| IVOD_ID |
158834 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158834 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-15,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
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內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-13T10:35:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-13T10:46:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/293c543958a38e4788835320a657c52c29f121d6a4fe60ddf85eb60e410638a8a913c6d79a6ea1625ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:20 - 10:46:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、繼續審查委員賴士葆等20人擬具「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「地方制度法增訂第七條之四條文草案」案。三、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「地方制度法第八十三條之三條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「地方制度法第五十二條及第六十一條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員蘇清泉等27人擬具「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「地方制度法第五十六條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員李坤城等20人擬具「地方制度法第七十八條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員李彥秀等16人擬具「地方制度法第五十五條及第五十六條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員高金素梅等18人擬具「地方制度法第八十三條之三條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員徐巧芯等21人擬具「地方制度法第五十五條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「地方制度法部分條文修正草案」案。） |
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這個時辰是六島裡面都可以說是三個副市長啦在這裡面我覺得可能最大的就是台北市啦那我覺得想一個法是應該整個所有的台灣的各縣市都要說啦 |
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因為立法院有立法院的問題 管治中有管治中的問題剛才我聽到的 有人說我的管治 我的立法院裡面不夠250萬人 |
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但是我是每天給五千多兩百五十萬人所以你可以付錢給我但是在這裡我也要為高利貸來做主高利貸雖然二十六萬人 |
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加2次每天都為了很多的百姓、人、家人的服務所以在這個條例上看起來我覺得是應該大家都要坐下來探討才對因為時空百姓不一樣現在的服務也不一樣 |
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尤其我們這個法治有八十八年開始到現在因為我覺得任何什麼法案 |
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我們都希望可以收到更多錢,因為我覺得在八十八年到現在已經是八十四年以前的百姓,覺得如果要去管理政府、去問工作、去做什麼,他們會怕 |
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現在變相,大家如果遇到什麼問題,都可以去找我們局長或是公司在這裡面,我覺得有需要再去修法但是在這裡面,我希望我們的部長,可以去局長的意見 |
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大家做參考 否則你認為本席跟你講這個到目前你有正確什麼問題嗎來謝謝委員 非常關心我先這樣 剛才蔣委員說我們內政部不做功課 |
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暫時有第三個副市長是兩個市政府 其他不意見有兩個縣市 |
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他覺得 暫行 暫行啦對 其他沒意見 其他沒意見對 另外 副館長 如果是跟他一起 也算是副館市長裡面暫行的有七個 但是反對的有一個 三個沒意見那你為什麼反對的 |
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這不是民進黨之前的關係再來一級主管轉播該做事正無關 |
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這反對的比較多這反對的比較多 我就是要說 現在跟妳說我跟妳說 事務官跟政府官的時候我們現在已經改革差不多一半一半讓他們可以自由去調配差不多一半一半 |
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在這方面,我聽到張宏祿、張維和我們的部長在那裡探討的時候,怕他的生肝會回到祖國 |
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那你覺得要怎麼去改善有提案的人可以理解這個問題你是不是說得很清楚謝謝委員我想因為社會管治中心是民選所以民選出來以後他的政務官他要做他自己不一樣的政見要怎麼執行但是我們都知道要以其政府的政雄 |
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包括說管理層新的跟舊的在交接的期間是什麼人要穩定絕對就是文官一般我們來講叫文官系統那文官系統如果你一律全部都改成政務官只剩下人事、警察、政風或者是會計的話呢它會影響到非常的大會一團亂 |
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會一團亂所謂的一團亂就是說你在縣市長在交接的過程當中很多人沒辦法維持正常的公文因為我們台灣的公務員制度它這個公文的簽程一定要到一級主管至少要到一級主管才能夠簽發出去那你如果一級主管全部改成政務官政務官有新的政務官也有舊的政務官 |
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大家都知道新的政務官來的時候他連公文的起承轉合都不一定如何處理那一段的空窗期會影響到縣市政府在推動他們不管是政務或是一般的公務上面的困擾所以我們不希望全部改的一個原因在這個地方那當然呢台灣是一個民主法治的國家我們縣市長是民選可是我相信很多縣市長他們在 |
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執政的過程當中也會發現非常優秀的文官要讓他們升官那另外讓他們升官他們也可以變成政務官如果我們的一般的文官呢他可以不管是在台北市或到屏東縣或到金門縣都可以好好發揮譬如說有的人要回鄉去服務甚至要到山地部落我們如果限制他讓他沒有看到他的這個可以往上 |
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爬升的這樣子管道的話我覺得對很多文官來講並不一定是公平啦不一定是公平啦那另外一個就是我剛剛所說的如果我們在縣市長副縣市長設一個地板地板席一定是一個或是一定是兩個 |
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那什麼樣是變成天花板你能夠三個或是四個是基於什麼個因素但是這個因素只有如果只有一個說是因為地方這個通勤人口白天有這麼多晚上降人那麼多所以就要增加那其他的部分是不是晚上沒有那麼多白天也那麼多的話那他要不要降低 |
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這是我們所碰到的困擾那當然台灣的這個地方制度上面本來就是比較複雜我們有中央政府有地方政府地方政府又分成直轄市非直轄市那非直轄市又分成人口那還有非直轄市裡面還有分成是離島的縣市那這些都可以來討論但是如果沒有一個配套措施 |
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只是因為因人設事設了一個人然後看起來就好像可以解決所有的問題我想對於很多優秀的文官他們本來就是戰戰兢兢可以說是24小時在幫這個地方政府或是幫這個國家服務反而沒有發展的空間這一點我可能會是比較在乎的部分那剛剛昭偉的提示是對的就是說我們未來如果有時間可以做比較完整的配套措施包括在財政上面的設算的話 |
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我們跟財委會會來討論但是我剛剛的在乎的部分就是說現在的新版的財政收支劃分法你劃分到縣市那邊去是怎麼樣個比例的分配你要再下售到區公所三地原住民的區公所的時候如果你沒有把它的公共債務的比例或者是地方稅則稍微再做修正的話恐怕下售不下去啦 |
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你單獨只有制定一個地方制度法的話,一定會出現空窗期,反而變成這個美意變成空不要緊,補充你今天的解說,我覺得今天我們是要想地方自治法 |
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在制度法裡面,我就是要說,這個問題可能就有很多的,因為我覺得剛才你也解說了很多的,因為我覺得做成為一個國會的委員裡面,不是跟各黨方面的,我們是要全面的,可以都照顧到,因為這個修法出來, |
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賣淡十成,點高尚寶,也要有高聲、貝聲,符合現在的時代啦因為我相信,提出這裡,要兩個市長也好,兩個縣長也好,三個市長也好都有他的需要,我們也要保證,各個單位,各個的關係要守護 |
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我們要好好的去看如何可以修復好在本社裡面要跟你談到一個 |
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在沿岸 像今天現在有很多人在沿岸都固定在這裡選擇因為在自己家 他們也不一定可以關心自己家的沿岸要怎麼去分配 去加 才能夠服務更到位 |
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在這裏我們也保證不是關心自己的事可以全台灣中華民國的地方都要全民探討以上 |
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王委員美惠 |
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主席，請部長。 |
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主席 |
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請部長。 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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委員你好。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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部長你好。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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部長，今天我們要探討的修法就是地方自治法，說來說去…… |
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劉部長世芳 |
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不是，是地方制度法；不是地方自治法，是地方制度法。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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地方制度法，不好意思。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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在這裡我要跟部長說，因為這次修法最主要的是直轄市六都都可以設三位副市長，我覺得這中間牽連最大的就是臺北市，基本上，修這個法應該是整個、所有臺灣各縣市都有關，因為六都有六都的問題，縣市長有縣市長的問題，剛剛我聽到有人說自己的縣市雖然在六都裡面，但人口不夠250萬人，可是每天服務的人口超過250萬人，所以也要設三個副市長。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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部長，在這裡我也要為嘉義市來爭取，嘉義市雖然只有26萬人，嘉義市政府每天都在為很多的百姓，包括雲嘉南地區的百姓服務，所以就這個法律來看，我覺得大家應該都要坐下來探討才對，因為時空背景不同，現在的服務也不同了，尤其我們這個法是從88年開始施行到現在，本席認為無論是什麼法案，我們都希望可以修得周全，畢竟從88年到現在114年，以前民眾如果要去縣市政府詢問工作或是要去做什麼，大多會感到害怕，到現在則是變成大家如果遇到什麼問題，都會去找各縣市政府或是公所協助，因此，我覺得這個有需要再修法。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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不過，我期望我們部長可以把各縣市的意見提供給大家做參考，部長，針對本席跟你說的這個，到目前為止你有遇到什麼問題嗎？ |
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劉部長世芳 |
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謝謝委員非常的關心，剛才召委有說到我們內政部沒有做功課，事實上，我們在這短暫的時間裡面，針對直轄市、縣市政府，即這六個縣市政府我們都問過，贊成有第三個副市長的有兩個市政府，其他則是沒意見。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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有兩個縣市贊成。對！對！對！ |
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劉部長世芳 |
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其他則是沒意見。 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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另外，副縣長的部分，嘉義市也算在內，即贊成設副縣（市）長的有7個；反對的有一個；三個沒意見。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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它為什麼反對呢？ |
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劉部長世芳 |
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在這裡可能不好說，因為…… |
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王委員美惠 |
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如果不好說，那就要去問清楚喔！ |
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劉部長世芳 |
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不是，我們會去問清楚，而我是說在這裡不好說，所以待會再跟你說。好。 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2025-01-13T10:39:24.642000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:39:25.022000+08:00 |
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因為那不是民進黨執政的縣市。 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2025-01-13T10:39:25.022000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:39:43.559000+08:00 |
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再來，一級主管全部改成是政務官，這個反對的人就比較多了。 |
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0.28 |
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王委員美惠 |
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2025-01-13T10:39:43.559000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:39:43.699000+08:00 |
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反對的比較多。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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2025-01-13T10:39:44.219000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:40:20.800000+08:00 |
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部長，既然你提了，我就要跟你說，關於事務官跟政務官的比例，我們現在已經改到差不多一半一半了，讓他們可以自由去調配，比例差不多是一半一半，剛才我有聽到張宏陸召委跟我們部長在詢答時提到，這樣一來恐怕有的人升官會遇到阻礙，對此，你覺得要如何改善？ |
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王委員美惠 |
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2025-01-13T10:40:22.501000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:40:25.943000+08:00 |
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如何讓提案的人可以理解這個問題，是不是請部長說得清楚一點？ |
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0.704 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2025-01-13T10:40:26.063000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:40:26.083000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2025-01-13T10:40:26.183000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:42:18.339000+08:00 |
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因為所有的縣市長都是民選的，所以民選出來之後，政務官可以有他不一樣的政見，包括要怎麼去執行等等，但是我們都知道，要維持政府正常運作，包括新的跟舊的縣市長在交接的期間，最要穩定的絕對就是文官，我們一般稱其為文官系統，若文官系統一律、全部都改成政務官，只剩下人事、警察、政風或者是會計的話，則會影響非常的大、會一團亂，所謂的一團亂是縣市長在交接的過程當中，很多就沒辦法維持正常的功能，因為我們臺灣的公務員制度，公文的簽呈至少要到一級主管才能夠簽發出去，如果一級主管全部改成政務官，且政務官有新的政務官，也有舊的政務官，大家都知道新的政務官來的時候，他連公文的起承轉合可能都不一定知道如何處理，那一段的空窗期，會影響到縣市政府在推動時，不管是政務或是一般的公務上面的困擾，所以我們不希望全部改為政務官的原因，就是在這個地方，當然臺灣是一個民主法治的國家，我們縣市長是民選的，可是我相信很多縣市長在執政的過程當中，也會發現非常優秀的文官，而且會想要讓他們升官，或是另外讓他們升官變成政務官，如果是我們一般的文官，不管是在臺北市或到屏東縣或到金門縣，他都可以好好發揮，譬如說，有的人要回鄉去服務，甚至到山地部落服務，如果我們限制他，讓他沒有辦法看到他有可以往上爬升的管道的話，我覺得對很多文官來講，並不一定是公平。 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2025-01-13T10:42:20.400000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:42:47.763000+08:00 |
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另外一個就是我剛剛所說的，如果我們在縣市長、副縣市長設一個地板席一定是一個或者一定是兩個；則什麼樣的天花板，比如說三個或是四個等，或是基於什麼因素，而這個因素如果只是因為地方的通勤人口上白天很多但晚上又降得那麼多，所以就要求增加，那其他的部分比如說晚上沒有那麼多，白天也那麼多的話，那它要不要降低？ |
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0.855 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2025-01-13T10:42:49.205000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:43:19.891000+08:00 |
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這就是我們所碰到的困擾，當然臺灣地方制度上本來就比較複雜，我們有中央政府、有地方政府，地方政府又分成直轄市、非直轄市，非直轄市又有依人口來分，還有非直轄市裡面還分成是離島的縣市等等，我想這些都可以來討論，但是如果沒有一個配套措施，只是因人設事、設了一個人事，然後看起來就好像可以解決所有的問題，我想對於很多優秀的文官，他們本來就是戰戰兢兢齁，可以說是24小時都在幫地方政府或是幫國家服務，反而這樣會讓他沒有發展的空間，這一點可能是我比較在乎的部分。 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
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2025-01-13T10:43:20.071000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:43:21.892000+08:00 |
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剛剛召委的提示是對的，就是我們未來如果有時間，可以做比較完整的配套措施……對啦！ |
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王委員美惠 |
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2025-01-13T10:43:21.892000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:43:22.892000+08:00 |
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這才是重點。 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2025-01-13T10:43:22.012000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:44:06.983000+08:00 |
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包括在財政上面的設算，我們會跟財委會來討論，但是我在乎的部分是，現在新版的財政收支劃分法中，劃分到縣市那邊的是怎麼樣的比例分配，你要再下授到區公所、山地原住民區公所的時候，如果你沒有把它的公共債務的比例或者是地方稅則再做修正的話，恐怕下授不下去的，換言之，單獨只有制定、修正地方制度法的話，一定會出現空窗期，反而讓這個美意變成空。 |
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0.907 |
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王委員美惠 |
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2025-01-13T10:44:07.764000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:44:46.213000+08:00 |
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沒關係，今天我們是要審查地方制度法的修正，但這個問題牽涉到很多，剛剛部長也解釋很多了，本席認為，身為一個國會委員，不能只看到單方面的，我們應該要全面的照顧，因為這個修法之後，不一定可以做到百分之百，但至少也要有九成、八成符合現在的時代，我相信提出這些建議，要兩個市長也好，兩個縣長也好，三個市長也好，都有它的需要。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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2025-01-13T10:44:46.213000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:45:15.335500+08:00 |
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期望部長能與各單位或想要修法的委員好好討論，看怎麼樣能將法修好。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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2025-01-13T10:45:15.335500+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:45:44.458000+08:00 |
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本席想和部長探討的就是員額問題，現在地方業務繁多，當員額固定，尤其嘉義市，我希望部長可以多關心嘉義市，看如何分配、增加嘉義市的員額，使服務更到位。 |
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王委員美惠 |
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2025-01-13T10:45:44.458000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:45:45.619000+08:00 |
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當然，部長不只要關心嘉義市的問題，凡中華民國臺灣的地方有需要的都要檢討，以上。 |
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主席 |
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2025-01-13T10:45:46.119000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-13T10:45:50.119000+08:00 |
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我們接下來請高金素梅委員發言。 |
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主席 |
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2025-01-13T10:45:50.419000+08:00 |
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2025-01-13T10:45:58.133286+08:00 |
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高金素梅委員詢答完之後休息10分鐘，讓行政人員可以上個洗手間。 |
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