| IVOD_ID |
158775 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158775 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T12:20:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T12:28:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb58b4108eaba3dab910a56fd3a12bc29fbbe734c898429ef19afa45173602f404955ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:20:14 - 12:28:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣糖業股份有限公司、台灣中油股份有限公司。(詢答)
【1月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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麻煩請經營部長 謝謝請郭部長 |
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部長好 因為您上任之後短短的幾個月 三個次長都陸陸續續要退休嘛有的是已經退休 像林全仁 陳振祺 接下來連錦璋都要退休那我早上看到您回答其他委員的說法是說都是立法院給的壓力太大了 所以他們退休嘛那為什麼立法院就只有給他們壓力 其他的部為什麼都沒有這個問題 |
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因為他還沒有到達退休年齡所以是只要其他部的次長有到達退休年齡那因為承受不了大院給的壓力所以就會退休不一定啦我的意思是說他到達退休年齡他可以選擇未來是不是繼續在這個環境裡面去努力或者他可以選擇他的第二村那他為什麼不願意留在這個地方努力因為大院給的壓力太大 |
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所以都是立法委員的問題我沒有說是立法委員的問題你說是立法委員給壓力啊 |
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我是說這個環境給我們的壓力環境給你們壓力但是環境壓力然後走的都是次長我是覺得部長你應該思考一下因為這個次長他的次我第一任次長是借領退了這個跟我有沒有接這個是沒有關係的是那另外兩個第二個也是啊他本來也要在520就退了是我把他留下來因為我剛到這個 |
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第三個連市長他非常優秀他也做了但他身體開始有一些因為這個狀況為什麼會被拿來討論這是很罕見非常罕見之前我問行政秘書長的時候他說他做公務員這麼久也沒有看過這樣的狀況 |
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就是一個部長上任幾個月,下面全部都退休我想這個就是會引起人的關注,就是無巧不成書嘛對阿,這個很巧啦你可能覺得自己很棒,跟你沒問題,所以說是立法委員壓力很大我覺得人才的流失其實對國家都是損失啦如果說您可以多盡一分心力,說不定這些人才可以留住,好不好 |
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然後接下來跟你問一些不同的議題啦像因為我們早上也有看到別的委員有跟你請教啦就說中鋼現在配合經濟部的政策投資了台智電嘛或是台智能啦講法不一樣那部長您的說法是說如果你覺得中鋼沒有跟工會談好的話你就會請中鋼退出是這個意思嗎我不知道有沒有聽錯 |
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沒有錯我的意思就是說如果他沒有得到工會的支持沒有得到同仁的支持那他硬來投資我覺得也沒有那個力量但是代表說經濟部對於中鋼是有影響力的嘛沒有沒有影響力你怎麼會叫他退就退一定是有影響力他才會退啊NO |
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不是這樣子那你怎麼叫他對我們是建議他你建議他我沒有命令他我是建議他你建議他他可以不理你就對但是我們來看一下中鋼的股權的結構好不好經濟部在中鋼裡面就佔了大概20%嘛 |
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實際上是最大關股是有影響力的但我們今天在這邊提醒部長是說經濟部在做任何的決策的時候其實都會影響到小股東小股東是多少人小股東是100多萬人 |
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所以他不是只有要配合經濟部的政策的問題啊而是說你也要兼顧到一百多萬小股東的權益啊是 完全同意這個委員的指教啊對 所以如果說部長您的意思是你可以建議他那我相信你建議他因為你又是他的最大股幾乎就是可以做這個決策啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
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但是他還要考慮其他80%的股東啊一定是你們可以你如果講說你沒辦法影響我就聽不下去了啊現在連董事長都是官派的你影響不了我們只有兩席是官派的兩席我們只有兩席我們沒有辦法影響他我們只能建議他我覺得大家不會相信你的說法其實你是可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
306.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
可以叫他做這個事嗎然後再來我跟您請教一下為什麼每一次配合經濟部政策都是中鋼啊之前是中鋼要配合然後去投資那個星達海基後來賠了64億然後現在中鋼又要去處理這個做一個那個購電平台台灣難道沒有其他的有賺錢的國營事業可以做這個事嗎為什麼都是中鋼啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
308.434 |
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330.646 |
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這個是因為他有綠電需求中鋼本人那其他的其他大企業有沒有綠電需求有他們是股東對所以意思是說因為中鋼有綠電需求所以你乾脆你就乾脆就上下游整合你來做這個綠電的是這個意思嗎是的是喔那沒有其他條件喔沒有符合其他條件企業只有中鋼可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
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其他的有綠電需求我們都歡迎他加入啊那再跟你請教一下因為早上我有看到你提到那個輝達要在台灣設廠嘛那經濟部幫他找土地嗎沒有沒有沒有他們自己找土地所以經濟部有要協助嗎經濟部只是幫助他們水電人然後土地他自己找 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
355.779 |
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365.728 |
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他說他要自己找那他找哪個地你再去找那個地的水跟電是不是我們大概基本上啊在整個在規劃的過程裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
368.206 |
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我們每一個縣市都會有充分的水跟電所以我們在這個桃竹苗大溪谷跟我們南方大溪谷嘉南高坪通通是完整的這個供給給他們水跟電所以他可以就這一部分來所以你有確定他不管選擇台灣的哪個縣市我們的電是絕對無虞的 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
393.972 |
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我們也不會說像以前好像台電講的如果哪個縣市沒有辦法自己供電的話就不發展那個產業這個可能都是大家在溝通上面有一點誤解怎麼都是大家有問題不是 大家在溝通上面有誤解那所以實際上是怎樣實際上就是滿足所有的所有的 反正只要產業落腳在哪個縣市我們都會滿足就對 是這個意思是的那所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
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部長就是確定但是你不知道哪裡但我是希望部長如果你有土地建議的話可以考慮一下我們北部因為我們剛剛講到興達海基後來有一個它虧損的原因部長您有提到因為它在興達漁港吃水不夠可是那個時候為什麼會選擇在興達漁港難道你要選擇做風電的時候你不會去研究它的水有多深嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
443.67 |
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461.542 |
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所以這是不是高雄市政府當時其實非常歡迎新大海基過去不是 那個時候的環境是可以的但是現在的大型的風電改變太多了不是啦 那你投資你不會去評估說未來的環境有沒有可能改變你就直接投資幾十億下去喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
462.382 |
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475.158 |
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這個投資也太草率了吧這個也是我們應該檢討的部分為什麼他們會這麼草率所以那時候是不是高雄市政府要求他去所以他們就必須要去我真的不太相信中鋼的投資有這麼短淺啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
476.738 |
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499.392 |
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我真的不相信啦而且那個東西不是很難的評估嘛這個漁港到底池水多深可不可以做這個產業怎麼可能會評估不了因為這個是一個新的產業啦所以他的這個變化大概大家在經驗的這個領域裡面大概比較缺乏那學費也交太多了吧是是是謝謝委員的指導謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-08T12:20:14.029000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2025-01-08T12:20:14.209000+08:00 |
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麻煩請經濟部長，謝謝。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2025-01-08T12:20:14.209000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2025-01-08T12:20:14.349000+08:00 |
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請郭部長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2025-01-08T12:20:14.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2025-01-08T12:20:41.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
委員好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2025-01-08T12:20:41.736000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2025-01-08T12:20:42.017000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2025-01-08T12:20:42.617000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2025-01-08T12:20:52.684000+08:00 |
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因為您上任之後，短短的幾個月，三個次長都陸陸續續要退休，有的是已經退休，像林全能、陳正祺，接下來連錦漳都要退休。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2025-01-08T12:20:53.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2025-01-08T12:20:59.689000+08:00 |
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我早上看到您回答其他委員的說法是，都是立法院給的壓力太大了，所以他們退休。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:00.830000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:04.812000+08:00 |
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那為什麼立法院就只有給他們壓力，其他的部都沒有這個問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:06.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:09.435000+08:00 |
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因為他們還沒到達退休年齡。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:09.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:16.799000+08:00 |
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所以只要其他部的次長有到達退休年齡，因為承受不了「大院」給的壓力，所以就會退休。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:16.799000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:17.799000+08:00 |
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你是這個意思嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:17.179000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:17.939000+08:00 |
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這也不一定啦！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:18.600000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T12:21:29.805000+08:00 |
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我的意思是說，他到達退休年齡，可以選擇未來是不是要繼續在這個環境裡面努力，或者是可以選擇他的第二春。 |
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0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:30.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:32.767000+08:00 |
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那他為什麼不願意留在這個地方努力呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:33.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:34.328000+08:00 |
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因為「大院」給的壓力太大了嘛！ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:34.888000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:38.073000+08:00 |
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所以都是立法委員的問題，部長沒問題？ |
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0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:38.073000+08:00 |
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2025-01-08T12:21:40.316000+08:00 |
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抱歉，委員，我沒有說是立法委員的問題。 |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2025-01-08T12:21:40.316000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:41.458000+08:00 |
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你說是立法委員給的壓力啊！ |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:44.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:46.402000+08:00 |
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我是說這個環境給我們的壓力。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:46.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:47.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
環境給你們壓力？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:47.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:48.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
對，那因為…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:47.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:50.804000+08:00 |
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但是環境壓力走的都是次長！ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:50.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2025-01-08T12:21:53.805000+08:00 |
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我是覺得部長你應該思考一下…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2025-01-08T12:21:55.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:01.028000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我的第一任次長是屆齡退休，跟我有沒有接這個工作是沒有關係的。 |
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0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:01.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:02.249000+08:00 |
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另外兩個呢？ |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:02.249000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:03.710000+08:00 |
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第二個也是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:04.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:22.415000+08:00 |
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他本來520就要退，是我把他留下來，因為我剛到經濟部；第三個是連次長，他非常優秀，他也做了，但他身體開始有一些…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:23.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:35.837000+08:00 |
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這個狀況會被拿來討論是因為非常罕見，之前我問行政院秘書長的時候，他說他做公務人員這麼久，也沒有看過這樣的狀況，就是一個部長上任幾個月，下面全部都退休。 |
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0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:35.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:36.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
非常罕見啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:36.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:37.938000+08:00 |
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我想這個就是…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:37.938000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:39.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
沒關係啦！部長…… |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:39.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:40.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
為什麼會引起委員的關注？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:40.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:43.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
就是無巧不成書嘛，這串聯線啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:43.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:43.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
真的很巧啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:45.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:50.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
部長，沒關係，你可能覺得自己很棒，根本沒問題，所以就是立法委員給的壓力很大啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.676 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:50.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:51.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我沒有覺得自己很棒，我需要他們的協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.176 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:51.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2025-01-08T12:22:57.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
人才的流失其實對國家都是損失，如果您可以多盡一份心力，說不定這些人才可以留住。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2025-01-08T12:22:59.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:12.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
接下來要跟您問一些不同的議題，因為我們早上也有看到別的委員跟您請教，就是中鋼現在配合經濟部政策投資了台智電，或者說是台智能，講法不一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:12.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:21.983000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
部長的說法是，如果中鋼沒有跟工會談好的話，你就會請中鋼退出。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:22.504000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:22.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
是這個意思嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:22.844000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:23.445000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
我不知道有沒有聽錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:24.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:32.774000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
沒有錯，我的意思就是，如果它沒有得到工會的支持、沒有得到同仁的支持，硬來投資我覺得也沒有那個必要。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:33.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:36.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
代表經濟部對於中鋼是有影響力的嘛！沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:37.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:38.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
沒有影響力的話，怎麼會你叫它退，它就退？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:39.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:41.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
一定是有影響力，它才會退啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:41.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:42.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
No !不是這樣子！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:43.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:43.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
那你怎麼叫它退？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:44.065000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:45.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我們是建議它。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:45.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:46.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
你建議它？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:46.628000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:48.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
對，我沒有命令它喔，我是建議它。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:48.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2025-01-08T12:23:50.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
你建議它，它可以不理你就對了？嗯…… |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2025-01-08T12:23:50.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:02.376000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
我們來看一下中鋼的股權結構，經濟部在中鋼占了大約20%，實際上是最大官股、最有影響力的。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:03.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:10.866000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我們今天要提醒部長的是，經濟部在做任何決策的時候，其實都會影響到小股東，而小股東是多少人呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:11.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:11.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
小股東是一百多萬人！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:13.448000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:20.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
所以它不是只有要配合經濟部政策的問題，而是你也要兼顧到一百多萬小股東的權益…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:21.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:24.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
是，我完全同意委員的指教。 |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:24.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:33.178000+08:00 |
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所以如果部長的意思是你可以建議它，那我相信你建議它時，因為你是它最大的股東，所以幾乎就是可以做這個決策了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:33.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:36.359000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
但是它要考慮其他80%的股東啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:37.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:41.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
沒有、沒有，你們一定可以……你如果說你沒辦法影響，我就聽不下去了！欸！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:42.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:44.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
現在中鋼連董事長都是官派的，你怎麼影響不了？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:45.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:53.826000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我們只有2席是官派的，我們沒有辦法影響它，我們只能建議它。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:54.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2025-01-08T12:24:58.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
如果說經濟部影響不了中鋼，我覺得大家不會相信你的說法，其實你是可以叫它做這個事的嘛！沒有！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.585 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2025-01-08T12:24:59.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:04.514000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
我再跟你請教一下，為什麼每次配合經濟部政策的都是中鋼？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:05.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:20.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
之前是中鋼配合投資興達海基，後來賠了64億元，現在中鋼又要去做一個購電平臺，臺灣難道沒有其他有賺錢的國營事業可以做這個事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:20.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:20.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
為什麼都是中鋼？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:22.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:24.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
這是因為它有綠電需求。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:24.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:25.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
中鋼本身？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:25.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:28.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
那其他大企業有沒有綠電需求？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:28.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:32.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
有，他們都是股東。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:32.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:39.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
所以意思是說，因為中鋼有綠電需求，所以乾脆上下游整合，由它來做這個平臺，是這樣的意思嗎？是的。是哦？嗯。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:41.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:44.626000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
沒有其他企業符合條件，只有中鋼可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:45.778000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:48.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
其他有綠電需求的，我們都歡迎他們加入啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:50.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:55.964000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
再跟您請教一下，因為早上我看到你提到輝達要在臺灣設廠，經濟部要幫它找土地，那請問…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.838 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:57.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:57.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
沒有、沒有。沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2025-01-08T12:25:57.925000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2025-01-08T12:25:59.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
是他們自己找土地。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:00.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2025-01-08T12:26:01.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
經濟部有要協助嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:01.627000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2025-01-08T12:26:06.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
經濟部只是幫助他們水、電、人。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:07.991000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2025-01-08T12:26:08.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
土地它自己找？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:10.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2025-01-08T12:26:10.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
它說它要自己找。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:11.461000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2025-01-08T12:26:14.643000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
看它找哪塊地，你再去找那塊地的水跟電，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:16.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2025-01-08T12:26:41.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
基本上在規劃的過程裡面，我們每一個縣市都會有充分的水跟電，在桃竹苗大矽谷跟大南方新矽谷（嘉、南、高、屏）統統是完整供給他們水跟電，所以它可以就這一部分來…… |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:41.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2025-01-08T12:26:46.652000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
所以你有確定它不管選擇臺灣的哪一個縣市，我們的電是絕對無虞的？對！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:47.972000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2025-01-08T12:26:55.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
我們也不會說像以前好像台電講的，如果哪個縣市沒有辦法自己供電的話，就不發展那個產業。 |
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0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:55.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2025-01-08T12:26:56.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
不會像台電…… |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:55.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2025-01-08T12:26:57.915000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
報告委員，這個可能都是大家在溝通上面有一點誤解。 |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2025-01-08T12:26:58.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:00.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
怎麼都是大家有問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:00.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:03.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
不是，是大家在溝通上面有誤解。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:03.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:05.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
所以實際上是怎樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:05.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:06.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
實際上就是滿足所有要來臺灣投資的業者。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:07.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:08.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
反正只要產業落腳在哪個縣市，我們都會滿足就對了？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:08.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:08.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
是這個意思？是的！ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:08.417000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:17.715000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
好、好，所以部長就是確定，但你不知道是哪個縣市。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:18.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:21.418000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
我是希望部長如果有土地建議的話，可以考慮一下我們北部。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:22.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:32.086000+08:00 |
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因為我們剛才講到興達海基，後來有一個它虧損的原因，部長也有提到，因為它在興達漁港吃水不夠，可是當初為什麼會選在興達漁港？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:32.927000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:36.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
難道你要選擇做風電的時候，不會去研究它的吃水有多深嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:37.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:41.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
所以這是不是高雄市政府當時其實非常歡迎興達海基過去？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:41.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:47.897000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
不是，那個時候的環境是可以的，但是現在的大型風電改變太多了。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:48.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:48.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
不是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:48.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:55.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
投資時不會評估未來環境有沒有可能改變，就直接投資幾十億下去喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:56.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2025-01-08T12:27:57.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
這個投資也太草率了吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2025-01-08T12:27:57.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:01.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
這也是我們應該要檢討的部分：為什麼他們會這麼草率？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:01.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:05.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
那個時候是不是高雄市政府要求它去，所以他們就必須要去？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:05.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:09.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
我真的不太相信中鋼的投資有這麼短淺啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:10.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:11.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
我真的不相信啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:11.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:13.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
而且那個東西不是很難評估嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:14.380000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:19.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
那個漁港到底吃水多深、可不可以做這個產業，怎麼可能評估不了？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:20.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:29.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
因為這是一個新的產業，所以它的變化在大家的經驗領域裡面比較缺少。是喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:29.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:31.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
那這個學費也交太多了吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:31.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:33.392000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
是、是、是，謝謝委員的指導。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:33.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:45.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
部長，桃園有機場、港口、水庫，還有大潭電廠，龍科三期也正在開發，所以請部長也要看看我們桃園，很適合！ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:46.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:49.049143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
輝達、台積電，我們都歡迎。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
郭部長智輝 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:49.349143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:52.777714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
張市長也有垂詢過這件事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:53.077714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2025-01-08T12:28:54.220571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
謝謝、謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2025-01-08T12:28:54.520571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2025-01-08T12:29:16.806286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
登記發言委員除不在場者外，其餘均已發言完畢，詢答結束；委員羅智強、陳超明、翁曉玲所提書面質詢列入紀錄，刊登公報；書面質詢及未及答復部分，請相關單位於1週內以書面答復並副知本會。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0 |