iVOD / 158828

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IVOD_ID 158828
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158828
日期 2025-01-13
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-2-36-28
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第28次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 2
會議資料.會次 28
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 36
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 司法及法制委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第28次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2025-01-13T10:16:40+08:00
結束時間 2025-01-13T10:28:50+08:00
影片長度 00:12:10
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
支援功能[1] gazette
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委員名稱 謝龍介
委員發言時間 10:16:40 - 10:28:50
會議時間 2025-01-13T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第28次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請司法院、法務部率所屬相關單位列席就「號召民眾上街對抗司法審判者為妨害司法公正罪之現行犯?」進行專題報告,並備質詢。 二、併案審查 (一)行政院函請審議「律師法第九條條文修正草案」案。 (二)委員林宜瑾等27人擬具「律師法第九條條文修正草案」案。 (三)委員吳沛憶等23人擬具「律師法第九條條文修正草案」案。)
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 我本來拜訪是請教,今天要請教,我想兩點我看到議題就不是,到四點我傳來就變成風海事發,說這麼多,會很興奮我請教你,不對嗎?我們現在有事發關稅的行為,有很多事發嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 目前是沒有,現在還在立法中這麼多年了因為之前人也沒有在,我就不懂得怎麼說了這個國中交啊有一個比較出名的案件,就是說那個刑事案件在高一判沒罪後,卡定的請法務部那時候的部長叫做雍伯
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 不要兇手啦,一般在你的手上我相信是不可能會發生這種事情但當然是調查出來是有這個屬性的,不要兇手之後,這種行為是不是就改定叫做司法的關稅
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 所以以現在的一個常人伺服院...因為沒有司法關稅罪嘛現在沒有這個...但是他當時這個行為的...像我現在我卡電話跟你說沒中,到一個案件就破了你可不可以叫檢察官不要上訴?這樣我是不是叫做司法的關稅?這個是要個案認定,但委員你不會打電話給我談這種事情啦
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 因為我們群組知道主張嘛 群組要表現嘛 我知道嘛所以 同期時 我在講的 都不怪其他委員看到這個議題 大家都會去想到總召嘛上禮拜才上這個風海書法 講這麼多條文所以說 法務部自己提出來的版本
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 現在全部被柯總召去那裡經營,因為這跟我阿標要問的有相關嘛這是不是改定叫做關稅啊
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 我想這個個案的內容實際上我並不清楚這個要看這個有沒有合乎到司法關說罪裡面的這些的一個要件那這部分我想這部分還要看個案來做一個認定因為這卡在法規的適用性對不對過去這個案件
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 告各位啊但是你過去也都在發布簿裡面108年到現在為什麼這個案子沒辦法好?為什麼你來在發議呢?結果再來講當然不說這麼不機靠啦因為實際上這麼多十一這個活動變成是個性抒發關稅這樣有說白嗎?
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 這樣你們一時要送進來 你有要送進來 什麼時候可以送進來
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 這個事實上行政院是有審了11次的審查的一個會議那這部分還要再會嫌司法院嘛那這樣能夠提院會因為大家既然對蘇華關稅這麼嚴若 我想是冠軍送到的心臟也討論嘛
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 你覺得怎麼樣?這個是我們本部的立場是這樣我們希望完成法治作業不要再多補充了,你的臨來三禮拜了,這樣好不好?我們是全力來推動檢查官在偵辦88會館的時候那時候有沒有對臨行者做限制出境出海,或是科技的感受?這個是偵查中是交保的,這個是沒有
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 所以沒有嘛 洗錢的金額這麼大啦 結果只有九百九百就好 換一開店啦 他也沒來啦 結果你們檢察官總是罵酒金 金人最重
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 這跟委員報告 這個是法院審理中的 那個有沒有有沒有要羈押或者是做一些的科控的或者其他的 除了剛治法院的職權 這個是檢查報告我現在在說的對 現在現階段是法院的結果 但當時是法務部 你們覺得說的話就被告報了嘛我意思是說這重大案件啦 金牙這麼大啦那你之前就被告報了嘛
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 你這個沒中你也是要嚴肅處理他這個跟委員報告他其實這一件那個起訴的一個事實他是金額129萬嘛犯罪手的是30萬啦30萬那這邊有沒有金額的必要是另外可以再斟酌他案件很多啊
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 林先生的這部份應該只有幫助起訴的事,幫助洗錢跟幫助詐欺他們可憐,你不可以這樣,像你今天辦事室或是辦什麼辦一個館長說他要走旁邊的人,旁邊的人幫助煩,整個都白做壞啊
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 丹青總統最近還有一個安慶籌過的兌數款你記得我在會堵私刑的時候,在這裡我就一直跟你說包括私刑環版的發生什麼事?現在你看,一個事件發生了,丹青總統這個兌數款籌過,發言人把他判免訴
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 這案件你怎麼知道這部分那個媒體有做一個報導你知道就對了那這部分這份事實上這個判決還沒有收到嗎還沒有收到已經判這樣了,當機時把他聽之所想的時候
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 停職受傷的時候,他也出來參加集會,也替人家去扁貨,比我們正常人更正常,那時候檢察官也出來主張要心力
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 把歡迎書給我繼續審理啊這個跟委員報告這個像二次經改案這個還有那個高院審理二次經改案的國泰併施法跟教授偽證這部分高檢署在都有用在113 8月14號以補充理由書有促請就是請法院你們要趕緊要繼續審判所以你們有提醒說這要過去啊那另外
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 另外台北地院有審理那個侵占公文案的這部份我再去一年12月31日也是有發案給台北地有處刑像這案件我先告這裡這筆特寫比較好用就不用鎖了阿兵會鬆一下又捲那一枚去吃涼蝦我會陪你 不用總統特寫啊就不用鎖 從前到現在都捲不好的事啊
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 我會想問通盤考量這個檢查調動本來就是要通盤考量而且不是說一定要做到任期嘛這個是要做到通盤考量沒關係啦沒關係沒關係啊檢測官去弄車吃飯啊跟這個欠國家錢的人做吃飯這件事你現在怎麼樣這部分其實那個台北地檢署在第一時間的時候就有做一個分案來做一個調查了那高檢署也有做一個督導了
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transcript.whisperx[29].text 那我想我們就就我想這部分我想北檢應該會再做一個處理應該會做釐清事實那如果有涉及到那個不當或者是我想會做一個評鑑要給社會一個交代啦社會對你們有高度的期待啦
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transcript.whisperx[30].text 對於老總統也有過度的期待 打擊犯罪 誤金 請 毒 頂頂人家說最好最好 下必行案包括你的所屬所為 包括你的大娘 你是要有所為的手法領完這一個模樣和方法所以尊重你的這款 但是你要檢控內部的手氣 好不好
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transcript.whisperx[31].text 好 謝謝 感謝蔣議員 謝謝鄭部長 接下來有請
transcript.gazette[0].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[0].start 2025-01-13T10:16:50.855000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[0].text 主席,我請部長。
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transcript.gazette[1].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[1].start 2025-01-13T10:16:53.877000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[1].text 有請鄭部長。
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transcript.gazette[2].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
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transcript.gazette[2].text 委員早。
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transcript.gazette[3].speaker 謝委員龍介
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transcript.gazette[3].text 部長早,辛苦了。
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transcript.gazette[4].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[4].start 2025-01-13T10:16:59.821000+08:00
transcript.gazette[4].guessed
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transcript.gazette[4].text 今天我們召委排這個專題報告,本來我今天要請假,星期五兩點多看到的議題還不是今天這個,四點多傳來就變成「妨害司法公正罪之現行犯」。
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transcript.gazette[5].text 部長,我請教你,我們國家現在有處罰司法關說的行為嗎?
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transcript.gazette[6].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[6].start 2025-01-13T10:17:34.424000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[6].text 目前是沒有,現在還在立法中。
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transcript.gazette[7].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[7].start 2025-01-13T10:17:37.985000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[7].text 這麼多年了,因為之前……他現在人又不在,我就不太想說,柯總召有一個比較有名的刑事案件,在高院判無罪之後,打電話請法務部那時候的勇伯部長說:不要上訴。
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transcript.gazette[8].end 2025-01-13T10:18:14.131000+08:00
transcript.gazette[8].text 一般在你的手上,我相信是不可能會發生這種事情,但是當時調查出來有這個事實。
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transcript.gazette[9].end 2025-01-13T10:18:21.293000+08:00
transcript.gazette[9].text 不要上訴之後,這樣的行為是不是就界定為司法關說?
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transcript.gazette[10].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
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transcript.gazette[10].guessed
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transcript.gazette[10].text 以現在的一個……
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transcript.gazette[11].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[11].start 2025-01-13T10:18:26.013000+08:00
transcript.gazette[11].guessed
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transcript.gazette[11].text 因為沒有司法關說罪……
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transcript.gazette[12].start 2025-01-13T10:18:28.794000+08:00
transcript.gazette[12].guessed
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transcript.gazette[12].text 現在沒有,目前沒有。
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transcript.gazette[13].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[13].start 2025-01-13T10:18:29.775000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[13].text 他當時這個行為……就像我現在打電話跟你說:部長,哪一個案件判完了,你怎麼不叫檢察官不要上訴?
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transcript.gazette[14].text 這樣我是不是就叫做司法關說?
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transcript.gazette[15].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[15].start 2025-01-13T10:18:46.041000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[15].text 這個要個案認定,但委員你不會打電話給我談這種事情。
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transcript.gazette[16].speaker 謝委員龍介
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transcript.gazette[16].text 因為我們君子知道自重,君子要避嫌,我知道。
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transcript.gazette[17].speaker 謝委員龍介
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transcript.gazette[17].text 所以當時我說的……也難怪其他委員看到這個議題都會想到總召嘛。
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transcript.gazette[18].text 上禮拜才送妨害司法公正罪的條文,法務部自己拿出來的版本,你們的版本,針對柯總召的那個情形,因為這和我後面要問你的問題相關,這是不是界定為關說?
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transcript.gazette[19].start 2025-01-13T10:19:31.948000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[19].text 這個個案的內容,實際上我並不清楚……
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transcript.gazette[20].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[20].start 2025-01-13T10:19:34.831000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[20].text 不過這是法規的適用……
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transcript.gazette[21].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[21].start 2025-01-13T10:19:36.712000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[21].text 這要看有沒有合乎司法關說罪裡面的一些要件,我想這部分還要看個案來做認定。
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transcript.gazette[22].start 2025-01-13T10:19:49.383000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[22].text 因為這關係到法規的適用性,對不對?
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transcript.gazette[23].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[23].start 2025-01-13T10:19:52.105000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[23].text 過去這個案件很清楚,因為我們就是沒有司法關說罪嘛,所以你們寫這個關說的條文已經幾年了?
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transcript.gazette[24].start 2025-01-13T10:20:03.999000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[24].text 從2019年,對不對?
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transcript.gazette[25].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[25].start 2025-01-13T10:20:04.460000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[25].text 108年研議到現在,一直沒送來立法院啊!
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transcript.gazette[26].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[26].start 2025-01-13T10:20:06.501000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[26].text 這樣要針對這個司法關說,到今天還沒有罪可以罰就對了?
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transcript.gazette[27].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[27].start 2025-01-13T10:20:09.802000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[27].text 你也在法務部做九個月了……
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transcript.gazette[28].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[28].start 2025-01-13T10:20:10.963000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[28].text 八個月。
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transcript.gazette[29].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[29].start 2025-01-13T10:20:29.347000+08:00
transcript.gazette[29].guessed
transcript.gazette[29].end 2025-01-13T10:20:33.048000+08:00
transcript.gazette[29].text 但是你過去也都在法務部裡面,從108年到現在,為什麼這個案子沒辦法送進立法院?
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transcript.gazette[30].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[30].start 2025-01-13T10:20:33.469000+08:00
transcript.gazette[30].guessed
transcript.gazette[30].end 2025-01-13T10:20:35.089000+08:00
transcript.gazette[30].text 再來說……當然沒有正面指控,但是影射1月11日的活動變成司法關說,這樣有公平嗎?
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transcript.gazette[31].start 2025-01-13T10:20:59.002000+08:00
transcript.gazette[31].guessed
transcript.gazette[31].end 2025-01-13T10:20:59.685000+08:00
transcript.gazette[31].text 你們什麼時候要送進來?
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transcript.gazette[32].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[32].start 2025-01-13T10:20:59.685000+08:00
transcript.gazette[32].guessed
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transcript.gazette[32].text 你們有要送進來嗎?
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transcript.gazette[33].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[33].start 2025-01-13T10:20:59.965000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[33].text 什麼時候可以送進來?
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transcript.gazette[34].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[34].start 2025-01-13T10:21:07.643000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[34].text 事實上行政院有做了11次的審查會議,審竣,這部分還要再會銜司法院,再來提院會,由院會來做審議。
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transcript.gazette[35].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[35].start 2025-01-13T10:21:23.947000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[35].text 既然大家對司法關說這麼厭惡,應該要趕快送進來審查討論,你覺得怎麼樣?
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transcript.gazette[36].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[36].start 2025-01-13T10:21:35.041000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[36].text 本部的立場是這樣,我們希望完成法制作業。
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transcript.gazette[37].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[37].start 2025-01-13T10:21:37.661000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[37].end 2025-01-13T10:21:41.022000+08:00
transcript.gazette[37].text 不要再換部長了,在你的任內送進來,這樣好不好?
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transcript.gazette[38].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[38].start 2025-01-13T10:21:42.482000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[38].text 我們全力來推動。
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transcript.gazette[39].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[39].start 2025-01-13T10:21:44.443000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[39].text 檢察官在偵辦八八會館時,那時候有對林先生做限制出境出海還是科技監控?
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transcript.gazette[40].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[40].start 2025-01-13T10:21:46.783000+08:00
transcript.gazette[40].guessed
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transcript.gazette[40].text 偵查中交保的沒有。
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transcript.gazette[41].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[41].start 2025-01-13T10:22:00.777000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[41].text 所以沒有嘛,洗錢的金額這麼大,結果只有讓他交保……
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transcript.gazette[42].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[42].start 2025-01-13T10:22:06.501000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[42].text 他這個……
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transcript.gazette[43].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[43].start 2025-01-13T10:22:08.823000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[43].text 交保之後,法院開庭他也沒來啊,結果你們檢察官就這樣「目睭金金人傷重」,他人就跑掉了。
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transcript.gazette[44].start 2025-01-13T10:22:22.988000+08:00
transcript.gazette[44].guessed
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transcript.gazette[44].text 跟委員報告,這個是法院審理中的,有沒有要羈押或者是做一些科控還是其他處分是法院的職權,這個是檢察官……
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transcript.gazette[45].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[45].start 2025-01-13T10:22:34.896000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[45].text 沒有啦,現階段是法院的職權,但當時在你們法務部,在檢察官的手上就被交保了嘛。
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transcript.gazette[46].text 我的意思是,這是重大案件,金額這麼大,你們那時候就讓他被交保了,你當部長也是要嚴肅處理,結果你……
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transcript.gazette[47].start 2025-01-13T10:22:54.352000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[47].text 跟委員報告,其實這一件起訴的事實,金額是129萬……
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transcript.gazette[48].start 2025-01-13T10:23:00.515000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[48].text 沒關係啦!
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transcript.gazette[49].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[49].start 2025-01-13T10:23:00.855000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[49].text 犯罪所得是30萬,那有沒有羈押的必要是另外可以再斟酌的。
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transcript.gazette[50].start 2025-01-13T10:23:06.818000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[50].text 他的案件很多啊!
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transcript.gazette[51].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[51].start 2025-01-13T10:23:10.061000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[51].end 2025-01-13T10:23:16.186000+08:00
transcript.gazette[51].text 林先生起訴的這部分應該只有幫助洗錢跟幫助詐欺。
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transcript.gazette[52].start 2025-01-13T10:23:16.466000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[52].text 他們牽連的……你們不能這樣,像今天你們在辦在野黨還是辦誰,如果辦一個縣長,說他的案件旁邊的人怎麼樣,是幫助犯還是什麼罪的,整個都綁在一起啊!
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transcript.gazette[53].start 2025-01-13T10:23:30.271000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[53].text 尤其媒體對你的形象稍微有受損,你說歡迎他來投案,那個積極度不夠,會讓人覺得誤會,別人會誤會嘛!
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transcript.gazette[54].start 2025-01-13T10:23:43.194000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[54].end 2025-01-13T10:23:47.415000+08:00
transcript.gazette[54].text 這部分是不是在審理中,我想這不是檢察官的職權。
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transcript.gazette[55].start 2025-01-13T10:23:47.875000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[55].text 另外,事實上檢察官在法院審理中也有請法院依法令來做強制處分的處理。
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transcript.gazette[56].start 2025-01-13T10:24:02.247000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[56].text 加強強制處分就對了。
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transcript.gazette[57].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[57].start 2025-01-13T10:24:04.650000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[57].end 2025-01-13T10:24:07.974000+08:00
transcript.gazette[57].text 這部分我們只有一個建議權嘛,在這裡只有一個建議權……
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transcript.gazette[58].start 2025-01-13T10:24:07.974000+08:00
transcript.gazette[58].guessed 1
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transcript.gazette[58].text 我請教你……
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transcript.gazette[59].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[59].start 2025-01-13T10:24:08.094000+08:00
transcript.gazette[59].guessed
transcript.gazette[59].end 2025-01-13T10:24:11.138000+08:00
transcript.gazette[59].text 我們也沒有建議的權利,我們就只是一個促請。
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transcript.gazette[60].text 陳前總統最近還有一個案件超過追訴權了,你是否記得在討論廢除死刑議題的時候,我在這裡就一直跟你說,包括這些死刑犯萬一發生什麼事?
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transcript.gazette[61].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[61].start 2025-01-13T10:24:23.295000+08:00
transcript.gazette[61].guessed
transcript.gazette[61].end 2025-01-13T10:24:35.900000+08:00
transcript.gazette[61].text 現在你看,一個事實發生了,陳前總統的追訴權超過時效,法院判他免訴的這個案件,你知道嗎?
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transcript.gazette[62].start 2025-01-13T10:24:36+08:00
transcript.gazette[62].guessed
transcript.gazette[62].end 2025-01-13T10:24:38.921000+08:00
transcript.gazette[62].text 這部分媒體有做一個報導……
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transcript.gazette[63].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[63].start 2025-01-13T10:24:38.921000+08:00
transcript.gazette[63].guessed
transcript.gazette[63].end 2025-01-13T10:24:39.582000+08:00
transcript.gazette[63].text 你知道就對了?
transcript.gazette[63].quality 1
transcript.gazette[64].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[64].start 2025-01-13T10:24:40.262000+08:00
transcript.gazette[64].guessed
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transcript.gazette[64].text 有關這部分,事實上這個判決還沒有收到嘛。
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transcript.gazette[65].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[65].start 2025-01-13T10:24:45.245000+08:00
transcript.gazette[65].guessed
transcript.gazette[65].end 2025-01-13T10:24:56.935000+08:00
transcript.gazette[65].text 已經判這樣了,當初停止訴訟的時候,他也出來參加集會、也替他女兒去辯護等等,比我們正常人還要正常,那時候你們檢察官有沒有出來主張要審理?
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transcript.gazette[66].start 2025-01-13T10:25:06.022000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[66].end 2025-01-13T10:25:06.122000+08:00
transcript.gazette[66].text 向法院主張要繼續審理啊!
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transcript.gazette[67].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[67].start 2025-01-13T10:25:06.962000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[67].end 2025-01-13T10:25:26.608000+08:00
transcript.gazette[67].text 這個有,跟委員報告,像二次金改案,還有高院審理二次金改案的國泰併世華跟教唆偽證,這部分高檢署在113年8月14號有透過補充理由書促請法院要趕緊繼續審判。
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transcript.gazette[68].start 2025-01-13T10:25:26.688000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[68].end 2025-01-13T10:25:27.369000+08:00
transcript.gazette[68].text 所以你們有提醒法院說這個要過期了?
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transcript.gazette[69].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[69].start 2025-01-13T10:25:27.369000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[69].text 有、有、有,這個有。
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transcript.gazette[70].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[70].start 2025-01-13T10:25:31.650000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[70].end 2025-01-13T10:25:39.372000+08:00
transcript.gazette[70].text 另外,臺北地院審理侵占公文案的部分,在去年12月30號也是有發函給臺北地院促請……
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transcript.gazette[71].start 2025-01-13T10:25:39.372000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[71].text 我們這樣說啦,像這個案件發展到現在的情況,等於不用特赦,這比特赦還好用,就免訴了嘛!
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transcript.gazette[72].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[72].start 2025-01-13T10:25:43.293000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[72].text 阿扁爽到那一晚還跑去吃龍蝦,我沒騙你,不用總統特赦,就免訴了,超過追訴期到最後就變成沒事了!
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transcript.gazette[73].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[73].start 2025-01-13T10:26:00.638000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[73].end 2025-01-13T10:26:05.861000+08:00
transcript.gazette[73].text 我不是針對陳前總統啦,而是說其他人的案件以後也有可能會這樣耶!
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transcript.gazette[74].start 2025-01-13T10:26:06.921000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[74].end 2025-01-13T10:26:13.465000+08:00
transcript.gazette[74].text 停止審判是法院的職權,這部分應該不是我們法務部所能夠來處理的,那是審判……
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transcript.gazette[75].start 2025-01-13T10:26:14.046000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[75].end 2025-01-13T10:27:01.165000+08:00
transcript.gazette[75].text 我要問你比較重要的,有關你們檢察官、廉政署的部分啦,有關這次檢察長的調動,我一向對首長的人事權是沒意見啦,但是你這次把你們曾經表揚過、甚至是行政院長表揚過辦案成績不錯的人,在他的任期還沒到就把他換下來,現在社會輿論都在質疑你們調動他的作法,你調動這些新任的檢察長我都沒意見,我尊重你,因為他們要配合你打擊黑金嘛,你有你的手段跟作為,但怎麼會突然爆出對這些人有不平等對待,進而在你們部裡面、在檢察體系裡面變成一種打擊士氣的情形?
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transcript.gazette[76].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[76].start 2025-01-13T10:27:06.331000+08:00
transcript.gazette[76].guessed
transcript.gazette[76].end 2025-01-13T10:27:09.354000+08:00
transcript.gazette[76].text 形成打擊士氣的情況,你有考慮到這一點嗎?
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transcript.gazette[77].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[77].start 2025-01-13T10:27:09.354000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[77].end 2025-01-13T10:27:14.478000+08:00
transcript.gazette[77].text 我想檢察長的調動是有通盤的考量。
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transcript.gazette[78].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[78].start 2025-01-13T10:27:14.778000+08:00
transcript.gazette[78].guessed
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transcript.gazette[78].text 那部分我沒意見啦!
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transcript.gazette[79].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[79].start 2025-01-13T10:27:16.639000+08:00
transcript.gazette[79].guessed
transcript.gazette[79].end 2025-01-13T10:27:21.143000+08:00
transcript.gazette[79].text 但是對於其他這些被調動下來的人,包括曾受行政院長表揚過辦案優良的人,這會影響到你們內部的士氣,這一點你有思考過嗎?
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transcript.gazette[80].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[80].start 2025-01-13T10:27:28.687000+08:00
transcript.gazette[80].guessed
transcript.gazette[80].end 2025-01-13T10:27:36.211000+08:00
transcript.gazette[80].text 我想我會通盤考量,檢察長調動本來就是要通盤考量,而且不是說一定要做到任期滿,這個是要通盤考量做處理的。
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transcript.gazette[81].guessed
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transcript.gazette[81].text 好啦,沒關係啦!
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transcript.gazette[82].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[82].start 2025-01-13T10:27:38.353000+08:00
transcript.gazette[82].guessed
transcript.gazette[82].end 2025-01-13T10:27:46.277000+08:00
transcript.gazette[82].text 另外,檢察官去給人家請吃飯、跟欠國家錢的人一起吃飯,這件事情現在辦得怎樣了?
transcript.gazette[82].quality 0.618
transcript.gazette[83].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[83].start 2025-01-13T10:27:46.277000+08:00
transcript.gazette[83].guessed
transcript.gazette[83].end 2025-01-13T10:28:11.240000+08:00
transcript.gazette[83].text 這部分其實臺北地檢署在第一時間就有分案來做調查了,高檢署也有做督導,我想北檢在處理後應該會釐清事實,如果有涉及到不當或者是怎麼樣,我想會做一個評鑑。
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transcript.gazette[84].start 2025-01-13T10:28:11.240000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[84].text 部長,要給社會一個交代啦!
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transcript.gazette[85].speaker 鄭部長銘謙
transcript.gazette[85].start 2025-01-13T10:28:11.900000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[85].text 這個我想我們會做一個調查結果。
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transcript.gazette[86].speaker 謝委員龍介
transcript.gazette[86].start 2025-01-13T10:28:12.080000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[86].end 2025-01-13T10:28:43.979000+08:00
transcript.gazette[86].text 社會對你們有高度的期待啦,對賴總統也有高度的期待啦,希望你們打擊犯罪、打擊黑金、槍、毒等等,人家說「上有所好,下必甚焉」啦,包括你的所作所為、包括你的帶領,你是要給所有司法人員做一個榜樣跟模範,所以我尊重你的職權,但是你也要兼顧內部的士氣,好不好?
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transcript.gazette[87].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[87].start 2025-01-13T10:28:46.482000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[87].end 2025-01-13T10:28:47.325000+08:00
transcript.gazette[87].text 好,謝謝,感謝謝委員,謝謝鄭部長。
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transcript.gazette[88].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[88].start 2025-01-13T10:28:47.325000+08:00
transcript.gazette[88].guessed
transcript.gazette[88].end 2025-01-13T10:28:47.446000+08:00
transcript.gazette[88].text 接下來請吳召委宗憲發言。
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