| IVOD_ID |
158774 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158774 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
22 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T12:11:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T12:20:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb5824db889768ad757da56fd3a12bc29fbbe734c898429ef19a268cb4a8a8bd5f905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:11:19 - 12:20:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第22次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於經濟部主管：經濟作業基金、水資源作業基金、經濟特別收入基金、核能發電後端營運基金。(詢答)
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣糖業股份有限公司、台灣中油股份有限公司。(詢答)
【1月8日及9日兩天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝主席那我們是有請經濟部部長請郭部長那能源署署長也一樣請游署長好 |
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來 部長部長因為我們現在政策有在講這個節能那事實上我也看到了說最近在討論這個節能也把它分為三個階段那第一個階段是建立ASCO的一個執行模式然後第二階段公營事業的導入第三階段才要擴散至民營事業那我現在想要請教部長我們現在要建立ASCO的一個執行模式那也就是說 |
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這個Xcode它大概就是一個租賃的一個概念那未來就是說我們使用了可能一些設備上的更新那用節能的效力來設算說我們要怎麼跟這個提供設備的廠商它的價格所以它是一個比較新的一個概念那我要 |
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問的就是說我們現在要建立這樣的一個exco的一個執行模式的話那我們是不是有足夠的數據足以支撐我們到底未來節能的效益是多少因為這一個話他是強調的他是數據的真實性假如數據勒是有問題的或者是這個數據是錯誤的就會造成我們之後跟這些廠商他們的價格的計算上就會有落差 |
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那這樣的話就會讓我們這個節能的一個這樣的一個方向真的就會糟蹋了所以部長我現在想要請教的就是說那我們現在到底是由誰來做價格的節能效率的擬定 |
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好 這個部長可以說明一下嗎是 報告員這個部分呢我們會先建立這個量測驗證的這個制度那麼先做出一個標準就好像我們在檢查身體一樣去檢查一個公司去檢查一個宿業那它哪個地方有問題那必須要這個產生的這個能量用的能量比較多產生的碳比較多的地方我們要幫助它減碳 |
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然後我們大概發三個方向第一個就是檢查它的照明第二個檢查它的空調的能耗再來就是它的動力的能耗包括照明空調跟動力這個都是高耗電耗電就等於會增加碳然後我們會有建議就是說在換的過程裡面有建議一些廠商這些廠商是經過我們標準局選定的它是最有能效的 |
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然後這個價格是公告在上面的就是我們會公告然後讓他們自己選項我們不是只有一家廠商我們可能很多的家廠商在上面給這個做exco的公司他就可以選擇因為我們如果能夠集中幾個廠牌它因為數量大它的成本就可以降低這個是我們的目的所以我們先把標準建立先把標準建立然後再去衡量它然後再建議它怎麼改 |
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然後在改的時候我們又幫助他可以買到比較成本低的這個效果高的這些商品好就是說部長大概我可以理解你剛剛講的一個方式但是我們在做EXCO射算的時候究竟我們是用我們這間辦公室整體的耗電 |
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那跟我用ASCO我把它做這些燈具啦空調的改換之後然後耗電然後去做這樣的比落差的比對還是用單一產品這支電費 |
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這個電話它的耗電是怎樣未來我把它換成其他的東西它的耗電是怎樣是單一產品的比較後再把它放大然後再精算還是它是用整個的數據的精算這個不知道喔在衡量的時候在檢測的時候應該就是整個空間所產生的這些能耗通通計算 |
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那如果折舊的部分呢因為這個電器如果用久了它的耗損率會提高耗損率提高自然它就相對更加耗能了所以我們建議它越快換越好 |
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這個數據很重要我不希望說我們這樣一個好的一個方向那我們這個可以想像未來政府也會投入不少是因為要做EXCO然後等於是很多設備的更換那我不希望在這個更換的過程中造成不必要的浪費好不好是的好那我再問第二個是不是請我們水利署那能源署可以先請賴署長賴署長 |
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來 部長跟署長我現在比較在意我們今年度要執行外省鼎州的固殺那我們的計畫是怎樣 今年度外省鼎州的部分過去跟公司協力合作的有成效那我們今年除了延續過去公司協力在做這些所謂的柯架在做柔性的工法之外那我也請同仁去研究是不是跟我們柯農 |
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來大家來討論一下時間因為比較少我直接跟你講一些我在地方看到的因為外山頂洲我們之前在做這些公司協力然後做這一些用蚵棚去做固砂對不對前幾年沒有蜂胎啦今年就蜂胎了看起來這一個蜂胎 |
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過去我們做的那一些,那些客家去那邊動海浪的,破壞的很多所以可以基本上那個大自然的力量就這麼強所以我認為說我們在如果沒有一些變通我們一樣是每年去這些公司協力,然後這些客家去那邊用,反不及急啦 |
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外産頂桌這個消失的速度真的是非常的快那一旦外産頂桌消失了後裡面的那些養科的產業每年40億的產值也會跟著全軍覆沒所以外産頂桌是很重要的那我們現在實施固殺計畫到目前已經第三年了前兩年效果有出來因為前兩年沒有紅胎那今年剛才紅胎哇馬上就面臨這兩年的努力被破壞蠻多的所以我們現在要思考的 |
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署長我還是具體講,我從之前就跟你們說,我們可能要用抽砂要用抽砂,有的塞旁邊的沙,抽去往沙頂丟,然後在外山頂周的中間製造一個中央山脈就是在那裏要做一個高牆,你還硬打過,這個山脈把他擋住,不要讓他硬抓,把沙都戳下來 |
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就是說一定要有一個管的地方,不然它這樣在裡面,它就是一直刷一直流下去然後就一直流到東石,然後就會變成整個東石是內陸化東石的外海內陸化,那就是現在我們在講我們擔心的未來整個這個氧化的產業會消滅 |
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跟委員報告我們現在做的方向就是委員所說的我們現在還沒有抽殺我們還沒有再抽殺過去公司協力這個是基本的未來複合性的加強性的抽殺的這個部分一定要做這個效果才會好但是這個要跟地方大家一起來溝通沒問題沒問題該溝通我一定會協助溝通那我想這個應該要來做因為公司協力還是要繼續嘛那是一個在海岸下的一個基礎的東西 |
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但是我們現在歡樂的是因為黑硬來一直打這個外産地都一直打進來嘛所以我們一定要在動的,在黑硬打動在這裡不要讓那個力量繼續延伸然後把整個沙都往內陸帶進來好不好我覺得我們這一些工法上要怎麼做是有效率的我們就要緊貼著不能再做光旺的一個態度了好不好謝謝 |