| IVOD_ID |
158775 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158775 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T12:20:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T12:28:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb58b4108eaba3dab910a56fd3a12bc29fbbe734c898429ef19afa45173602f404955ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:20:14 - 12:28:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣糖業股份有限公司、台灣中油股份有限公司。(詢答)
【1月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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麻煩請經營部長 謝謝請郭部長 |
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部長好 因為您上任之後短短的幾個月 三個次長都陸陸續續要退休嘛有的是已經退休 像林全仁 陳振祺 接下來連錦璋都要退休那我早上看到您回答其他委員的說法是說都是立法院給的壓力太大了 所以他們退休嘛那為什麼立法院就只有給他們壓力 其他的部為什麼都沒有這個問題 |
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因為他還沒有到達退休年齡所以是只要其他部的次長有到達退休年齡那因為承受不了大院給的壓力所以就會退休不一定啦我的意思是說他到達退休年齡他可以選擇未來是不是繼續在這個環境裡面去努力或者他可以選擇他的第二村那他為什麼不願意留在這個地方努力因為大院給的壓力太大 |
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所以都是立法委員的問題我沒有說是立法委員的問題你說是立法委員給壓力啊 |
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我是說這個環境給我們的壓力環境給你們壓力但是環境壓力然後走的都是次長我是覺得部長你應該思考一下因為這個次長他的次我第一任次長是借領退了這個跟我有沒有接這個是沒有關係的是那另外兩個第二個也是啊他本來也要在520就退了是我把他留下來因為我剛到這個 |
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第三個連市長他非常優秀他也做了但他身體開始有一些因為這個狀況為什麼會被拿來討論這是很罕見非常罕見之前我問行政秘書長的時候他說他做公務員這麼久也沒有看過這樣的狀況 |
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就是一個部長上任幾個月,下面全部都退休我想這個就是會引起人的關注,就是無巧不成書嘛對阿,這個很巧啦你可能覺得自己很棒,跟你沒問題,所以說是立法委員壓力很大我覺得人才的流失其實對國家都是損失啦如果說您可以多盡一分心力,說不定這些人才可以留住,好不好 |
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然後接下來跟你問一些不同的議題啦像因為我們早上也有看到別的委員有跟你請教啦就說中鋼現在配合經濟部的政策投資了台智電嘛或是台智能啦講法不一樣那部長您的說法是說如果你覺得中鋼沒有跟工會談好的話你就會請中鋼退出是這個意思嗎我不知道有沒有聽錯 |
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沒有錯我的意思就是說如果他沒有得到工會的支持沒有得到同仁的支持那他硬來投資我覺得也沒有那個力量但是代表說經濟部對於中鋼是有影響力的嘛沒有沒有影響力你怎麼會叫他退就退一定是有影響力他才會退啊NO |
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不是這樣子那你怎麼叫他對我們是建議他你建議他我沒有命令他我是建議他你建議他他可以不理你就對但是我們來看一下中鋼的股權的結構好不好經濟部在中鋼裡面就佔了大概20%嘛 |
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實際上是最大關股是有影響力的但我們今天在這邊提醒部長是說經濟部在做任何的決策的時候其實都會影響到小股東小股東是多少人小股東是100多萬人 |
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所以他不是只有要配合經濟部的政策的問題啊而是說你也要兼顧到一百多萬小股東的權益啊是 完全同意這個委員的指教啊對 所以如果說部長您的意思是你可以建議他那我相信你建議他因為你又是他的最大股幾乎就是可以做這個決策啦 |
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但是他還要考慮其他80%的股東啊一定是你們可以你如果講說你沒辦法影響我就聽不下去了啊現在連董事長都是官派的你影響不了我們只有兩席是官派的兩席我們只有兩席我們沒有辦法影響他我們只能建議他我覺得大家不會相信你的說法其實你是可以 |
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可以叫他做這個事嗎然後再來我跟您請教一下為什麼每一次配合經濟部政策都是中鋼啊之前是中鋼要配合然後去投資那個星達海基後來賠了64億然後現在中鋼又要去處理這個做一個那個購電平台台灣難道沒有其他的有賺錢的國營事業可以做這個事嗎為什麼都是中鋼啊 |
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這個是因為他有綠電需求中鋼本人那其他的其他大企業有沒有綠電需求有他們是股東對所以意思是說因為中鋼有綠電需求所以你乾脆你就乾脆就上下游整合你來做這個綠電的是這個意思嗎是的是喔那沒有其他條件喔沒有符合其他條件企業只有中鋼可以 |
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其他的有綠電需求我們都歡迎他加入啊那再跟你請教一下因為早上我有看到你提到那個輝達要在台灣設廠嘛那經濟部幫他找土地嗎沒有沒有沒有他們自己找土地所以經濟部有要協助嗎經濟部只是幫助他們水電人然後土地他自己找 |
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他說他要自己找那他找哪個地你再去找那個地的水跟電是不是我們大概基本上啊在整個在規劃的過程裡面 |
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我們每一個縣市都會有充分的水跟電所以我們在這個桃竹苗大溪谷跟我們南方大溪谷嘉南高坪通通是完整的這個供給給他們水跟電所以他可以就這一部分來所以你有確定他不管選擇台灣的哪個縣市我們的電是絕對無虞的 |
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我們也不會說像以前好像台電講的如果哪個縣市沒有辦法自己供電的話就不發展那個產業這個可能都是大家在溝通上面有一點誤解怎麼都是大家有問題不是 大家在溝通上面有誤解那所以實際上是怎樣實際上就是滿足所有的所有的 反正只要產業落腳在哪個縣市我們都會滿足就對 是這個意思是的那所以 |
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部長就是確定但是你不知道哪裡但我是希望部長如果你有土地建議的話可以考慮一下我們北部因為我們剛剛講到興達海基後來有一個它虧損的原因部長您有提到因為它在興達漁港吃水不夠可是那個時候為什麼會選擇在興達漁港難道你要選擇做風電的時候你不會去研究它的水有多深嗎 |
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所以這是不是高雄市政府當時其實非常歡迎新大海基過去不是 那個時候的環境是可以的但是現在的大型的風電改變太多了不是啦 那你投資你不會去評估說未來的環境有沒有可能改變你就直接投資幾十億下去喔 |
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這個投資也太草率了吧這個也是我們應該檢討的部分為什麼他們會這麼草率所以那時候是不是高雄市政府要求他去所以他們就必須要去我真的不太相信中鋼的投資有這麼短淺啊 |
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我真的不相信啦而且那個東西不是很難的評估嘛這個漁港到底池水多深可不可以做這個產業怎麼可能會評估不了因為這個是一個新的產業啦所以他的這個變化大概大家在經驗的這個領域裡面大概比較缺乏那學費也交太多了吧是是是謝謝委員的指導謝謝 |