IVOD_ID |
158871 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158871 |
日期 |
2025-01-15 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-29 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
2 |
會議資料.會次 |
29 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2025-01-15T09:31:53+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-01-15T09:47:13+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:15:20 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/427ddbb1724b1d1a6119914a16b6cd1c1cb09e2058dd4a023641ee913381949d6283ac1051a9c2f15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
委員發言時間 |
09:31:53 - 09:47:13 |
會議時間 |
2025-01-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第29次全體委員會議(事由:邀請司法院、法務部率所屬相關單位列席就「司法訴訟實務上關於預防性權利救濟之適用」進行專題報告,並備質詢。) |
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主席我尊重召委的主持所以我在台下呢跟主席表示也沒有按麥克風完全尊重主席的才智我也沒有動用權宜問題程序發言按著麥克風講了二三十分鐘那至於剛剛的發言者講多少時間因為您是主席您同意我就沒有意見那我自己呢我會盡量的來遵守在立法院本來就是一個互相尊重的場合好謝謝總統謝謝 |
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接下來我們在場已經沒有委員先進了列席的政府機關首長官員會長工作夥伴媒體接任女士先生有請司法院的王副秘書長還有書記廳的楊廳長以及法務部的黃次長黃次長首先副秘書長不好意思要注意因為 |
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有委員常常會提醒他的發言全國人民都在看那第二個呢請教一下方便的話回答一下個人的問題您參加過論文的口試嗎就是學術論文的口試學位論文的口試是的在德國在德國其實呢在台灣的教授們當你論文口試的時候標點或者湊別字你都不要去 |
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說要辯駁就承認就對了尤其是有學術背景當過教授的委員特別會希望您是就論文審查的規格來回答他的詢問那第三個呢也是有點個人啦您覺得未來自己有沒有可能成為大法官 |
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有可能不一定但有可能不排除這個可能個人沒有這個志向沒有這個志向但是也有可能假設有照一日那如果有照一日你成為大法官的時候要時時記得這個政黨的主席會雙標代理黨主席會雙標 |
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那他會要求你過去跟現在跟未來言行必須一致到時候萬一您擔任大法官那您的過去現在的答詢雖然只是一個法律上的見解也會拿來做引用您有記住了嗎 |
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那接下來呢,我不做法律系大三以上的課程的教授我只做一般公民法感上他的理解現實生活中他遇到的法律問題我請教那個黃次長,看起來你應該比較常看電影,我不曉得你有沒有看過湯姆克魯斯的這個關鍵報告 |
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很久以前有看過看過 有印象吧後面兩位有沒有印象我們比較輕鬆一點 有沒有印象有沒有看過 都沒有那我就問黃次長 他們都說沒有這個當中呢這個Tom Cruise他本來是一個受國家的執法機關的人員 |
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他們這個當時的科幻片的情節呢是有個先知可以偵測出人的犯罪意圖可以預知未來的犯罪結果因此如果他預知張三有犯罪那麼這個特勤呢就會在他犯罪之前予以逮捕或獲刑大概是這樣吧是您覺得在哲學上這樣的做法一個人還沒犯罪之前因為預知他會犯罪先把他抓起來這個在哲學上有沒有問題 |
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因為這個是科幻電影所以事實設定的條件跟我們現實生活中不太一樣就是必須說這個預知的犯罪是必然會發生的不做事前的逮捕 不化挽救所以如果預知一定會成真預告的情況一定會發生 那就要及時阻止在那個設定裡面是沒有蓋然性的問題 |
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是 是這樣子但是人為了自己沒有犯的罪去坐牢這個就有點奇怪了啦我那時候在看點是想不通但是我們刑法上是不是有類似的規定 |
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委員在螢幕上所顯示的這個是新訴法101-1條的預防性羈押的規定他是怕你跑掉啦是不是 說再犯罪啦 怕你重複犯罪這個主要不是反討 怕重複犯罪怕連續殺人 連續縱火 有必要嘛所以因為他前面有一個犯刑了所以足以讓我們支撐 為了預防他下一個連續犯刑我們把他終止 把他預防 是這樣嘛 |
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好 那再看下一個其實我們台灣是熱帶氣候不過這兩天好冷如果在溫帶國家如果沒有暖氣的供應那是會要命的假如說有一個住戶客戶他跟他的天然氣瓦斯公司有爭議有欠繳的費用公司要給他斷氣但是他說這個今天太陽下山會冷死所以他說這個繳費的爭議先不能夠給我斷氣 你覺得 |
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在民事上有沒有類似的一個措施可以來防止這個情況或判理這個情況民事上的損害預防有沒有類似的類似的規定這個我也是要講這個沒關係就你的理解因為我們只是說生活上假如說我們很冷結果跟公司有繳費的爭議他要給我斷氣我呢會怕凍死所以我說這個不能先給我讓我去討論說到底我有沒有欠他錢不能馬上斷 |
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對 所以我想委員可能是要指出秘書法246條在外情不適合是 OK 好 所以你們的主張就是類似我看到這樣的見解這是在司法院跟法務部的見解 來往下看來 請教副秘書長其實今天呢 我的個人的見解是這樣法律三讀後已無改變可能啊所以應有預防性權利的救濟適用好 那我們現在不談法律系的大三的課程我們來看一看最近的歷史 請看 |
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這個憲法法庭的職權是不是包括這六項違憲審查政黨的違憲解散統一的解釋法律命令還有機關爭議總統副總統談判地方制的保障是不是掌理這些事項是的那這些事項是不是很核心的就是保障人民的基本權利是的 |
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同時要維持一個憲法機關的權力分立的原則包括政府 中央跟地方 是不是是很好所以憲法法庭不要以為只有政黨在關係政黨的利益他關係人民甚居我們看一下憲法訴訟法到憲判一一我之前在 有沒有詢問過你自己產生侵害財產權違憲一個女童因為她父親過世了 |
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他的後母呢 跟他的其他的子女拋棄繼承之後結果他只繼承了150萬 卻要繳570萬的遺產稅那麼 胡平長 你對於憲法法庭這個判決不問違憲您覺得對人民的權利有沒有得到保障有 有重大保障那如果說今天這個案子還在審理中雖然我們現在預知審理結果是這樣假設在審理當中 現在憲法法庭不運作了是不是這個 |
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小女孩她就要去繳這570萬對她來講5700萬的一個損害會發生 |
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所以憲法法庭對人民是非常至關重要的我們再往下看所以本次憲法訴訟法將可能會讓憲法法庭的全部職權受到影響 |
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包括什麼 我們的憲法輸送法第30條 第234項它同時呢去含設了43條的暫時處分的裁定75條的宣告彈劾的成立以及第80條的正常解散那是不是這樣子所有的憲法法庭涉及到這6種功能如果目前有8人未達10人門檻這些案件是不是都會受到影響 副局長你的看法呢要注意喔 有可能有一天你會當大法官喔會不會受到影響 目前的狀況會不會受到影響 |
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就是這六個是不是都會受到影響可以請廳長說 你有機會當大法官 |
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跟委員說明就是根據我們統計到昨天最新的數據我們目前的未結案有440件你已經跳題了我看下一題來是不是這樣就是目前為止未結案有430件這個是到去年年底那目前最新的數字未結案是440件440件又多了6件這當中人民申請的比例高達95%其中146件已經受理了 |
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受理就是要排案去審理對不對如果憲法法庭停擺 這些人會不會受到影響如果憲法法庭沒有運作當然好 那我們來看一下還有誰受到影響呢 最近的案例高雄案件已經申請釋憲了 將庭審到憲判出爐是不是這樣子 副秘書長您覺得是不是所了解這個案對 他有裁定停止是 所以來 黃市長 |
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這個案子涉貪案嘛 目前地檢已經提起起訴了那麼目前高昂案如果停止整理他是不是持續一個無罪狀態因為他還沒有判決確定 對嘛那如果無罪狀態 他要參選2026他目前為止就沒有新的案件事件發生的話他是以目前的狀態他可以繼續參選的 是不是這樣 |
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這個可能要由內政部到時候 到中選會那時候來做這個審查是 但是以目前如果沒有其他案件以他現況只有這個案件的話這個案件如果是無罪那沒有其他案件的話那他是可以繼續參選的這個案件只能說還沒判決權對 還沒判決權好 OK 好 謝謝另外還有一個案件 來 那個次長 |
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政黨違憲解散難以執行 目前我們看到了新聞報導危害國家安全的反滲透法的 總統副總統選罷法的兩岸條例的 八岸十一人都是統促黨目前內政部說要查處 申請解散目前有沒有收到內政部的申請來請聽 聽長有沒有收到目前沒有收到內政部的那如果收到了以後可不可以審理 如果目前的狀態下 |
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呃 能不能審理這次審判事務所以我們就不方便說了好 那我很清楚好 我們來看一下所以說如果憲法法庭癱瘓停擺誰受益誰受害很清楚啊政黨受益啊 |
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統促黨可以免於解散啊還不急著解散啊社攤的市長民眾黨社攤的市長 停審啊依照現在狀況可以繼續參選啊但是如果以那個憲判11號以判的萬一他那時候還沒判出來他叫無辜的女孩背負五千七百萬的遺產稅擬制稅制還有喔112去年前年啦現在是前年的審第十案 待審 |
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是一個堂叔從小他的親戚的孩子要把他收養因為不符合出養的規定那麼呢所以他就要等著收養如果這個案子沒有判下來黃市長您覺得這樣的一個人民的權益是不是會受到損害會有相當大的影響會有相當大的影響我們講一下看繼續那我請教副秘書長司法院本身性質之權如果受到影響可不可以請求釋憲 |
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憲法訴訟法第47條第一項有沒有符合 如果說最高機關司法院嘛因本身所適用的法規定有任何觸犯憲法者可以申請憲法法庭做違憲判決嘛 可不可以這在法條上是符合的那你們有沒有做過過去有沒有做過 廷長根據我們目前掌握的資料在過往就職時期司法院曾經有申請過兩件但這兩件最後都不受理 |
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好 那我們來看一下 如果司法院有申請過不管有沒有受理啦那有沒有其他機關提出來的立法院可不可以提出 譬如說4-61-601當年也是涉及到司法院大法官他的專業法官加擠司法院沒有提啊 誰提民進黨黨團提啊 因為刪了總預算這就在去年到今年 今年的總預算案 負面是啥 |
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你們目前簡列的跟凍結的數額多少你知道嗎目前還沒有加總沒有加總你要小心好所以說立法院的部分委員只要符合四分之以上就可以提出 |
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對於這些有違憲之餘的我們會提出申請釋憲是不是這樣可以嗎好那我們來往下一看那什麼時間可以救濟目前我們看到的限訴法是在復議未通過現在在這個階段藍色的階段尚未生效總統公佈後生效施行那以生效就無法依我依憲新法就無法裁判那目前是否已經沒有其他憲政方式可以改變結果有沒有 |
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這個結果目前,附議案不通過了,有沒有其他改變的可能?這個法案,限訴法,您覺得有沒有可能?目前的階段有沒有可能改變?來,廳長還是要廳長答?兩位都有當大法官的機會的人,請小心答,來有沒有可能改變? |
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因為這個即將是可能會成為一個我們系訴訟的案件是 所以你們不必表示意見很好 好 往下看那麼訴訟的核心功能即使有權力有效的權力救濟暫時處分我們看到了起訴後再暫時處分到判決確定前預防訴訟為了避免遭到不可維護的損害紅十字法你們舉的例子在起訴的時候你就要進行防止權力損害 |
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所以如果承認事後不可救濟是不是就應該允許提出暫時處分或預防訴訟這是你們今天提出來的一些看法供我們本委員參考是不是這樣子副秘書長我所覺得我所做的這個事情權利救濟是不是就今天討論核心要有及時有效的權利救濟嘛您的看法呢這是我整理的啦 |
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你們覺得是不是大概是這個意思就你們提的這兩個案子一個是國家考試你們舉的例子嘛是嘛是這個例子嘛一個是兩個例子嘛一個是考試嘛報考對不對一個呢是紅十字嘛OK好往下看 |
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所以結論我也不要耽誤時間因為主席站出來雖然沒講話雖然他之前說要給我兩個小時但是我相信他的身體比較誠實他既然起來了我就把結論說了所以憲法法庭停擺是不是政黨受益人民受害這是我今天要來這邊表達的當然我們尊重大家各自的看法第二 立法委員只要符合憲法法規定就可以就司法院權力提示線是有權力的 |
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4-601那你們自己講的有不成案的不受理的也有兩件申請釋憲暫時處分之時機是不是最後一個你可以說是不是應該由憲法法庭來認定對這是憲法法庭的那個權限很好謝謝今天我的質詢就到這裡謝謝跟詢問跟說明謝謝 |