| IVOD_ID |
158783 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158783 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T12:52:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T13:05:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb581c13ed422eb6710b9b82b4e80112db2549197707589a214950b48a977d456e315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:52:59 - 13:05:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國家發展委員會、環境部、經濟部及國家科學及技術委員會就「陸海空交通運輸業因應凈零排放轉型之改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請陳次長好 請陳次長 |
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市長好市長今天討論我們淨民碳排轉型改善措施其實最重要的就是希望鼓勵大家多用大眾運輸工具減少碳排對不對本席三個月前就在這邊有跟部長這邊來要求就是說考慮是不是能夠有通勤的時間國道客運事辦雙程巴士的通行那不知道現在進度如何 |
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因為國道客運上面用雙層巴士三個部分第一解決現在缺工的問題嘛一輛巴士可以多載一些旅客嘛第二能夠讓更多的人使用同一班的一個大眾運輸工具以及第三減少國道上面的一個車輛的一個數量來 |
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現在全世界各國以前你們一直主旨是說世界各國沒有多少國家是有國道客運雙層巴士可以上國道但事實是如此嗎 |
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我們收集完之後才發覺說很多國家其實都有開放國道是可以用長程巴士對不對原則上大概就是主要使用還是在這個就是說市區遊覽的部分但是剛剛委員所提到確實在英國或等等的部分有這個長途國道客運的部分那我們也特別去了解它的車型車高這些相關還包括這個走路人數的部分 |
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那大概目前這個收集回來之後那目前市裡面在凝聚這些相關東西原則上我們內部會簽一個處理的方向後面會找這個處理廠還有客人業者大家來共同做一個還要多久時間 |
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這部分的話 我講三個月前跟我信誓旦旦講說這是一個很好的方向只要安全無虞的情況下可以辦理我們就優先來試辦那結果現在三個月過去了怎麼還是停留在這個討論階段我跟委員報告一下就是說前面這些相關的東西因為裡面就是我剛剛跟委員報告的一個部分裡面有車輛規格這些相關的部分那個是比較這個具體這個細部的部分啦 |
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那我這邊大概跟委員報告一下還要多久時間是不是我這個應該這個過完年之後我就立刻召開第一次會議還要等過年啊是要等發紅包是不是因為有些程序處理完之後大概剛好碰到這一個就是月底過年的一個這個期間那我想說過完年之後那我們這個相關推就是說這些細部這個規格處理的部分我們就來開會做討論 |
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過完年之後會開第一次會議是是是好來市長 |
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市長本席為了今天的一個質詢我再收集了很多資料我給您看一下我也希望不要被下面的人蒙蔽因為以前的人大家都講是說世界各國很少開放國道有雙層巴士的行駛結果其實不是第一英國英國雙層巴士它就有在國道上面還有跨國的路線上面行駛第二 |
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香港它的快速公路跟道路它其實也就有雙程巴士以70到80公里的時速在做行駛雖然說快速公路跟道路不一定他們的名稱是國道但實際上他們的性質就是高速公路第三 新加坡新加坡也有雙程巴士行駛在主要的幹道跟快速道路上面 |
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當然新加坡的道路設計規劃的時候可能當初就已經考慮到說雙層巴士的需求所以對於限高等等就已經有考量進去來 |
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以及美國美國這樣子的Megabus是美國加拿大都有雙程巴士的一個行駛都有行經他們主要的這個城市我更上網看一下這個Megabus的一個官方網站他們的那個巴士長什麼樣子 |
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歐洲它就長這個樣子它其實跟一般使用的市區的觀光巴士那種雙層第二層是露天的是不一樣的它其實是一個包覆性的兩層的巴士而且因為Megabus他們做起來之後它就可以讓 |
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國道客運讓這些客運業者有更多的優惠跟競爭力因為他只要一個駕駛就可以有多載一程的旅客嘛所以你看他上面寫什麼一塊錢啊Megabus的那官方網站上面你看很多的留學生喔他們去美國的話都會去搶那個票就是他們每一台Megabus裡面雙程巴士他都會有提供一張票 |
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一塊美金就好剩下幾張票五塊美金再其他的票才是原本的價錢那如果說國外不管美國不管歐洲不管英國不管香港不管新加坡都有類似的一個推動的話那台灣第一地狹人稠第二我們的通勤其實是有需要的第三現在國道客運上面其實大家也覺得很辛苦啊 |
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大家也覺得很辛苦啊不是嗎缺工的問題駕駛找不到但是找到了結果我們這個競爭力大家也覺得是說跟這個高鐵跟台鐵很難比較那如果說我們能夠有比較多一點思考去開放讓這些業者他們能夠做第一對於我們的這個乘客來講的話他就不會在上下班通勤時間看到等了很久就一台車來發覺上面已經滿了我只能再等下一班 |
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有沒有多少市長你應該你這公路體系出色的你應該很能理解啊有多少人那種通勤族這種寒風天站了二三十分鐘一台車來結果看到原來那台車滿了他就要看著被迫走那我另外要再等下一台 |
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所以我今天列出那麼多相關是世界各國確實有這樣子的一個做法也都可行也都安全那我們現在台灣在討論所謂的淨零碳排跟討論所謂的這些能夠擴大交通運量 |
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等相關部分能不能有更積極的思維來市長簡單回應一下我想我跟委員做說明部長已經有提到說朝這個方向來演繹所以原則上呢我想剛才市長也說明了我們會朝這個方向來演繹那最主要考量還是安全那以往來講的話那個其實我們在早幾年我們的國道還是有出現那個雙層的下面坐人的所以 |
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當時大家的印象就是那種車子真的是很不安全那剛才委員秀出來Megabus的那個如果說我們國內而且隨著這個我們刑事認證的推展其實車子的打造的技術也提升了所以如果國內有這樣的打造的技術的能力真的把這樣的打造出來車體的安全 |
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以及相關的行控然後還有你也可以把它的時數給控制住甚至我之前就提過說範圍可以控制以北北基桃中張頭雲嘉南高高屏用通勤的概念先示範好不好這個我們一併納入好市長這是第一個部分抱歉主席站起來但是還有另外一個也很重要的議題我今天有準備那個桃園機場捷運他們在10月的時候有回報說他們要採購這個列車 |
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一個是要採購6輛直達車跟4輛的一個普通車但發覺說是卡關為什麼是因為那個零件說 |
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沒有再生產了那到目前為止我們要怎麼協助因為今年3月才在交通委員會去桃園視察的時候才講信誓旦旦承諾這有補不管是有中央有補助或是等等的部分我們要讓機場公司來買列車啊那現在因為T-pass以及我們很多的這個使用的一個習慣所以早上桃園林口要來台北這班班都爆滿可是他現在車廂買不進來有沒有了解這個問題 |
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我沒有掌握到這個問題我最近會跟台灣市政府來召開會議來研商一下還沒有召開會議啊10月就爆發的事情到現在你跟我講說已經過三個月了我本來以為是你要跟我講說解決方法你現在才要再召開會議因為這個原來的耗資廠商確實現在有供應上的問題原來的耗資廠商當時是誰簽的 |
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當時是前高鐵局是前高鐵局嘛也就是鐵道局嘛是不是那結果簽了多久之後那原耗資廠商就倒了 |
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倒了嘛是的是那現在就變成是說它是被德國新聞紙併購了不管是併購不管是消失反正它就是不見了那現在變成是說你找不到原本的廠商所以現在就傳出說12項零件裡面有7項是已經停產了造成說我們現在機場捷運的那些車廂要去買的話買不到新的車廂 |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
那這問題要怎麼解決這個我想你不可能直接推給不能推給地方政府是吧並不會是的是所以什麼時候要找地方政府來溝通我們已經在安排會議了什麼時候應該是在年前就會召開因為我開通章昨天的前天就已經發出去了這期我沒有記得抱歉好 次長這一個問題為什麼會特別點出來也一樣 |
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淨零碳排我們大家都重視要用淨零碳排就是要有大眾運輸工具大眾運輸工具裡面就是要讓大家能夠方便來做來搭乘那現在如果說連我們都已經編列了預算結果我們要買車廂買不到我覺得是華天下之大機啊這真的是笑話變成是我們要買方市場照理講全世界這不是戰鬥機不是飛機耶 |
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捷運車廂不是戰鬥機不是飛機不算是賣方市場應該說買方市場我們編了錢結果我們還買不到那洪委員因為你的時間已經超過一倍了是不是這個問題那個高鐵局已經要要開會了是不是可以請洪委員也可以出席 |
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就是說這個會議侯偉仁可以適合出席嗎讓他可以去比較進一步了解我們會議結果再跟委員來做報告還是會議結論再跟侯偉仁報告趙偉只派工作給我做要我去盯你們好好開會沒有我覺得趙偉這樣講也是對 |
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你不要說技術層面不要說是技術層面的會議啊該怎麼樣開會因為這個是包括桃園市包括新北市包括台北市通勤的民眾使用積極的民眾大家都關心的甚至現在你說你要國國際的觀光市場要恢復那國際觀光市場要恢復你的桃園機場的品質你要起來嘛提供本席什麼時候開會那並且市長我真的要求您您要主動的來去督導 |
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好不好對 你要主動來督導不要把它放任就是放成下面去看因為這不是地方政府的責任而已我覺得這應該是交通部要整體考量集結現在既然已經 |
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有運輸了早上現在真的是班班客滿那最需要的就是趕快買新的車廂然後能夠增加這個運量可以嗎好這部分我們呃會來跟鐵道局來共同看怎麼樣來解決好再請提供本期相關資料好不好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝 |