因為這個後來是 因為那個前面是光電 後面是離岸風電啦所以兩個是不太一樣的所以地雷 人民看到就是避岸嘛 |
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第二個就是你們整個設計上為什麼會越來越高沒有達到他做的嘛第三個他要講一個理由他說未來會修改電力法讓廠跟網提高並且提高台電的經營績效讓電價更為合理這個你們沒有做吧沒有做對不對因為現在我們有提一個 |
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那個電力法要來修正 因為整個經濟情況改變 還有能源結構改變喔如果你看 蔡英文以前說電不會大漲啊 對不對你們就是三點 看起來第一點可能做了一部分 可是做的也不夠啦你想 去年水電費 中央政府就開80億 今年變成100億啊你哪有省電 對不對 所以看起來三個都跳票喔 |
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所以你要去想辦法去把這三個第三個可能你們已經做不到的你們又要修法又要倒貼路啊可是你要去想一想當初為什麼當總統的會提出這樣一個讓電不要漲可以參考嘛好不好好來我們再繼續來想辦法我相信經濟部跟台電一定做了很多改善的報告對不對我問你一下從2016年到現在 |
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台電有幾年它的稅務盈虧啊是呈現虧損的一百 |
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216年開始 幾乎每年都虧損對不對剛開始2016可能要好一點點 後來動越來越大發委員其實在二五戰爭之前台電還是有盈餘的所以五二戰爭之前是有盈餘的嘛那後來我們也三度撥補 讓你漲的電價該漲的啊到今天還在虧 其實不是五二戰爭啦就是基本上 我相信台灣人民所有人都知道第一就是你從最廉價 |
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你核能不用嘛第二你去買綠電的時候買的太貴跟一幣案嘛現在的事這個等下大漏洞把它補起來你就會賺錢了啦好來 第一個進一步問台電為2016年開始寫過幾次改善公司體質還有營運績效的有關報告這個大院這邊都有要求啦這個可能要回去查幾次這邊可能有一百塊有了嘛第三點其實很重要你寫了一百次以上的報告 |
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你主要的改善項目是哪些?有哪些是重複的?看旁邊有哪些是有改善的?有具體成效其實你只要從裡面去你以前提出來的計畫真的有改善有績效你就不會了解啊你怎麼從敗家子變成金雞母變敗家子又上不來對不對好所以今天我明確的要求請台電請台電 |
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提出一個全面性具體的改革計畫書,其實沒困難的,我剛才說那幾點啦你從106年到現在,最重要的一百次,去把以前真正你覺得你要做沒有做的,或者是你做的有績效的,把它整理出來,好不好?你當初世界金融風暴的時候,那時候美國聯準會說過一句話,他們說像花旗一樣,大大不能倒的公司,台電也是一樣,大大不能倒的 |
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我們會給你 我們可以救你一次可是不能夠給你再犯的機會我們人民跟立法院已經給台電多少次的機會了至少撥補三次了嘛 三千億了啦你現在還要拿一千億不算啦 不算啦台灣民眾黨做了決定不會有這一千億了好 更重要的 |
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所以不只要提出一個通盤檢討我們在談進一步談怎麼避免虧損再次出現現在發電輸電配電跟售電的這個四大部門請每個部門四大部門都把它列出來第一個當前的虧損情況是怎麼樣子那你要去追第二個虧損的原因第三個你未來預期虧損會在什麼地方第四個基於整個能源開始在轉型你有開始做一些重大建設嘛你的影響是什麼這四個另外 |
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在這個四大部門裡面要分別針對目前的虧損原因跟未來可能虧損要擬定一個對策出來拿一個具體改善的這個里程碑包括什麼台電你本身的本身還有供給面啊需求面跟市場面四個面向要做一個檢討另外最好相關的報告跟做法請三個月內好不好 |
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送到立法院來老蔣要趕快去做啦我剛才為蔡英文一開始蔡英文提的這三個點你們作為一個參考第二個我今天提的都是非常具體的從整個通盤的檢討到整個避免虧損的好不好請要做而且每集要做成檢討做成一個具體的成效我們分起來分起來達成這個目標好不好好 謝謝委員往前 議員 市長恭喜你要退休了你之前建立那個歷練平台大家是抱歉你有歷史上的定位有貢獻我們都是說 |
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台電這幾年 從一個金雞母 不英帥的模範生被每年都要去撥補 要漲價 人已經是名念非常深的希望你最後還有機會 人在公民老休閒多幫他們台電的員工們 我知道台電那邊都是辛苦的 水準也是高的好不好 我們會給你掌聲跟支持可是我剛剛講的 我剛剛提的都是非常具體的好不好好 謝謝我們這兩部分 包括不要再虧損 還有整個計畫 |
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三個月內要給我好不好那這位農爺希望又回到以後的模範生殖經濟模不要再一直只有撥補跟浪費這個一直在上電廠謝謝 |