| IVOD_ID |
158780 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158780 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T12:29:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T12:37:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb58ef1cecd1a1713e899b82b4e80112db25e734c898429ef19ac918614e2a6c40d45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:29:16 - 12:37:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國家發展委員會、環境部、經濟部及國家科學及技術委員會就「陸海空交通運輸業因應凈零排放轉型之改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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陳副處長好 我今天要問的題目是我們台灣的公車要全面電動化這件事情交通部有沒有認真在推動好 我們先看這一張今天你們交的報告陳市長 國發會說到去年的11月台灣電動車的普及率31.5 對嗎 |
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他這31.5就是剛才我們在很多都特別提到的就是包含這個在營運中的跟核定的台灣的大客車有幾輛啊 |
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市區的電動公車是有11700輛來 部長你看你們的報告你們報告說要汰換電動大客車14500輛 |
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你們定義的是14500輛嘛 對不對那到去年的年底你們說你們已經領牌的是1926嘛1926除以14500輛是13.28好 我想跟你計較這些數字就是說國華會的數字啊應該也是交通部給的 |
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稍微再跟委員說明一下那個原則上會多出來那個4000多部吧那個是公路客運的部分啦我們是在對啦我知道啦但是國化會把電動大客車它就這樣寫嘛但是我們一般對大客車的定義不是這樣嘛因為對 |
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因為大客車 遊覽車也是大客車所以這些文字精準一點 好不好因為國外會看到的數字也是你們給的 好不好那我們看下一張原來設定50%要電動化是指市區公車嗎那公路客運是交通部公路局管的要做嗎 |
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那為什麼公路客運都不來申請電動車跟我們報告目前大概重點先擺在這個市區公車的部分沒有重點嘛市區公車是市政府管的嘛六都市政府管的嘛對不對那公路客運是公路局管的嘛那為什麼公路客運的業者不申請 |
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電動公車跟我們報告並不是說客運業者不申請最主要就是說目前適合公路客運跟國道客運的電動的車的車型目前還在開發中應該這個今年第一季會有這個經過審議合格的這個車型出來因為在性能上面的要求會有不一樣 |
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那遊覽車呢遊覽車更是一個高性能的部分所以現在沒有遊覽車的電動車現行在科學園區大概有將近50輛這個電動遊覽但是他是用地地板另外就是專門跑這個 |
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市區公車六都剛剛蔡奇昌副院長有提到那個數量沒有機會讓你們解釋你們知道為什麼會有些都沒有嗎為什麼有一些很低為什麼有一些很高嗎 |
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你不要笑啊 你知道答案你就講啊好 這個部分我大概跟委員報告一下因為就是說確實電動公車的一個這個推產各縣市都這個不太一樣啊那但是這個就是關鍵是什麼關鍵在於就是說確實像有一些這個縣市它起步可能推的比較不是啦 |
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就是車公里成本不一樣嗎?編的補貼不一樣嗎?現在全台灣對電動公車車公里成本給最高的是誰?我印象中應該是台中或者是台南吧台南啦台南給蠻高的56.34啦第二名第二名是桃園啦 |
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桃園52.7再加購車補助桃園喔桃園給最高的車公里喔然後呢又給購車補助喔結果他是六都最後一名為什麼 |
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當時有關那個車子應該是想說一開始的時候我們大概只有幾行所以很多的客運業者大概在觀望其他的車型我跟你講關鍵就是地方政府的這些加碼補助跟對車工裡的計算不一樣就會導致各城市的客運業者願不願意把柴油公車連線到的時候換成電動公車 |
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所以你們要去盤點這六都他們對這個車公里成本的計算到底哪裡不一樣 因為你們只做這個購車補助嘛 對不對好 那剛剛我再請問一下 那購車補助車子買來了要充電的那個場地啊 各縣市政府跟客運業者有沒有遇到困難 |
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放月子有沒有想要因為他們的車都要休息嘛他們都要充電嘛那充電的地方有沒有遇到抗爭遇到人家不讓他設那這個都丟給縣市政府還是公路局會介入來協助 |
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所以當時就是要求地方政府在提計劃書的時候就對於這個要就是說協助這個客人業者來找這個設停車場跟充電場這個部分要有整體的規劃所以這是縣市政府負責 |
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對然後另外一個部分有場地之後要設充電樁這些供電用電的等等部分的話公務局在公務局這邊跟台電有一個平台他們每個會開會那只要就是說客運業者有申請要設這個充電樁的一個場站在台電各分區都列為專案計畫在做這個列管都是優先來做一個協助我們現在對推動電動的市區公車的進度實在是非常的緩慢 |
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你們應該也會認為很緩慢所以這個部分我知道你們補助不會無窮無盡最新一期的補助那個付款的條件是越來越差所以對這些客運業者來說他們願意再加碼繼續買的那個意願會越來越低那可是你們離目標離國安會幫你們訂的環境部幫你們訂的行政院幫你們訂的那個數字會越來越遠 |
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會越來越遠 因為最早期馬來西亞電動公車也都到齊了那很多是中國車 對不對很多是大量的中國車 那些也都到齊了所以接下來呢 你們怎麼在 你們的經費有限補助會越來越少然後呢 給客運業者的補助的時程 就是說分期付款越拉越多期 |
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造成這業者不願意買可是國安會訂了目標環境部訂了目標行政院訂了目標那我們的運輸部門越來越難達成 |
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那到最後全部會怪運輸部門因為運輸部門本來就是這個排碳最大宗大概就在運輸部門後面國外會都一直點頭所以你們要記得一定要想辦法跟上來不能讓其他的部門住宅部門這些部門笑我們好不好交通部要加油謝謝 |
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主席，請國發會跟交通部陳次長。 |
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請國發會陳副處長及陳次長。 |
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我今天要問的題目是：我們臺灣的公車要全面電動化這件事情交通部有沒有認真在推動？ |
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先看這一張投影片關於今天你們交的報告，陳次長，國發會說，到去年11月臺灣電動車的普及率31.5%，對嗎？ |
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31.5%就是剛才我們在很多地方都特別提到的，包含營運中的跟核定的，所以整體來講…… |
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臺灣的大客車有幾輛？ |
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我們在這裡講的大客車是講市區電動公車，有1萬1,700輛。 |
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王委員義川 |
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2025-01-08T12:30:01.094000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2025-01-08T12:30:26.673000+08:00 |
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次長，你看你們的報告說要汰換電動大客車1萬4,500輛，你們定義的是1萬4,500輛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2025-01-08T12:30:26.853000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2025-01-08T12:30:32.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
到去年年底，你們說你們已經領牌的是1,926，1,926除以1萬4,500輛是13.28%。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2025-01-08T12:30:32.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2025-01-08T12:30:34.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
好，我不想跟你計較這些數字，國發會的數字應該也是交通部給的，但是對大客車…… |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.758 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2025-01-08T12:30:47.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2025-01-08T12:30:57.196000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
我稍微再跟委員說明一下，原則上會多出來四千多部，那個是公路客運的部分，我們是在…… |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2025-01-08T12:30:57.796000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2025-01-08T12:30:59.537000+08:00 |
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對啊，我知道，但是國發會把電動大客車……它就這樣寫嘛，但是我們一般對大客車的定義不是這樣嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2025-01-08T12:30:59.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:00.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
我們是市區。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2025-01-08T12:30:59.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:11.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
對，因為遊覽車也是大客車。是。對吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:11.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:15.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
所以這些文字精準一點，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:15.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:16.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
是，謝謝委員的指導。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:15.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:18.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
因為國發會看到的數字也是你們給的，好不好？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:22.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:28.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
原來設定50%要電動化是指市區公車嘛？對嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:28.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:32.446000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
那公路客運是交通部公路局管的，沒錯吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:34.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:41.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
那為什麼公路客運都不來申請電動車？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
林司長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:41.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:45.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
跟委員報告，目前大概重點先擺在市區公車的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:46.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:49.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
沒有重點，市區公車是市政府管的嘛？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:49.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:52.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
六都是市政府管的嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:52.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2025-01-08T12:31:53.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
那公路客運是公路局管的嘛？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2025-01-08T12:31:54.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2025-01-08T12:32:00.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
那為什麼公路客運的業者不申請電動公車？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
林司長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2025-01-08T12:32:00.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2025-01-08T12:32:21.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
跟委員報告，並不是說客運業者不申請，最主要是適合公路客運跟國道客運電動車的車型目前還在開發中，應該今年第一季會有經過審議合格的車型出來，因為在性能上面的要求會有不一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2025-01-08T12:32:22.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2025-01-08T12:32:22.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
好，那遊覽車呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
林司長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2025-01-08T12:32:26.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2025-01-08T12:32:28.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
跟委員報告，遊覽車更是一個高性能的部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2025-01-08T12:32:28.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2025-01-08T12:32:31.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
所以說現在沒有遊覽車的電動車？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
林司長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2025-01-08T12:32:31.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2025-01-08T12:32:39.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
有，現行在科學園區大概有將近50輛電動遊覽車，但是它是用低地板，因為是專門跑…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2025-01-08T12:32:41.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2025-01-08T12:32:52.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
關於六都市區公車的部分，剛剛蔡其昌副院長有提到數量，沒有機會讓你們解釋，你們知道為什麼有些都沒有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2025-01-08T12:32:52.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2025-01-08T12:32:54.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
為什麼有一些很低、有一些很高嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2025-01-08T12:32:59.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:00.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
你不要笑，你知道答案就講啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
林司長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:01.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:09.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
好，這部分我大概跟委員報告一下，確實電動公車的推展各縣市都不太一樣，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:10.266000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:11.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
關鍵是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
林司長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:11.467000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:18.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
關鍵在於像有一些縣市的起步可能推的比較…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:18.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:19.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
不是啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:20.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:26.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
就是車公里成本不一樣，編的補貼不一樣。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:26.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:30.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
現在全臺灣對電動公車，車公里成本給最高的是誰？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
林司長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:30.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:33.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
我印象中應該是臺中或是臺南吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
林司長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:33.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:34.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
臺中好像…… |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:34.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:35.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
臺南啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
林司長福山 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:36.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:36.910000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
臺南給滿高的。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:37.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:49.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
56.34啦，第二名是桃園啦，桃園52.7再加購車補助，桃園喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-08T12:33:50.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-08T12:33:56.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
桃園給最高的車公里，然後又給購車補助，結果它是六都最後一名，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-08T12:34:06.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-08T12:34:15.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
有關那個車子，應該是想說一開始的時候我們大概只有幾型，所以很多客運業者大概在觀望其他的車型。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2025-01-08T12:34:16.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2025-01-08T12:34:30.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
好，我跟你講啦，關鍵就是地方政府的這一些加碼補助，跟對車公里的計算不一樣，就會導致各城市的客運業者願不願意把柴油公車在年限到的時候換成電動公車。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2025-01-08T12:34:32.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2025-01-08T12:34:43.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
所以你們要去盤點這六都對車公里成本的計算到底哪裡不一樣，因為你們只做購車補助嘛，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-08T12:34:43.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-08T12:34:53.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
好，我再請教一下，購車補助的車子買來了，要充電需要場地，各縣市政府跟客運業者有沒有遇到困難？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-08T12:34:55.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-08T12:34:57.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
客運業者有沒有想要……因為晚上車都要休息，晚上都要充電，它充電的地方有沒有遇到抗爭，遇到人家不讓它設？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
王委員義川 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-08T12:34:57.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-08T12:34:57.600000+08:00 |
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這個是都丟給縣市政府還是公路局會介入來協助？ |
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0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
林司長福山 |
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2025-01-08T12:35:10.599000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T12:35:13.763000+08:00 |
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這邊我跟委員報告一下，確實車輛數量多的時候一定會碰到問題，所以當時要求地方政府在提計畫書的時候，對於協助客運業者找設停車場跟充電場這個部分要有整體的規劃…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.603 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2025-01-08T12:35:13.763000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T12:35:29.120000+08:00 |
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所以這是縣市政府負責的？對。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
林司長福山 |
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2025-01-08T12:35:30.020000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T12:35:52.192000+08:00 |
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另外一個部分，有場地之後要設充電樁，這些供電、用電等等的部分，公路局跟台電有一個平臺，他們每個月會開會，只要客運業者有申請要設充電樁的場站，台電各分區都會列為專案計畫並做列管，都是優先來做協助。 |
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0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2025-01-08T12:35:53.332000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T12:36:28.894000+08:00 |
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好，我們現在推動電動市區公車的進度實在是非常的緩慢，你們應該也會認為很緩慢，我知道你們補助不會無窮無盡，最新一期的補助，那個付款的條件是越來越差，所以對這些客運業者來說，他們願意再加碼繼續買的意願會越來越低，可是你們離目標、離國發會幫你們訂的、環境部幫你們訂的、行政院幫你們訂的數字會越來越遠，因為最早期的那一些電動公車都到期了，很多是中國車，對不對？ |
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0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2025-01-08T12:36:28.894000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T12:37:09.422000+08:00 |
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很多大量的中國車，那些也都到期了，所以接下來你們怎麼在你們有限的經費下，補助會越來越少，然後給客運業者補助的時程越來越……就是分期付款越來越多期，造成業者不願意買，可是國發會訂了目標、環境部訂了目標、行政院訂了目標，我們的運輸部門越來越難達成，到最後全部就怪運輸部門，因為運輸部門本來就是排碳的最大宗，大概就在運輸部門。 |
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0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2025-01-08T12:37:09.422000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T12:37:19.006000+08:00 |
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後面的國發會一直都在點頭，所以你要記得，一定要想辦法跟上來，不能讓其他的部門、住宅部門，這些部門笑我們，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
王委員義川 |
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2025-01-08T12:37:19.766000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T12:37:20.726000+08:00 |
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交通部要加油，謝謝！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-08T12:37:21.226000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-08T12:37:22.368857+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2025-01-08T12:37:22.668857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-08T12:37:24.668857+08:00 |
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謝謝王義川委員。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
主席 |
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2025-01-08T12:37:24.968857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-08T12:37:28.397429+08:00 |
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接下來邀請鄭天財委員質詢。 |
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0 |