| IVOD_ID |
158852 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158852 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-15,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-13T12:51:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-13T13:02:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/293c543958a38e475635ddf9878fde0229f121d6a4fe60dd20fa0258716fbc77bb574d15a1fc2d705ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:51:53 - 13:02:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、繼續審查委員賴士葆等20人擬具「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「地方制度法增訂第七條之四條文草案」案。三、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「地方制度法第八十三條之三條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「地方制度法第五十二條及第六十一條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員蘇清泉等27人擬具「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「地方制度法第五十六條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員李坤城等20人擬具「地方制度法第七十八條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員李彥秀等16人擬具「地方制度法第五十五條及第五十六條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員高金素梅等18人擬具「地方制度法第八十三條之三條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員徐巧芯等21人擬具「地方制度法第五十五條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「地方制度法部分條文修正草案」案。） |
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主席有請部長還有阮次長還有中副主委請劉部長 阮次長以及中副主委三位好 辛苦了這個高金素美委員還有盧憲一委員會同本席都有共同提案這個 |
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地方制度法針對山地原住民期財政自治的事項我先請教一下這個次長上一次為了因應五都為了因應成立五都五個直轄市所以修了這個地方制度法當時有沒有修財政收支發文法 |
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當時沒有啊沒有修對不對那現在要修地方制度法你們一直強調還有財政收支發放法還有公共債務法我們現在山地原住民7他本來是山地鄉有原住民自治的地位只不過當時修的時候 |
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落了沒有把原住民把山地鄉烏來等到屏東的三個還有還有那個復興區和平區這幾個修的時候落了所以沒有他本來是他本來是地方自治對不對修的時候落了 |
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然後這幾年修把它的自治 列為自治區了有了代表會對不對 區長也用選舉了在這麼多年的當中從上次修把山地鄉把它改為區 山地原住民區之後 |
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然後上次也把這個山地原住民區七長選舉代表會要有改了之後你們應該就要去配合去修正對不對無論是嚴明會財政部內政部就應該配合本來應該要做的事情是變成立法委員去做 |
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做了然後你們又說還要修財產收入方法還要修公債務法怎麼會呢我們是回到原來的回到原來的怎麼還要去跟鄉鎮公所去協調協調什麼我們是回到原來的地方還要經過他們的同意 |
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我跟委員報告現在目前的就是園民區的財政的問題現在是整個都是根據目前的規定是跟這個整個直轄市是混在一起的是混在一起的現在要把它現在委員的提案建議都希望把它拆開來另外單獨要準用 |
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這個相關的比如說像鄉鎮市的相關規定那這樣子一定會牽涉到各地方政府的他的舉債的額度還有就是他的債務的還有他的財政的那個相關問題啦市長原來這幾個區烏來、復興區、和平區包括高雄的三個區它原來是在依原來地方制度法 |
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它是包含在地方制度法裡面的相關的這些財政事項 自治事項當初把它抽出來之後他們增加了所有的鄉鎮市它增加了不是嗎現在再把它弄回去回到原來的基礎回到原來的基礎怎麼還要經過他們的同意呢 |
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當初他們增加的時候有沒有說我給你增加要不要同意沒有啊這個是涉及到修法的問題啦我們不會反對當初要修地方制度法的時候你們也沒有說財政部也沒有說財政部說地方法要一併修沒有啊 |
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這個我是覺得是這樣像這種問題的話就是因為現在目前這個時間的關係這個我只是把原來的我們是回到原來而已所以不管你不要太堅持你寫了就寫了但是你不要下午討論的時候你不要堅持說 |
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一定要去修才能說花園法公災法或者是你一定要經過其他鄉鎮市的同意 |
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我請你不要再堅持這個我們不會堅持我們是依法行政如果要這樣做我其實我剛剛講其實不是反對但是法制要完備啦這些可以充分討論我覺得說財政部立場就是說這個是可以充分討論大家有共識以後就去做 |
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那剛才我也特別提到就是說財化法修正以後其實地方政府的相關的這個收支也好或者是支援的分配也好其實這一部分其實都已經這個我想在修正的時候要併同來考慮了那我是覺得像這種地方就是原民區的財政問題我都聽了我剛才都有聽你的答詢那個部長 |
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電政部部長劉部長這個地方制度法我們剛剛講了我就不重複講了我就講另外一個議題因為台灣尤其是今年2025年少子女化會更嚴重而我們的業務 |
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地方政府的業務確實不斷的增加這是事實所以我們很多的過去的人口數的規定確實有需要去檢討的地方就誠如我們上次修地方制度法33條那時候是修原住民的條文但是屏東的鄉親 屏東的議員 宗家兵 委員 |
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說因為那個門檻本來是八十萬人以下一年八十萬人以下我們後來把它他沒有提修正條文我們主動在草野協商的時候修下修改為七十萬改為七十萬不是只有針對台北市我們要針對目前確實是 |
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未來高雄市也會啊台南市也會啊因為我們的人口數如果我們從地方制度法在設定副市長多少人的時候到現在那個人口數的下降那個比例一併的去考量何況何況很多的立委都提到就像我的我父親在花蓮啊但是我幾乎啊 |
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我們會期很長啊我幾乎都住在台北市啊對不對所以很多的流動的人口工作的人口所以都必須去考量而不是為了什麼為了誰所以這個部分是要一併的去因應所以這個部分就是我請那個部長跟那個次長請回座那個中副主委最後的時間 |
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總副主委今天看了你的報告全部都尊重主管機關尊重主管機關這個我們作為原住民組委員會要去主動協調相關的部會過去我在當延民會無論是當處長或者是當副主委的時候 |
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主動去協調相關的部會就像原住民保留地的主管機關本來是內政部啊去協調我去協調了三次去拜訪了三次林中生次長後來他同意那我們直轄市的議員本來就沒有分三三平三當初要改為五都的時候 |
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沒有改成三眼平眼的話會減少啊高雄市的一眼會減少台中市的一眼也會減少所以配合修正反正憲法憲法徵修條文還有三眼平眼所以我們的參政權還是改為三眼平眼所以直轄市那時候我也是我去協調我那時候是紀監哦 |
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我被降調為紀監之後我拜託當時的諸位我去協調那時候林宗森次長同意把直轄市的議員改為三眼平眼才有保障我們的參政權所以我們要去主動主動去說服內政部主動說服財政部好不好是謝謝委內指教謝謝 |