| IVOD_ID |
158768 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158768 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
19 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-08T11:25:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-08T11:38:07+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/740a0dd0b202cb58eb4eec04e5a703f19b82b4e80112db25eefebb33f5927238bb479112f1783c0c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:25:03 - 11:38:07 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第19次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長陳世凱、國家發展委員會、環境部、經濟部及國家科學及技術委員會就「陸海空交通運輸業因應凈零排放轉型之改善措施」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 請陳次長請陳次長 |
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市長早安市長今天想跟你討論一下這個我們公車全面電動化的這個議題我看了一下我們這個台灣2050的淨零碳排路徑跟策略規劃12項關鍵戰略計畫之七運具電動化及無碳化這個報告裡面 |
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我們詳細訂了電動市區公車它的普及率2023年我們當時是12.5所以我們希望在2023年年底達到21然後2025年達到35那現在已經2025年了市長你知道現在的電動市區公車的普及率是多少嗎 |
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這部分我跟委員報告一下目前大概就是說113年底的一個市區公車那個電動市區公車的這個總數的部分市區公車加上少數大概將近30輛的這個公務客運的部分的話現在實際上路運行的大概這個1900多輛大概將近這個2000輛那目前去年這個公務總局已經核定給這個地方政府大概也將近2000輛的一個這個車 |
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如果說以這個商路這個運行然後再加上合併中在這個採購打造的這個部分的話大概將近這個3000輛的一個這個車這個大概是去年的部分那今年要達到35%的部分的話那今年公務總局會在這個按照計畫來這個合併 |
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那我印象中今年至少會核定1600輛的一個這個東西給各地方政府去分配給相關的市區跟業者來做採購跟這一個換薪好所以換言之到本席今天講話的時候我們核定了多少輛實際在運行有多少輛 |
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實際運行將近2000輛合併的部分將近1400多輛明年在今年2025年達到4600輛佔普及率35%有沒有問題 |
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我們會朝這個目標來做努力因為我跟委員報告一下現在世家客運業者的產能沒有問題那因為市區客運主體的部分是地方政府在這個那我們這個錢分配給地方政府那現在也跟地方政府就是說要趕快這個他們所轄的客運業者按照車領趕快核定來做貸款所以這中間有一個緩解我們必須要跟地方政府來做一個合作 |
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所以到去年年底我們的目標是達成的 |
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是我目標應該是我如果沒記錯應該是2125是嗎25是25那我們大概領牌的跟核定的大概有剛才講到大概約3300輛所以他的那個普及率大概到31.5的樣子所以你們是所以如果再放眼2025我覺得我們應該可以逐步來達成好 |
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那各縣市我們回到各縣市的比例這個六都當中高雄最高是35.8對不對然後六都的像台中就剩下18桃園就剩下3.4那還有幾個六都以外的縣市是0一台都沒有嗎 |
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那在分配上面這些包括比例很低的六都比例很低或者公車營業數量幾乎掛零的交通部的看法是什麼 |
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這邊跟委員報告一下大概就是說確實目前電動公車的數量大概主要集中在六都那最主要就是說六都的市區科運路線跟數量會比較多那這個除了六都之外大概這個市區公車比較多那個數量跟路線數比較多大概就是基隆的那部分那像有一些我舉個例子譬如說像台東花蓮它本身的市區科運沒關係我就列出幾個掛領譬如新竹市 |
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吉隆市這兩個都零嘛對那目前公務總局在核定給地方政府都優先以這些形式來做這個核定這個而且核了那核了之後目前就是在催促地方政府督促這些客運業者趕快去採購然後這個領牌商好那你核給他到今天譬如說以2024好了2024你有核給他嗎 |
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他2024年已經過完了嘛 他還是零 對不對是這樣嗎 |
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跟這個我們報告就是說核熱之後那這個坑業者他必須要去做採購那採購車輛有一定的這個打造的這個期間但是在公務局的這個補助要點裡面有限定這個核定完之後多少期間要這個領排所以目前還在這個期間裡面後續這個公總大概每個月都會邀請地方政府來這個盤點大家執行的一個這個進度 |
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那這樣六都裡面比例很低,譬如說桃園跟新北3.4跟9.8就是你的看起來就目前超標就幾個靠高雄、台南、台北台北也沒有,台北21而已嘛你以25為基準的話,只有台南跟高雄是高的 |
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那其他甚至桃園只有3.4跟你現在講的2024年達到25這個差距還是很遠嗎那這些縣市是怎麼樣這個大概是這個領排實際在營運的部分那像新北跟桃園的部分的話大概就是去年這個核定他這些這個完成採購商務之後那個比例就會上來台中也是一樣台中也是18也是低於平均水準 |
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這裡頭顯現的是領牌啦 上路領牌那剛才有特別提到今年或即將在去年或是今年會合的 它的數量就會增加對 那我其實是這樣嘛 因為我是依照你這個嘛你這個2023年21% 2024年25% 2025年要35%這個是領牌還是還是你們已經合訂要補助的 |
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所以我還是在講領牌嘛我用這個數字合定跟領牌一起算因為我們合定他以後他就會去打造打造完了他就會領牌所以實際上路的不會低於你們列出來的目標嘛那可不可以把實際上路的目標也給我啦 |
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我們講電動公車我們是在講空污嘛我們的它的概念是這樣子嘛所以實際上路的才能解決空污嗎 |
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跟我們報告一下就是說這個35%的目標裡面的話因為這個有營運的有核定的那核定我們的規定最多不能超過9個月因為車輛要打造9個月一定要上路所以這個核定跟整個總數裡面核定大概會有一些數量是有9個月的時間差需要去採購車輛然後完成打造車輛沒關係你就給我一個你現在核定三個數字嘛你核定的 |
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然後呢實際運行的跟打造中的你要給我嗎再來搭配還有一個就是你的目標嘛我要講的意思就是說 |
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中央有中央的問題如果說我們今天因為我們沒有任何的強制力就我們面對你這個是2050淨零碳排的路徑這是中央政府施政的目標我們就是讓台灣空氣品質變好我們要淨零碳排嘛 |
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那靜電太白裡面有運一項一項的很多項目啦那我講的就是我先處理這個我們已經電動巴士我們搞很久了嘛電動公車那電動公車那麼久到底你今天跟你的目標的差距到底在哪裡啦我們台中也又倒一斤了 |
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這個電動巴士又倒一間去了那我要講的就是說你第一個如果是我們中央在補助或者在法規上面沒有強制力那我們就要想辦法去做好如何可以落實這個目標的法規跟預算但如果法規跟預算都沒有問題那我就要問嘛台中市、新北市、桃園市這三個市是在幹嘛 |
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市長要有一點責任 不能都沒責任你對於大家一起我們講過淨零碳排是不能遺漏任何一個人更不能遺漏任何一個城市嘛那你搞到剩下3.4我們台中還要10倍啦雖然你現在你講的你說到今年標準中央的標準是25啦要達到25%我們台中也要標準以下 |
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存這9.8到3.4到底是什麼情形嘛?到底是因為這個管理機構都不配合說我們這個管理機構空氣比較壞沒關係我們這裡的人肺比較健康所以我們這裡空氣比較壞不太好我們要有方法嘛不然這個又要罵了 每次都地方政府汙染都說中庸都大方的中庸啦這數據在這裡嘛 我要說的就是說 |
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你中央 如果說今天我們補助款就沒落去你們沒有核定給人家 說你中央都沒有給我補助還是說我們的法規就是一大堆問題中央沒有立定這個法 相關的法規所以我地方政府無所適從 沒有辦法遵守那中央就要檢討但如果我這些都做了 你地方政府數據出來還給我搞一個18 9.8 3.4 |
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這些縣市首長、縣市政府難道不需要出來講講話嗎我們每天在檢討台灣的空屋這些縣市首長不需要出來空屋團體也應該去找他們一下啊數字管理啊為什麼這些縣市首長不配合啊原因到底是什麼啊 |
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所以本席是站在我們要釐清問題啦事情不能大家瞎貨嘛到底是怎樣可以我們都有訂定我們的計畫裡面都有目標每一年要做到哪裡都很清楚啊到底為什麼有一些人他就可以這樣子你現在講數據欸好像剛剛你跟我講我是不知道你跟我說達標嘛好啦我就姑且相信達標啊達標我們以前檢討過程做到35.8捏 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
687.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
702.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
也有3.4%的這是什麼情形所以市長時間到了因為主席不好意思給他每次都耽擱太多時間本席希望你們好好檢討一下到底這些地方政府是怎樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
704.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
730.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
委員簡單回應一下有關這個電動車的推動的這樣的一個情形我們大概有責請公務局邀請地方政府來相關的去檢討那如何來加速這個地方來審議那另外一個有關這個各縣市的最後的領牌的情形這個我們也會請公務局必要時這個定期來公布相關的一個結果市長這個要加油一下這個不可以這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
731.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
750.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
這個有些才三點多,要靠過,如果平均達到那個標準,這個我覺得不合理啦大家如果都差一點點沒關係,有些人自由一點,但不能差距太遠嘛差距太遠,公民團體上街遊行說空汙不好,空汙不好每次都找那些特定那幾個人,這樣有利 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
752.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
774.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
所以大家數據管理我沒有任何意思我也沒有特別去強調哪一個縣市是哪一個黨我就拿數據出來講話大家理性一點來討論為什麼這些人不做他們到底有什麼問題什麼毛病為什麼不做如果是中央的我們要虛心檢討要趕快改進如果我中央錢也到了法規也到了你地方不做 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
775.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
781.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
不做就個人造業個人擔啊不能每次都找中央算帳這哪有道理好 謝謝 |