| IVOD_ID |
158779 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158779 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T12:17:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T12:28:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb58265eacd00df0f56c9b82b4e80112db25e734c898429ef19a42e813f5a017db975ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
廖先翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:17:15 - 12:28:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國家發展委員會、環境部、經濟部及國家科學及技術委員會就「陸海空交通運輸業因應凈零排放轉型之改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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要請我們陳次長經濟部吳副署長電力公司溫總工程師稍等一下 |
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三位好 這個最近我的辦公室有收到民眾的陳情可能跟經濟部還有電力公司比較有關係就是說有女生就是家庭主婦會來跟辦公室反映說老公他老公最近常常晚上九點多十點多跑出門然後該怎麼辦你知道是什麼原因嗎兩位 |
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老公晚上九點多十點多出門然後過了一陣子可能過了一個小時兩個小時才回來電力公司是不是啊不知道好跟今天的主題有關係啦就是這個電動車啦我們現在進行的部分就是電動車那電動車我們台電是不是有針對電動車的電表有專門的時間電價 |
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報告是是那你知道尖離峰的大概電價大概是多少跟多少嗎因為我不是這方面的主管離峰大概是3塊4塊啦尖峰是多少 |
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12塊大概12塊所以說我們有很多的電動車主因為我們的電譬如說我們去第三方快充的時候那廠商他一定也是推時間電價嘛他也是尖峰的時候可能又收比較貴的錢他不可能虧本嘛那離峰的時候他就推很便宜的價格所以說我們現在很多電動車的車主很困擾就是說 |
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我們因為廠商就是這樣子定價所以我們常常就是必須在冬季九點過後夏季是十點過後那才能夠用比較便宜的價格去充電我們中油過去可能這個油價調漲的時候隔天要漲個兩角三角就大排長龍了你知道消費者的這個心情就是這樣子 |
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對多數的這個電動車主來講的話我充了一次電我可能就省了兩三百塊我當然晚一點出門啊你去充就好為什麼要在尖峰時刻充這也符合我們台電的精神但是對於我們國家要推動電動車來說它其實是一個健康的一種電價因為我們要去開電車要去補充能源的時候 |
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我們當然是希望越便利越好我們不希望要在這種很離縫的時段去衝那這個都是我們的電動車組會去考量的我可以請後續請我們的經濟部然後邀請我們的可能交通部或者是電力公司兩個單位的立場會不一樣電力公司當然是因為有這個用電接木的問題但是交通部的立場應該是推動電動車那當然兩個中間就會有一個這個 |
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這個目標不一樣的時候那就可能有一個政策性不一樣的部分可不可以請台電公司去檢討一下電動車電表這樣子的一個這麼過大價差的一個合理性可不可以 |
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是謝謝委員我們回去他會檢討但是目前看起來就是為了解決這個尖峰的尖離峰的一些問題尖離峰我會吐槽你啊尖峰就是缺電嘛你們一說沒缺電那沒缺電又在尖離峰什麼好不好一個月好不好你們檢討一下那個我能不能 |
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講一下這個其實在國外大概充電的方式大概都是類似這樣子為什麼因為就是說其實現在的充電的系統它基本上會去偵測說你那個電池因為它電池漏的時候它有一個模式所以基本上像有些就是因為現在其實就是因為我們慢充的系統比較少所以大家都集中去快充 |
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那慢充的系統它其實有些功能是它會去偵測那個電池的模式然後比如說離風的時候它就會盡量去把它充飽然後尖峰的時候它就會避開那大家也不會集中在過渡在某一個地方去充電那對大家來說 反正家用家用當然可以這樣子設定啦但是當家裡沒有充電樁的時候你就只能去外面嘛那就是價格的問題啦好不好 那一個月內提前可不可以 |
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因為我們現在在討論到淨零碳私人載具轉型的問題過程中當然現在第三方包括特斯拉以及很多第三方的超充業者現在都雨後春筍的在擴張嘛對不對但是我們目前好像並沒有針對快充站有一個很明確的一個規定就像是我們停車場法有很明確的停車場路外停車場的設置的規範所以說 |
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現在因為都市的地方 地不好找所以說廠商就會有一些亂象產生就像我這頭影片顯示的 |
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左邊那張可能沒有看到人行道右邊這一張你很明顯的看到最右邊的那台車它車殼比較大了越往左邊越來越小到第二台車的時候其實車子要停到最後面的時候它的車頭就已經到我們的人行道了如果說在更左邊的這一格它的車一定就是會站到我們人行道影響到我們行人通行的空間那針對這樣子的一個問題我們目前經濟部我們確定快充 |
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業者的主管機關會是是不是經濟部以及他有沒有適用的一個法規去給他做一些相關的限制跟委員報告一下那個經濟部管的部分就是說那個快充站他有一些用電設備他必須要符合用戶用電設備裝置規則 |
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那至於說那個地方因為現在的位置大部分都是停車空間去設的啦對那所以這個規範可能還是因為道路安全部分可能還是交通部這個可能要請教交通部的部分好沒關係那電力安全部分我們經營部會處理好下一張沒關係下一張你剛剛講的就是這個 |
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目前充電有兩個管道就是一般來說會設置在兩個地方一個是合法的停車場那合法的停車場裡面自然就有停車場法去規範這部分就沒有問題了另外一個就是非合法的停車場還是可以設充電樁難道不行嗎?可不可以?沒有在停車場內可以設快充設備嗎?有沒有一個單位會說不行? |
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我跟委員報告這個合法停車因為這個現在來講合法非法這個本來就是依照停車場法我不是說非法我是說不是在合法的停車場內我不是說它是非法停車場 |
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這兩個不一樣就是停車場裡頭當然充電樁的設置我們因為有停車場法的相關規定我們只是去規範它一定的比例所以它的空間什麼的都符合我們的規範它不會影響到包括出入口等等不會影響到交通裡面的車格規範有一定的長寬的配置它要去設置的時候但是當它這一站不是設在我們合法的停車場裡面的時候 |
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就沒有任何一個法可以管到他啦就像我剛剛講的他設了之後他的車子會停到人行道上啊我包括左邊這一張他其實是人行道我包括進去我一定就會在人行道上面行車嘛我跟委員報告這分很多地方啊充電樁的設置你看像在公寓大廈裡頭也會有那你這裡在講到說譬如說在這一個空地裡頭要去設置當然設置的時候他就有相關的一個規範那規範是什麼 |
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譬如說你剛才講的用地的是不是用地可以在那個用地上來設對啊 那目前有沒有任何的規定可以規範 |
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這個可能要經濟部有沒有經濟部來做相關的規範我還是跟委員報告一下就是說現在我們用電的部分因為我們你們只管電嘛對不對那因為車子要停上去要充電他一定有經過車子可以走的地方這個就可能不是經濟部可以對所以現在就是沒人管得到嘛我們交通部只管得到合法停車場對不對經濟部只管電力 |
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對就是跟設加油站什麼我跟委員稍微說明一下有關充電樁的主管機關這個在行政院已經綠定好相關的主管機關不是在交通部不是嘛我也認為是經濟部啊所以但是經濟部剛剛講他們只管電力嘛他們不管場域嘛這或許他們來的不是真正主管因為他每一個東西設電的時候他有相關的規範他還是要去會同去看我告訴市長就是沒有今天我才在這邊質詢啊 |
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就是沒有不然特斯拉這種國際的企業有可能不遵守我們國家的規範在那邊亂設一通嗎所以我剛才就講因為這個也是一個長期以來我們整個行政院在推動我們基建我們鼓勵要多設充電樁但是我們一定也要確保我們設置快充站我們要有一個明確的一個設置的辦法就類似停車場法它不一定要像停車場法一樣但是必須要參考那這部分後續是不是可以請經濟部 |
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針對快充站這樣子的一個行業他所要使用的場域去做一個比如說他的車格的限制啊規範等等的你要交通部組織還是經濟部 |
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沒有錯我們分工的部分這個行政院現在是指定由經濟部負責但是因為充電樁的佈置的部分這個還是交通部主責所以這個部分最主要還是車子要實際可以開進去的那個不是我們經濟部主責問題是現在那邊一片空地交通部怎麼管得到那片空地 |
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我報告一下其實委員所指的部分就是說因應這個電動化未來會有商業營業用的充電站區這樣子的設置這個充電站區的設置基本上就跟以前的加油站的設置或是未來因應清冷會有加清站的設置其實都是相同的一個道理 |
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那這個站區的一個這個設置的部分當然如果靠入口一定會考慮到出入口就是現在我們進出加油站這個這個加油現在加油站是用導視的部分那我未來要像這種充電站的話可能就是這個車輛用排列的這個方式那這個部分的話我想經濟部留言組這邊可以待會去看是不是說針對充電站區的設置需不需要一個專責的這個規定他們可以來做一個這個考量 |
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672.06 |
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或許今天來的沒有辦法決定啦副組長可能沒辦法代替經濟部來決定但是就後續請交通部跟經濟部回去這個東西要解決一下我們要廣設基礎設施但是我們要確保這些基礎設施它是至少它不要影響到像剛剛講的我們人行道人行的通行的問題包括以後設置的場域你的土地管制或是說你如果說已經是在建築法管制到的一些空地等等的 |
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672.56 |
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689.777 |
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他哪些地方可以設哪些地方不能設設的情況要有哪些車格的限制等等的我都希望經濟部未來有一個明確的規範不要說我們一面在推廣的時候但是卻又影響到其他的外部消費市要由我們全民行人來做承擔了好不好以上再麻煩我們的市長跟我們經濟部的長官謝謝 |