| IVOD_ID |
158839 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158839 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第28次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
28 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第28次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-13T11:30:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-13T11:37:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/293c543958a38e47f39ced9dcee8bd45b1c135165b29e3b361db096989fe9a7ba86133156bd620685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
徐巧芯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:30:41 - 11:37:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第28次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請司法院、法務部率所屬相關單位列席就「號召民眾上街對抗司法審判者為妨害司法公正罪之現行犯？」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、併案審查
（一）行政院函請審議「律師法第九條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「律師法第九條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員吳沛憶等23人擬具「律師法第九條條文修正草案」案。） |
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謝謝主席 我們有請法務部長請鄭部長 |
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委員好部長我們今天呢在這個司法法治委員會的這個主題叫做呢號召民眾上街對抗司法審判者為妨害司法公正罪之現行犯嗎這個題目我有幾個定義想要先跟您確認那這個最近是否有人號召民眾上街參與一些遊行跟抗議的活動這個禮拜 |
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這一次就是...你講啊,對啊對啊,定國記嘛好,那有哪一些人你所知道有號召民眾上街頭的?這個我想有依法申請的話不是啦,我問你的是說你知不知道有誰有號召民眾上街頭啦? |
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第一個黃國昌委員嘛你不敢講我幫你講第二個是朱立倫主席也有鼓勵嘛第三個還有很多民眾黨的立法委員還有國民黨的立法委員也都有號召說大家可以來參加這個活動嘛那呢我想要問一下法務部的態度這些人他們是現行犯嗎 |
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如果說這個沒有違法的話這個就沒有現情況的問題那我就問你有沒有違法嘛因為111已經結束啦從111結束111的這個活動結束了嘛那111整個過程當天的整天有沒有違法 |
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這部分因為這個是集會遊行是警政署的主管的那這個那個警方有派人在現場有發現有違法的我想他們會收證那我就問說那現在目前號召民眾上街的黃國昌委員朱立倫主席國民黨的立法委員跟民主黨的立法委員有號召群眾上街那他們是否在我們今天的主席裡面是所謂的現行犯呢 |
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有沒有號召人們上街是不是跟刑方就是要涉及到犯罪對你剛剛講過了我就問你結果因為11已經結束了這個結果你們結果之後你看到現行犯了沒有這不是我看的為準喔有沒有現行犯是在場那個警方要收證那你有沒有去詢問警方現行犯的情況我會去干涉個案去介入個案因為司法法治委員會那召委是白癡嗎為什麼要排這個題目啊不是找警政署的人來要找你來 |
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你有沒有問過他說這關我什麼事為什麼你要找我來我們都尊重大院的尊重大院嗎所以排了一個題目我們在場沒有人能夠回答那這不是浪費所有人的時間嗎再來我看一下有現行犯照片來一下請問一下這算不算現行犯 |
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我們的警察在立法院啊然後呢在守護不要讓民眾有入侵公署的可能性不要讓民眾有入侵公署的可能性警察在前面擋然後我們有一位先生齁這個我也不知道他是誰有一位先生拿著油壓剪去破壞警察的這個欄杆然後呢鼓譟民眾要入侵公署請問這算不算現行犯這部分那個這個檢方已經分攤在處理了檢方在處理了 |
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檢方跟誰在處理台北紀檢署在分案他案處理這個案子是不是你說這位先生檢方正在調查說他是不是屬於現行犯正在處理有沒有有沒有是這個有沒有是號召群眾入侵公主的犯罪的這個部分檢調已經在處理了是嗎 |
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這部分是警方有在分他案他案就是因為整個事實還不是那明朗所以有分對我就講這個畫面就是說警方所布置的這些避免民眾入侵公署的部分被破壞然後邀請就是讓這些民眾說要衝進立法院的這個入侵公署的行為法務部這邊檢方有在偵辦是嗎這部分是有人在就是檢方有在做一個瞭解有人告發嗎 |
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我們讓部長回答完就好好不好這部分就是檢方有分他案所以沒有人檢報分案的嘛誰報分案的你說民眾檢報因為媒體有報導媒體報導之後檢察官正在分案然後去了解說這一天這樣子的行為是否屬於總是要做一個了解嘛那他的這個檢方分案的相關的罪名大概是往哪個方向去這個我不清楚他案就是因為事實不明嘛 |
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事實不明 這樣事實不明那我問你喔就是古造群眾入侵公署相關的法規我們在名稱上面會用什麼樣的罪名來做討論 |
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這部分我想我們在這個一個報告都有提到就是因為集會結社集會遊行我們都尊重就依法來申請的合法我們都尊重但是如果偷襲的行為偷襲行為如果說甚至違法行為 |
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新法135條的妨礙公務罪妨礙公務罪136條的聚眾妨礙公務罪聚眾妨礙公務罪聚眾不解散聚眾不解散聚眾是強暴脅迫聚眾強暴脅迫還有一些的善惡他人犯罪善惡他人犯罪要做什麼違法善惡這些就做哪些違法善惡他人犯罪還有集會遊行法的一些不過這個都是要各案 |
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沒問題 那我們就請檢方公正的來偵辦 好不好因為時間到了知道 好 所以檢方已經有在偵辦當中嗎你剛剛不是自己講的分案調查警方會在現場會做一個蒐證 |
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所以這個部分有在檢方分案調查了嗎或者是有民眾的有一些人民的一個告發一訴訟法那所以不是我剛剛一直問你的問題說這個案件裡面有沒有人去告發了嗎你說這個對對對就這個而已這個我現在塗上了這個部長沒有聽懂我的話這個總裁不好意思我已經跟委員報告這個就是有分案在分案在了解嘛OK好謝謝好謝謝許委員謝謝鄭部長接下來 |