| IVOD_ID |
158834 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158834 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-15,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-13T10:35:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-13T10:46:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/293c543958a38e4788835320a657c52c29f121d6a4fe60ddf85eb60e410638a8a913c6d79a6ea1625ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:20 - 10:46:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：一、繼續審查委員賴士葆等20人擬具「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案」案。二、繼續審查委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「地方制度法增訂第七條之四條文草案」案。三、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等17人擬具「地方制度法第八十三條之三條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「地方制度法第五十二條及第六十一條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員蘇清泉等27人擬具「地方制度法第三十三條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員陳玉珍等18人擬具「地方制度法第五十六條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員李坤城等20人擬具「地方制度法第七十八條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員李彥秀等16人擬具「地方制度法第五十五條及第五十六條條文修正草案」案。九、審查委員高金素梅等18人擬具「地方制度法第八十三條之三條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「地方制度法第七條之一條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員徐巧芯等21人擬具「地方制度法第五十五條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「地方制度法部分條文修正草案」案。） |
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主席,我們請保定,請部長委員你好保定,你好保定,今天我們要探討的手法就是地方自治法嘛跟他講來講去就是不是,地方制度法不是地方自治,是地方制度法對不起不好意思,在這裡我要保定說因為最主要大家就是說 |
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這個時辰是六島裡面都可以說是三個副市長啦在這裡面我覺得可能最大的就是台北市啦那我覺得想一個法是應該整個所有的台灣的各縣市都要說啦 |
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因為立法院有立法院的問題 管治中有管治中的問題剛才我聽到的 有人說我的管治 我的立法院裡面不夠250萬人 |
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但是我是每天給五千多兩百五十萬人所以你可以付錢給我但是在這裡我也要為高利貸來做主高利貸雖然二十六萬人 |
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加2次每天都為了很多的百姓、人、家人的服務所以在這個條例上看起來我覺得是應該大家都要坐下來探討才對因為時空百姓不一樣現在的服務也不一樣 |
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尤其我們這個法治有八十八年開始到現在因為我覺得任何什麼法案 |
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我們都希望可以收到更多錢,因為我覺得在八十八年到現在已經是八十四年以前的百姓,覺得如果要去管理政府、去問工作、去做什麼,他們會怕 |
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現在變相,大家如果遇到什麼問題,都可以去找我們局長或是公司在這裡面,我覺得有需要再去修法但是在這裡面,我希望我們的部長,可以去局長的意見 |
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大家做參考 否則你認為本席跟你講這個到目前你有正確什麼問題嗎來謝謝委員 非常關心我先這樣 剛才蔣委員說我們內政部不做功課 |
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暫時有第三個副市長是兩個市政府 其他不意見有兩個縣市 |
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他覺得 暫行 暫行啦對 其他沒意見 其他沒意見對 另外 副館長 如果是跟他一起 也算是副館市長裡面暫行的有七個 但是反對的有一個 三個沒意見那你為什麼反對的 |
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這不是民進黨之前的關係再來一級主管轉播該做事正無關 |
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這反對的比較多這反對的比較多 我就是要說 現在跟妳說我跟妳說 事務官跟政府官的時候我們現在已經改革差不多一半一半讓他們可以自由去調配差不多一半一半 |
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在這方面,我聽到張宏祿、張維和我們的部長在那裡探討的時候,怕他的生肝會回到祖國 |
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那你覺得要怎麼去改善有提案的人可以理解這個問題你是不是說得很清楚謝謝委員我想因為社會管治中心是民選所以民選出來以後他的政務官他要做他自己不一樣的政見要怎麼執行但是我們都知道要以其政府的政雄 |
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包括說管理層新的跟舊的在交接的期間是什麼人要穩定絕對就是文官一般我們來講叫文官系統那文官系統如果你一律全部都改成政務官只剩下人事、警察、政風或者是會計的話呢它會影響到非常的大會一團亂 |
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會一團亂所謂的一團亂就是說你在縣市長在交接的過程當中很多人沒辦法維持正常的公文因為我們台灣的公務員制度它這個公文的簽程一定要到一級主管至少要到一級主管才能夠簽發出去那你如果一級主管全部改成政務官政務官有新的政務官也有舊的政務官 |
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大家都知道新的政務官來的時候他連公文的起承轉合都不一定如何處理那一段的空窗期會影響到縣市政府在推動他們不管是政務或是一般的公務上面的困擾所以我們不希望全部改的一個原因在這個地方那當然呢台灣是一個民主法治的國家我們縣市長是民選可是我相信很多縣市長他們在 |
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執政的過程當中也會發現非常優秀的文官要讓他們升官那另外讓他們升官他們也可以變成政務官如果我們的一般的文官呢他可以不管是在台北市或到屏東縣或到金門縣都可以好好發揮譬如說有的人要回鄉去服務甚至要到山地部落我們如果限制他讓他沒有看到他的這個可以往上 |
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爬升的這樣子管道的話我覺得對很多文官來講並不一定是公平啦不一定是公平啦那另外一個就是我剛剛所說的如果我們在縣市長副縣市長設一個地板地板席一定是一個或是一定是兩個 |
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那什麼樣是變成天花板你能夠三個或是四個是基於什麼個因素但是這個因素只有如果只有一個說是因為地方這個通勤人口白天有這麼多晚上降人那麼多所以就要增加那其他的部分是不是晚上沒有那麼多白天也那麼多的話那他要不要降低 |
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這是我們所碰到的困擾那當然台灣的這個地方制度上面本來就是比較複雜我們有中央政府有地方政府地方政府又分成直轄市非直轄市那非直轄市又分成人口那還有非直轄市裡面還有分成是離島的縣市那這些都可以來討論但是如果沒有一個配套措施 |
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只是因為因人設事設了一個人然後看起來就好像可以解決所有的問題我想對於很多優秀的文官他們本來就是戰戰兢兢可以說是24小時在幫這個地方政府或是幫這個國家服務反而沒有發展的空間這一點我可能會是比較在乎的部分那剛剛昭偉的提示是對的就是說我們未來如果有時間可以做比較完整的配套措施包括在財政上面的設算的話 |
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我們跟財委會會來討論但是我剛剛的在乎的部分就是說現在的新版的財政收支劃分法你劃分到縣市那邊去是怎麼樣個比例的分配你要再下售到區公所三地原住民的區公所的時候如果你沒有把它的公共債務的比例或者是地方稅則稍微再做修正的話恐怕下售不下去啦 |
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你單獨只有制定一個地方制度法的話,一定會出現空窗期,反而變成這個美意變成空不要緊,補充你今天的解說,我覺得今天我們是要想地方自治法 |
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在制度法裡面,我就是要說,這個問題可能就有很多的,因為我覺得剛才你也解說了很多的,因為我覺得做成為一個國會的委員裡面,不是跟各黨方面的,我們是要全面的,可以都照顧到,因為這個修法出來, |
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賣淡十成,點高尚寶,也要有高聲、貝聲,符合現在的時代啦因為我相信,提出這裡,要兩個市長也好,兩個縣長也好,三個市長也好都有他的需要,我們也要保證,各個單位,各個的關係要守護 |
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我們要好好的去看如何可以修復好在本社裡面要跟你談到一個 |
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在沿岸 像今天現在有很多人在沿岸都固定在這裡選擇因為在自己家 他們也不一定可以關心自己家的沿岸要怎麼去分配 去加 才能夠服務更到位 |
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在這裏我們也保證不是關心自己的事可以全台灣中華民國的地方都要全民探討以上 |